Reddit moderators' open letter asks the administration to take action against Covid-19...

Beerfloat

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf

From the study, page 12:
"The large decrease in COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy January-May among those with ≤high school education went a long way towards narrowing the education gap; still this group has a relatively high hesitancy prevalence. Those with professional degrees (e.g., JD, MBA) and PhDs were the only education groups without a decrease in hesitancy, and by May, those with PhDs had the highest hesitancy. To our knowledge, no other study has evaluated education with this level of granularity, which was possible due to our unusually large sample size (>10,000 participants with PhDs)."
Sure. And how does that translate to your statement that 'the largest group of vaccine hesitant are PhD educated'?

Let's take the US as an example. There are about 90 million Americans left who are in the age group where they could have gotten vaccinated, yet have not. For whatever reason.

Are PhDs the largest group? Hell. No. Political conservatives, evangelicals, rurals, whites, those make up some of the largest groups. Quite a few of them in multiple categories. PhDs? Just a sprinkle.
 

Sausagemeat

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Anyone with half a brain can see that these vaccines are rushed and not perfect. But I just had the jabs, got it over and done with. I eat tonnes of crap, have taken drugs, I drink too much. Who am I to complain about what I’m putting in my body? It’s far less hassle to have the thing than to be abused and discriminated against and labelled an “anti-vax“ or whatever.
 

cliffordcooley

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Out of a broader set of claims made by these problematic subreddits, the most common to see are:
  • The pandemic doesn't exist
  • Wearing a face mask suffocates you
  • This is just a regular flu virus
  • It's a bioweapon
All are true. Especially the second one. Which is why I will not wear a mask. I knew I couldn't wear a mask before this "pandemic" started. Until the day I see evidence of people being sicker than what I have witnesses all my life. I will continue to see this as just a regular flu. Besides what ever happened to the regular flu. I'll tell you what happened. It is being diagnosed as Covid to keep a fake pandemic alive.
 

Beerfloat

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All are true. Especially the second one. Which is why I will not wear a mask. I knew I couldn't wear a mask before this "pandemic" started. Until the day I see evidence of people being sicker than what I have witnesses all my life. I will continue to see this as just a regular flu. Besides what ever happened to the regular flu. I'll tell you what happened. It is being diagnosed as Covid to keep a fake pandemic alive.
Just quoting this for after your episode.
 

Prosercunus

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Reddit... surely the beacon of reasonable thinking individuals. If I am being generous, half of them have college rot in their brain and the other half are jaded Millennials.

That's the problem with "Covid Misinformation" is that there is a particular narrative that isn't Misinformation and another particular narrative that is ALWAYS Misinformation. Nothing stands on itself.
 

MaXtor

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Sure. And how does that translate to your statement that 'the largest group of vaccine hesitant are PhD educated'?

Let's take the US as an example. There are about 90 million Americans left who are in the age group where they could have gotten vaccinated, yet have not. For whatever reason.

Are PhDs the largest group? Hell. No. Political conservatives, evangelicals, rurals, whites, those make up some of the largest groups. Quite a few of them in multiple categories. PhDs? Just a sprinkle.
Okay, my statement should have read "among those with professional degrees, PhD educated (the most educated) are the most vaccine hesitant."
 

passwordistaco

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I have a doctorate, and I help treat COVID patients every day. There is no COVID-19 vaccine. There are experimental gene therapies that do not prevent people from getting the COVID-19 virus.

The fact that, in the US, the FDA allows these experimental concoctions to be labeled and now approved and marketed as vaccines is very concerning.
 

Beerfloat

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I have a doctorate, and I help treat COVID patients every day. There is no COVID-19 vaccine. There are experimental gene therapies that do not prevent people from getting the COVID-19 virus.

The fact that, in the US, the FDA allows these experimental concoctions to be labeled and now approved and marketed as vaccines is very concerning.
This kind of generic fearmongering is insidious as it creates the impression that this might be a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

There is no reason to think that is true. Neither the mRNA nor the Adenovirus-based vaccines have a high risk of genetic alterations. At the same time, there is strong evidence that both types have high efficacy in preventing infections, and minimizing serious symptoms in breakthrough cases.

Really, such FUD is just irresponsible as it promotes vaccine hesitancy, prolonging this miserable pandemic for everyone.
 
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Sausagemeat

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This kind of generic fearmongering is insidious as it creates the impression that this might be a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

There is no reason to think that is true. Neither the mRNA nor the Adenovirus-based vaccines have a high risk of genetic alterations. At the same time, there is strong evidence that both types have high efficacy in preventing infections, and minimizing serious symptoms in breakthrough cases.

Really, such FUD is just irresponsible as it promotes vaccine hesitancy, prolonging this miserable pandemic for everyone.
Meh, this “delta variant” is so infectious that the anti vaxxers will end up getting the antibodies one way or another. Whether it’s from a mostly harmless vaccine or a what is the equivalent of a chesty cold for most people.
 

passwordistaco

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This kind of generic fearmongering is insidious as it creates the impression that this might be a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

There is no reason to think that is true. Neither the mRNA nor the Adenovirus-based vaccines have a high risk of genetic alterations. At the same time, there is strong evidence that both types have high efficacy in preventing infections, and minimizing serious symptoms in breakthrough cases.

Really, such FUD is just irresponsible as it promotes vaccine hesitancy, prolonging this miserable pandemic for everyone.
If they wanted to produce a vaccine, they could have used proven technology to make a deactivated/attenuated virus or antigenic proteins from the virus shell. Instead they rushed development of a new, unproven modality with much less data than is typically required.

The efficacy of these gene therapies is nowhere near that of traditional vaccines such as DTaP/Tdap, MMR, or pneumococcal PCV13/23. It's closer to the efficacy of the seasonal flu vaccine, which is based on guesswork as to which strains will be prevalent in a particular year.

People under 50, who are about 85% asymptomatic if infected and have a survival rate of approximately 99.97%, have very little reason to take the jab.
 

Squid Surprise

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If they wanted to produce a vaccine, they could have used proven technology to make a deactivated/attenuated virus or antigenic proteins from the virus shell. Instead they rushed development of a new, unproven modality with much less data than is typically required.

The efficacy of these gene therapies is nowhere near that of traditional vaccines such as DTaP/Tdap, MMR, or pneumococcal PCV13/23. It's closer to the efficacy of the seasonal flu vaccine, which is based on guesswork as to which strains will be prevalent in a particular year.

People under 50, who are about 85% asymptomatic if infected and have a survival rate of approximately 99.97%, have very little reason to take the jab.
Except what you just said is a LIE.

This is why misinformation is really dangerous... the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are 95% effective.

One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella - I'd like to know which world you live in where that is far superior to 95%.

Also, someone posted a link to a video of some PHD talking about how the vaccines are dangerous and unproven... funny... cause the "proof" has been coming in from all over the world over the past year or so... people who are vaccinated are FAR less likely to both get the disease, or, if they get it, contract serious symptoms/death.

And here's the thing - just because Covid might not harm YOU... you can (and certainly will if you go about unmasked and unvaccinated) pass it on to others - some of whom WILL get serious symptoms or die.
 

passwordistaco

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Except what you just said is a LIE.

This is why misinformation is really dangerous... the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are 95% effective.
Tell that to the patients we treat every day who are "fully vaccinated".

I can't remember the last patient with measles, mumps, rubella, or tetanus.
 

Squid Surprise

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Talk about misinformation! If that were true I would have caught it. If I went and got vaccinated tomorrow, I'd have Covid next week.
You probably already caught it and were asymptomatic... and passed it on to a bunch more people... thanks for being a part of the problem.
Tell that to the patients we treat every day who are "fully vaccinated".

I can't remember the last patient with measles, mumps, rubella, or tetanus.
Yep - because there are so many unvaccinated people spreading and mutating the disease... 95% of 100 million still leaves 5 million to get infected...

This is why we need EVERYONE to get vaccinated!

The reason you don't see anyone with measles, mumps, etc is because virtually everyone has gotten that shot!!

If you work in a hospital, you should know how vaccines work!!
 

Beerfloat

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If they wanted to produce a vaccine, they could have used proven technology to make a deactivated/attenuated virus or antigenic proteins from the virus shell. Instead they rushed development of a new, unproven modality with much less data than is typically required.
Hmm. Why are you acting as if your preferred type of vaccine does not exist?

Could it be because the likes of CoronaVac, Covaxin, Novavax, Sinopharm and Zafivax have not been able to demonstrate better efficacy and safety than our mRNA and viral vector-based vaccines?

Is it because some of the countries who have been using such more traditional types of vaccines have now started augmenting them with booster shots based on Pfizer or AstraZeneca?

The efficacy of these gene therapies is nowhere near that of traditional vaccines such as DTaP/Tdap, MMR, or pneumococcal PCV13/23. It's closer to the efficacy of the seasonal flu vaccine, which is based on guesswork as to which strains will be prevalent in a particular year.
Speculation, not based on established fact. The actual data we have does not support such a characterization.

People under 50, who are about 85% asymptomatic if infected and have a survival rate of approximately 99.97%, have very little reason to take the jab.
Except that risk/reward is very positive for such individuals. And that it is also helpful for minimizing the spread to those around you and others who might not be eligible for a jab themselves. And hey, doing your part in helping society return to normality safely. Little reason, indeed. If you live in a vacuum.