Russia can't obtain its 'domestic' CPUs from foreign manufacturers

[midian182]

In brief: Sanctions against Russia are hitting multiple areas of industry, including its PC makers, who cannot obtain processors designed in the country and made by the likes of TSMC. It's led to a large decline in the number of supplied PCs and servers based on Russian CPUs this year as the country lacks replacement production facilities.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February led to sanctions against the nation and companies such as Intel and AMD stopping sales of their CPUs. Taiwan also halted exports of high-end chips to Russia, meaning Russian firms that relied on TSMC and others to produce domestically designed chips have been left empty handed.

Kommersant business daily writes that Maksut Shadayev, head of Russia's Ministry of Digital Development, says just 15,000 PCs and 8,000 servers based on Russian Elbrus and Baikal processors were produced this year.

"We would have much more this year if those batches of Russian processors, Elbrus, Baikal, which was ordered and produced, were shipped. Intellectual rights and all documentation are Russian, but, based on topological standards, there are no such production facilities in Russia, and all this was ordered from foreign factories," said Shadayev.

Taiwan does allow the export of CPUs to Russia and Belarus, but with some major caveats: they must not have a performance of 5 GFLOPS or higher. The Nintendo 3DS, for comparison, has a peak performance rated at 4.8 FP32 GFLOPS. Moreover, the exported chips cannot have an ALU wider than 32 bits, more than 144 pins, a basic gate propagation delay time of fewer than 0.4 nanoseconds, or an external interconnection with a data transfer rate of 2.5 MB/s or over. Plus, their operating frequency must not reach 25 MHz or higher.

"Foreign manufacturers that produce processors based on blueprints of Russian developers refused to fulfill orders in 2022, including shipping already produced chips," said Shadayev.

Russia had been looking to the Chinese gray market for its chip imports, but around 40% of them were found to be defective. There was also the option of China's own Loongson CPUs, but the Asian nation has banned their export as China wants them for its own military-industrial complex.

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[SirDigby]

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I love this.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

Thats what we hear, but I'm sure they are getting CPU's just fine, through government channels. We only hear what they want us to hear.

 

[clspie43]

Thats what we hear, but I'm sure they are getting CPU's just fine, through government channels. We only hear what they want us to hear.

How do you know that?

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

How do you know that?

Not to be a tin foil hat type. But notice how nothing has really changed? We are still getting oil from Russia. We basically do all of the things with China that we always have. Gov't these days don't work for the people, they work for their selves and the lobbyist. What we see in mainstream news, we now know more than ever that is completely manipulated.

 

[Rq3EWAq]

25 MHz max frequency? and 2.5 MB/s transfer rate to external devices or something? Is that right? If that's true then it doesn't look very bright in 2022

On the other hand, if all these sanctions are too itchy for Russia, they will just start importing things through their friends like Belarus or Kazakhstan. They have no such sanctions in place, meaning they can buy one million Intel CPUs and then export it elsewhere, to Russian Federation for example.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

25 MHz max frequency? and 2.5 MB/s transfer rate to external devices or something? Is that right? If that's true then it doesn't look very bright in 2022

On the other hand, if all these sanctions are too itchy for Russia, they will just start importing things through their friends like Belarus or Kazakhstan. They have no such sanctions in place, meaning they can buy one million Intel CPUs and then export it elsewhere, to Russian Federation for example.

Exactly. We can ban imports to Russia, but we don't ban them to other countries that supply Russia.

 

[bviktor]

Burn baby burn!

 

[bviktor]

Not to be a tin foil hat type. But notice how nothing has really changed? We are still getting oil from Russia. We basically do all of the things with China that we always have. Gov't these days don't work for the people, they work for their selves and the lobbyist. What we see in mainstream news, we now know more than ever that is completely manipulated.

> not to be a tin foil hat type

> proceeds to be a tin foil hat type

Maybe do your homework before pulling such statements out of your arse.

https://www.russiafossiltracker.com/

Their exports and therefore income are steadily declining ever since the war. And it can only get worse and worse. Especially now that oil AND gas price caps are implemented. So not only will their volume decline, but even the unit price as well.

It can't happen overnight, because guess what, we can't replace heating and transport for 400 million people in just a couple of months, but it IS happening.

The best part is that Russians don't even have the capacity to store the surplus, which makes all their transport and storage systems overloaded, which causes more and more random fires all over the country. And they can't even "close" those wells, because it's next to impossible to reopen later. Of course they try to mediate the issue by offering the resources to India and China with HUGE discounts, because they need to get rid of it at all costs. But those pipes have like 5 times smaller bandwidth than that of the EU ones, and building new ones takes YEARS.

TLDR they're in deep sh*t, and they're perfectly aware.

 

[bviktor]

Thats what we hear, but I'm sure they are getting CPU's just fine, through government channels. We only hear what they want us to hear.

Oh, if you're "sure", then it must be so! Even though all official and unofficial channels say otherwise. But TheRealSCDC @ Techspot is sure, so they all must be wrong.

 

[DefaultD]

Oh, if you're "sure", then it must be so! Even though all official and unofficial channels say otherwise. But TheRealSCDC @ Techspot is sure, so they all must be wrong.

I think you guys are actually on the same side. Yes sanctions are putting pressure on Russia. Is the impact what was intended—maybe. Sanctions take time, and there are ways to circumvent them. It doesn’t hurt to have a little bit of skepticism when you read a news article. You can be skeptical without going down a conspiracy theorist rabbit hole.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

I think you guys are actually on the same side. Yes sanctions are putting pressure on Russia. Is the impact what was intended—maybe. Sanctions take time, and there are ways to circumvent them. It doesn’t hurt to have a little bit of skepticism when you read a news article. You can be skeptical without going down a conspiracy theorist rabbit hole.

Agreed.

 

[Tantor]

Sanctions on Russian chips may affect some areas such as servers, pcs, etc. but I doubt it's going to have any effect on Russian aircraft, tank or missile production. As far as I know, their military computer chips are manufactured domestically.

 

[NikoBB]

Russia always has the last word in trade and geopolitics - nuclear weapons. You can't argue with a bear if it's cornered with a nuke in hand.

But in general, the Russian comprador authorities helped the West a lot - it reduced the means of nuclear blackmail of the Western world (and not only the Western) to too few warheads after a series of reduction treaties (which definitely should not have been done for these countries in the current retrospective) - they are no longer enough to completely ruin, for years, the conditions of life on the planet, but it can still (at least officially) ruin them badly in the US and EU.

So Western politicians and business and kleptocracy, in a general sense, will be forced all the time not to go beyond the real red lines marked by the powerful kleptocrats of Russia (and China). These red lines are invisible - but no one will ever dare to cross them in the West without being sure that fatal retribution will not follow when there is nothing left to lose. This is a very subtle game for the real survival of yourself and your heirs. Cooler than any poker by orders of magnitude.
And only in the event that Putin and his partners are in reality traitors and agents of the West, only in this case the collective West can continue the tactics of economic blockade and strangulation without hesitation. Otherwise, Western politicians and business will simply provoke a nuclear attack on their heads and the population who trusted them, when the Putin (or Xi) regime will have nothing to lose, in fact.
And then the inhabitants of the West will only have to rely on the instinct of self-preservation of those middle-ranking and junior officers who are sitting in Russia and China at nuclear control panels on duty. That they will not carry out a suicidal order (and this is also possible on the consoles of Western countries - given the heyday of leftist trends in Western armies, everything is possible ...).

If they (the officers behind the consoles) carry out the final order, Western civilization is doomed.

But while the game of deadly super "poker" continues...

And the conspiracy of kleptocrats / bureaucrats and owners of TNCs, all over the world, is becoming more and more obvious to the general public, thanks to mass p2p communications of the 21st century.

 

[NikoBB]

Sanctions on Russian chips may affect some areas such as servers, pcs, etc. but I doubt it's going to have any effect on Russian aircraft, tank or missile production. As far as I know, their military computer chips are manufactured domestically.

Little do you know - most of Russia's high-precision weapons are completely dependent on Western chips.
It's just that the Russian authorities prudently stocked them before the invasion. For several years ahead.
The problem is not in them, but in the general speed of production of weapons and the beginning of social cataclysms inside Russia. And so far they have managed to buy all this through a chain of intermediaries (which the CIA is well aware of, but pretends not to notice).

I wrote above why this is actually happening - the duplicity of politicians and legislators in the West - they are afraid to go beyond real red lines, preferring to leave holes in the fence so as not to drive them into a corner and in the hope that a palace coup will happen in Russia (and in China) , after which the new more accommodating leaders of these countries back off and give up their interests. As was the case after the collapse of the USSR, when the United States almost completely ran Russia, except for the nuclear shield, which the local kleptocrats left as a guarantor of their immunity, but which, due to their stupidity, has decreased several times over 30 years, reducing by several times the possibility of global retaliation for the entire civilization from Russia, if its population, who chose Putin, decides that it’s all over for them and it’s better to go to Paradise, as Putin personally promised them from the TV screens, but at the same time spoiling the planet’s habitat for decades and killing billions of people in retaliation.

The United States has done an excellent job of reducing the number of Russia's effective warheads many times over in 30 years and has been getting nuclear fuel almost for nothing for almost 20 years from there, from dismantled warheads. But there are officially enough warheads so far to turn the United States into a radioactive wasteland for 50 years to come. And that worries them a lot.

Therefore, there will be no complete blockade of Russia. Even if Putin is a national traitor and his closest oligarchic entourage, he will simply be removed from office by a coup in 2023, and the new leader of the Russian kleptocracy and oligarchy will be even tougher in an ultimatum to the Western world if they are not thrown life jackets.

 

[takaozo]

They still know how to make 8080, so there are good for now

 

[Hodor]

25 MHz is quite enough for simple rocket guidance or airplane automation. Assuming you write the software correctly. Which means if you write software unlike nowadays moorooons, who include all the libraries, necessary and unnecessary before even writing the first line of code. And then write the main logic of the app in "fast and easy to maintain" programming languages such as Python. The amazing app then needs a 5 GHz 16-core CPU just to run at minimum speed.

But if you use optimized C/C++ with a bit assembly, and best algorithms, not those you think of in 10 seconds, but those that evolved over time and were improved by the smartest people, 25 MHz is quite enough to control physical things.

So, I assume because of those sanctions Russians will get a new generation of extremely good programmers who can produce miracles on slow hardware. Just like it used to be long time ago, when programmers were programmers.

 

[NikoBB]

Russians will get a new generation of extremely good programmers who can produce miracles on slow hardware

All advanced programmers with liberated creative consciousness left Russia long ago. The rest of the developers fled in 2022 (even officially more than 100,000 people, I.e. 25%+ of all developers) Like most advanced hardware developers - who mainly worked in local branches of Western companies and were immediately evacuated abroad back in the spring. Total corruption reigns in Russia (ordinary performers in all sectors get 10-15% of the budget intended specifically for them) and complete disregard for truly educated people - they are hated by most of the illiterate population and of course the thieves' authorities. That is why Russia, despite a lot of money in "well-fed" years, still has nothing but rusty AMD lines at 90 nm ...

Local kleptocrats have always hoped for the Chinese. However, corruption and lies have reached such proportions that even the US Army uses quietly re-marked Chinese microcircuits. And in Russia such fraud is very common.

But since the real economic blockade does not work, the necessary chips still come from China through secret channels, and it has its own 28nm, which is more than enough for military electronics. So the US blockade will never work here, it's too late ...

The only hope of the USA and the West is that the creative human layer of people there will lose weight to an extremely critical level and everything will collapse there without specialists. Unless, of course, again, China will not quietly supply them with ready-made solutions at the expense of their brains.

The United States is fighting with the hands and lives of Ukrainians, and China will fight with the hands and lives of Russians. Proxy war of the 21st century between superpowers. Russia, with the exception of nuclear weapons, has long turned from this status in economic terms and self-sufficiency into a second-rate regional gas station country. They have neither heavy engineering for the production of means of production, nor an electronics industry. No advanced chemistry.

Yesterday, the president of the Otkritie Bank, Zadornov, a very well-known person in Russia, said this in plain text - all projects in the Russian industry stood up for 1-1.5 years (that is, a structural crisis in the industry due to the depreciation of old high-precision Western equipment, like and was expected from spring, will begin by spring 2023), after the loss of access to machines and equipment from Europe and the USA. And the Chinese, as he complained, cannot provide the same level of precision engineering for imports. Or they are not in a hurry so that the Russians crawl to them on their knees faster ...

Russia's problems are just beginning. But they are still capable of making weapons for another 1.5-2 years in decreasing progression using old stocks and equipment. So people keep dying...

 

[Hodor]

Russia's problems are just beginning. But they are still capable of making weapons for another 1.5-2 years in decreasing progression using old stocks and equipment. So people keep dying...

Well, if the plans that are circulating the web are real, someone (you know, world richest banksters) have forged a plan long time ago to cause global wars and return entire planet to feudal level of development. There won't be 90nm or 28nm or any-nm chips for us. Ordinary plebs will have as much technology as Amish people.

While those who control everything will of course have access to all the best technology that exists. So, as they say in military: "The only easy day was yesterday".

 

[NikoBB]

Yesterday immoral Microsoft, judging by the news in the Russian Federation, unblocked Russians' access to their servers. Now they can again download any version of the OS and activate them. Microsoft was simply afraid of losing influence in the Russian society, where the amount of equipment with their OS fell by the end of the year to 30%.

Don't care about morality, the main thing is money.

That is how Putin and his cabal, with a big grin, showed all the people in the world, at the cost of destroying Russia, how duplicitous the West is. Two-faced business, politicians of the West. And a large part of the population of the West, because it is they who choose these politicians. He, with a sly grin, showed the entire developing world that the West is morally no better than Russia, China and other third world countries. The West will no longer be able, during the lifetime of at least 2-3 generations, to stutter about certain freedoms and human rights that they allegedly support and that they are allegedly their priority, and not their own selfish interests.

Because all the living adults on the planet will only laugh at their lies. They no longer have faith.

And faith is the main thing.

 

[Hodor]

Yesterday immoral Microsoft, judging by the news in the Russian Federation, unblocked Russians' access to their servers. Now they can again download any version of the OS and activate them. Microsoft was simply afraid of losing influence in the Russian society, where the amount of equipment with their OS fell by the end of the year to 30%.

Don't care about morality, the main thing is money.

You're too naive. Microsoft allowed the download simply because they can spy on Russia better if they have all the latest spyware from the most recent version of Windows. They may even allow them to download the OS for free.

As the saying goes: "There's always free cheese in a mousetrap".

 

[NikoBB]

I'm far from naive and understand this world well. 95% of the world's population is orders of magnitude more naive than me, so they are easily manipulated, unlike me.

The main level of espionage is now on smartphones. Their sale (and work state for already sold) in the Russian Federation will never be banned precisely because they are ideal espionage devices. Well, except that the Russian authorities will have a desire to turn off the external segment of the Internet. Western immoral business is quietly rebuilding and starting to supply goods and services to Russia again, simply through longer chains of intermediaries, so that you can lie to the naive Western public that they support "sanctions". The public believes... for the most part. And politicians publicly assure that "sanctions" all work ...

 

[Hodor]

I'm far from naive and understand this world well. 95% of the world's population is orders of magnitude more naive than me, so they are easily manipulated, unlike me.

The main level of espionage is now on smartphones. Their sale (and work state for already sold) in the Russian Federation will never be banned precisely because they are ideal espionage devices. Well, except that the Russian authorities will have a desire to turn off the external segment of the Internet. Western immoral business is quietly rebuilding and starting to supply goods and services to Russia again, simply through longer chains of intermediaries, so that you can lie to the naive Western public that they support "sanctions". The public believes... for the most part. And politicians publicly assure that "sanctions" all work ...

Well, I can think of some other countries that put the native population into concentration camps, have erected 8 meter walls around their border, shoot the immigrants, send airplanes to neighboring countries to bomb them, and........ never get any sanctions. In fact, US presidents and EU leaders go to that country to bow and offer their assistance.

So, maybe that's the reason why the US corporations don't really think sanctions are a big thing. If they were, wouldn't many other countries deserve it?

 

[NikoBB]

The moral of this story is that the Western world has lost the right to morality from 2020. For several generations to come. And no one else cares about their howls about democracy, rights and freedoms.