RTX 3070 Ti prices revealed ahead of Nvidia's Computex keynote; watch it here at 10 pm...

pcnthuziast

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The video game industry is huge, but bigger industries have collapsed. There is no guarantee gaming will always be prevalent or even that it will exist en masse at all. We are on the precipice of the end of an era.
 

b3rdm4n

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And hopefully we will see a perfect implementation of DLSS
From my memory of the brief video in the keynote, running on a 3080Ti it was around 75-90FPS @ 3840x2160, performance metrics showed no hint of DLSS, so as you say hopefully it's a spot on imp and they basically get raster level FPS with RT+DLSS.

Also low key hopeful this means future ID Tech 7+ engine powered games that some of the imp work is already a bridge crossed.
 

Peter Farkas

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sure, but this time it's different? Isn't it just gonna drop and pop right back up again? With inflation being a real thing and more stimulus money to be printed by the US, isn't crypto the inflation hedge that gold used to be? I just don't see it going anywhere, hence why GPU prices will remain in the stratosphere for all those ETH miners.
I don't see why it would be different this time. The crypto assets still don't have any meaningful utility, just like in 2018. I believe ETH has a lot of promise with smart contracts and NFTs that could change the picture but it is not there yet. I think crypto is also generating inflation the same way as loans, or the stock exchange or any stimulus since we are creating new (digital) money into the system.
 

Skjorn

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That's kind of the point of my post: MSRP has become the dumbest thing companies like Nvidia quote: how can they quote *ANY* MSRP below at the very least 1000 to 1200 for any of these cards?

Do we trust they hash limiter will work this time? Hell no.

But let's say you do for some reason: Do you also trust they'll be able to meet demand after more than 6 months of shortage and people waiting instead of paying miner or scalper prices?

So that's another hell no: you can't set any realistic MSRP that'd be at or below the 3080 right now. You just can't: It is not going to happen. Not for even a few seconds after launch. There's just no chance. We know it. Nvidia knows it, so why would you want them to just lie and quote "Yeah 750 MSRP for a 3070 ti" when you know it just won't be found under at least 1400 for months, possibly even the reminder of 2021?
I'll get it at microcenter. I'll go wait in line a few hours and have another GPU. Most likely cheaper than the 3080s they sell. Definitely under $1400. Gamers got to used to doing everything digital and having a amazon minion bring it to their door. Gamers need to get out at go get in line cause the scalpers are and they're cutting in line to make sure you can't get one at MSRP.
 

Dimitriid

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I'll get it at microcenter. I'll go wait in line a few hours and have another GPU. Most likely cheaper than the 3080s they sell. Definitely under $1400. Gamers got to used to doing everything digital and having a amazon minion bring it to their door. Gamers need to get out at go get in line cause the scalpers are and they're cutting in line to make sure you can't get one at MSRP.
Yeah well: You're assuming people even have access to a Microcenter they can queue outside of for a chance at MSRP is mostly exclusive to Americans and even Americans living near very specific urban centers, I'm not even American so that's not an option and there is no equivalent for many people outside the US, I'd guess most of them even.

So you thinking "Oh gamers are just lazy doing everything through Amazon" just shows how little thought you'd given to this: I have to pay 30% import tax ON TOP OF MSRP for any online retailer and even most local retailers still build that 30% tax (And that's not even counting 16% sales tax of course) on top of the price of any card: Trust me there is no advantage to "online" shopping for me whatsoever.
 

Peter Farkas

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Yeah well: You're assuming people even have access to a Microcenter they can queue outside of for a chance at MSRP is mostly exclusive to Americans and even Americans living near very specific urban centers, I'm not even American so that's not an option and there is no equivalent for many people outside the US, I'd guess most of them even.

So you thinking "Oh gamers are just lazy doing everything through Amazon" just shows how little thought you'd given to this: I have to pay 30% import tax ON TOP OF MSRP for any online retailer and even most local retailers still build that 30% tax (And that's not even counting 16% sales tax of course) on top of the price of any card: Trust me there is no advantage to "online" shopping for me whatsoever.
in my country the retail price of GPUs go the following way.
Lets say MSRP is $600 - when it arrives in the EU that goes up to 600EUR, and in my country we have 27% VAT which will add up to 762 EUR which is ~$930.
And this $930 will be the price where it starts from, if availability is an issue you can imagine we are talking about $1200+ for the same card you can get for 600$ in Microcenter. :)
And this is totally regardless if you buy it in a retail store or online, same price will be everywhere in this corner of the world.
 

Xex360

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Actually, if the mining limiter they built in works (that's a BIG "if"), then you could actually see lower demand for the Ti products, thus leading to a situation where the "faster" cards are also cheaper, since they're less useful for mining.
Not really, miners are not responsible for the high prices just look at the PS5 ans Series consoles, they exaggerate it, but it's mainly due to shortages and prices getting high somewhere in the supply chain.
 

Skjorn

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Yeah well: You're assuming people even have access to a Microcenter they can queue outside of for a chance at MSRP is mostly exclusive to Americans and even Americans living near very specific urban centers, I'm not even American so that's not an option and there is no equivalent for many people outside the US, I'd guess most of them even.

So you thinking "Oh gamers are just lazy doing everything through Amazon" just shows how little thought you'd given to this: I have to pay 30% import tax ON TOP OF MSRP for any online retailer and even most local retailers still build that 30% tax (And that's not even counting 16% sales tax of course) on top of the price of any card: Trust me there is no advantage to "online" shopping for me whatsoever.
Then buy a plane ticket. People are driving from store to store here to find what they want. Multi day road trips. Not saying it's easy. It's definitely a pain. If you don't like traveling there's always bots on github.
 

Xex360

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Actually, if the mining limiter they built in works (that's a BIG "if"), then you could actually see lower demand for the Ti products, thus leading to a situation where the "faster" cards are also cheaper, since they're less useful for mining.
You're mistaken, otherwise Ryzen and Xbox Series, PS5, cars... Etc would be readily available, there is a global shortage that's the main reason.