Qualcomm asserts eight-core mobile processors are 'dumb'

By Shawn Knight ยท 28 replies
Aug 2, 2013
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  1. Qualcomm has joined the likes of Nokia and Intel in raining on the proverbial multi-core processor parade. During a recent chat with Taiwan media, Qualcomm senior vice president Anand Chandrasekher said eight-core processors like the new chips recently announced are...

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  2. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,073   +219

    Lol really a good modem
  3. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,997   +1,317

    8 cores are rather overkill...I dont think 4 cores are, though, when it comes to more professional devices...
  4. Throwing spaghetti against the wall is an easy way to tell if is done cooking.
    SantistaUSA likes this.
  5. Fbarnett

    Fbarnett TS Booster Posts: 210   +30

    Hmm maybe they don't have a 8 core?
  6. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,040   +678

    Good for you Qualcomm. Don't pull a 180 on us please.
  7. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 2,473   +126

    The issues with the other cores beyond 2-cores is most of the software is geared for 1-core. Second core was good to you could do more things at the same time. I own 1, 2, 4 cords it's okay. But 8 cores would be overkill since nothing really going to use the extra cores.
  8. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    8 core CPUs are dumb for mobile devices. We dont even have many consumer 8 core CPUs...
  9. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 2,473   +126

    AMD Opteron 6000 is 16-core.. I don't need so many cores. Smartphone I just have 2 cores now that's all I need.
  10. avoidz

    avoidz TS Guru Posts: 460   +56

    Just another marketing gimmick to sell more devices to the mostly dumb masses.
  11. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    I would say it is marketed toward the non-technical crowd rather than "dumb".
  12. distantreality

    distantreality TS Enthusiast Posts: 58   +7

    I would be happy with 2 cores at 3ghz with 8 gigs of ram...
  13. I would be three-quarters happy with 3 cores at 2.66GHz, with 6.71 gigs of ram, but no mobo.
  14. Now one will ever need more than 640k

    maybe not now, but someday
  15. Eight cores is a great way to drain a battery pretty fast. If you can do 50% of what a 8 core can do with just 2 cores and have 50% more batery life, who need that much power on their cell phones?, it is not like you are gonna play crysis on them.
  16. distantreality

    distantreality TS Enthusiast Posts: 58   +7

    ok bill
  17. Bing311

    Bing311 TS Rookie

    Another stupid guy claiming another thing as stupid. Well,one day he is going to eat his words just like the other stupids claiming something as dumb. It is just a matter of time when either the hardware itself or the software can very efficiently utilize all cores available and the more, the better. It's just like when some stupid claims that we dont need another os when android was just starting out. Look where android is now.
  18. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,715   +3,696

    This guy has no vision for a greater future.

    Back 20 years ago the power of a supercomputer in a home PC was dumb. But yet you can just about get the same performance out of a cellphone. We are talking 59.7 GFLOPS in a supercomputer of 1993 vs 25 GFLOPS in a Mobile SoC GPU (and the Mobile link is even dated). Can you imagine what everyone thought in 1993, about needing that much power in a hand-held device?

  19. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 953   +515

    If he said that 8 cores are "dumb" at this point and time (or generation), then I would agree with him. But without a time constraint, he sounds pretty dumb...
    St1ckM4n likes this.
  20. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,811   +472

    Mmm it's an interesting argument. Only need 8 core if you can utilise that many threads. Not sure why a phone needs that much firepower either. You'd have to change what smartphone os's do. Advanced video/audio processing in real-time? Who knows..
  21. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,922   +630

    Yup. A good-quality modem that minimises power consumption is essential. This is in the top three (if not highest) power guzzling things/apps on your mobile.

    By the way, spreading workload over more cores is beneficial to battery life. 8 cores running at 0.2GHz is better than two cores running at 0.8GHz. More voltage is required for lower-cores at higher frequencies, which means more battery drain.

    Case in point, why was P4 abandoned? Because of high power consumption and temps. Dual-core CPU's demolished P4's on all fronts. Also, you can see Intel is having ~3.5GHz as the highest clocks that the consumer (and even enterprise) CPU's get.
  22. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,811   +472

    Low IPC due to pipeline stalls, they aimed for high clock rates rather than increasing IPC * clock speed which is the real goal. Architecture was very inefficient.

    It seems to be easier to increase IPC via better multi-operation (SIMD etc) instructions, branch prediction, addon dedicated operation instruction sets like AES libraries than trying to break down the pipeline into smaller pieces and ramping up clock rate. After all the specialised nature of much of the x86 instruction set is why it beats RISC based processors as you gain a small amount of kludge in your processor but gain massive efficiency or throughput in specific ops (which are obviously tuned to bottlenecks).
    Arris and St1ckM4n like this.
  23. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,274

    Why are all those people just sitting under the Qualcomm sign in the pic?... Demonstrating their aversion to an eight core processor?
  24. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Guru Posts: 460   +22

    It is a rare thing for the six cores in my PC to be all working at once, why would I want two more in my phone?

    Human, huh...
  25. kaoru

    kaoru TS Rookie

    Why cant we use these chips with windows OS? They are extremely efficient? are
    there any hacks or anything for it to work?
  26. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,811   +472

    They aren't x86 I thought? They are ARM... your entire Windows app ecosystem wouldn't run on them.

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