Ryzen 5 1600X vs. 1600: Which should you buy?

[Adi6293]

Getting old or getting wise? As for your card I'm not surprised as gpu chips are designed to withstand such heat. It's only recently through marketing hype that people think any temp that isn't 10 degrees above idle must be bad. I had an old 8800gt that always hit the 90's during gaming and never once had an issue with it.

Depends how you look at it I'm turning 27 this December, I've got a kid that I see at the weekends and a car would be very handy, I've recently sold my other rig FX9590, R9 390X, 16GB DDR3 2400Mhz to get a Ryzen rig but I'm fighting myself now, go all out this last time and then get a car later? decisions decisions and yeah I know some heat its alright although 100C for 6 years impressive in the wrong way!

 

[soulsassassin]

Money is not a problem just me getting old is ( really think I should get a car ) and this card hits 100C even with 120mm fan on the side and new thermal paste applied on it, I'm really surprised it lasted all those years

dont be surprised nvidia advertises that the gtx 480 has been tested to run at 105c without a problem ,so you're still in the safe zone lol , although I dont think you can get any gaming performance from it by now so you really need to change it and since you got the money go for a new rig with an AMD CPU/GPU combo

 

[Adi6293]

dont be surprised nvidia advertises that the gtx 480 has been tested to run at 105c without a problem ,so you're still in the safe zone lol , although I dont think you can get any gaming performance from it by now so you really need to change it and since you got the money go for a new rig with an AMD CPU/GPU combo

I do really want Ryzen 7 1700X and Vega + 4K monitor

 

[kalibdb]

It's single threaded cpu benchmarks are lacking. I would to see benched on more games.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html[/

It's single threaded cpu benchmarks are lacking. I would to see benched on more games.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

"This chart comparing the single thread performance of CPUs is made using thousands of PerformanceTest benchmark results and is updated daily." they say
it looks like average of many pc configuration

 

[GabrielW]

Well all the evidence that I've been finding seems to point to the R5 1600 series over an i5, regardless of specific tasks. Good to know that I'll also be safe spending a little less on the 1600 without losing too much performance. Seems odd to me that the 1600X ships without a stock cooler, bit of an odd choice but... I guess I'm not a marketing expert.

 

[TechGeek101]

if you got the money go for a new rig if you dont get a new graphics card either way that gtx480 needs to go , btw how the temps on that nuclear reactor ?

Money is not a problem just me getting old is ( really think I should get a car ) and this card hits 100C even with 120mm fan on the side and new thermal paste applied on it, I'm really surprised it lasted all those years

Wow! That's hot. My 2500K, clocked at 4.8GHz, would hit 85C at full load, with a small water cooler (H60). I thought that was too warm for long term use, so I backed off a bit. They don't make them like this any more. It was completely stable running at a 1.5GHz over-clock. I had it up and running at 5.1GHz without too much trouble, but I needed a better water cooler to keep the temps down. I may have won the silicon lottery with this chip.

 

[TechGeek101]

As a pure budget play, I agree with the recommendation. However, longevity on these chips are an unknown at this point. If you're cranking up the voltage beyond the recommended long-term 1.35v limit, you may be limiting the life of the chip. The 1.45v mentioned by AMD is not a long-term recommendation, but the maximum the suggest it can sustain, shorter term, without bricking. I guess if you can OC it to 4GHz @ 1.38v, that might be okay, long term, but from the various reviews I've seen on the 1600, the voltage required to get to the magical 4GHz varies greatly. In many cases, some reviewers were pushing the chip up to 1.48v to get there - many others are 1.4v or higher. While this may not end up being a big deal, I don't normally push brand new silicon past recommended long-term voltages (technically, you can invalidate the warranty, as well).

For me, I'm looking at getting the 1600x, as I don't want to OC it for the first year I own it (all bets are off after this ). I want a chip that, out of the box, gives me the performance I'm looking for. If I have to OC it out of the box to get what I need, then I have the wrong chip for my purposes, and should be looking at the next step up. If that costs $30 more for the chip, and the cost of a new cooler, so be it. At $249, it's hardly a super-expensive chip. Still a good deal when comparing to Intel's current 6 core offerings.

 

[soulsassassin]

Wow! That's hot. My 2500K, clocked at 4.8GHz, would hit 85C at full load, with a small water cooler (H60). I thought that was too warm for long term use, so I backed off a bit. They don't make them like this any more. It was completely stable running at a 1.5GHz over-clock. I had it up and running at 5.1GHz without too much trouble, but I needed a better water cooler to keep the temps down. I may have won the silicon lottery with this chip.

an 2500k is a different story we were talking about fermi graphics cards (gtx 480) the hottest piece of silicon on the planet

 

[Adi6293]

Wow! That's hot. My 2500K, clocked at 4.8GHz, would hit 85C at full load, with a small water cooler (H60). I thought that was too warm for long term use, so I backed off a bit. They don't make them like this any more. It was completely stable running at a 1.5GHz over-clock. I had it up and running at 5.1GHz without too much trouble, but I needed a better water cooler to keep the temps down. I may have won the silicon lottery with this chip.

My 2500K can get to 4.8Ghz at 1.48v but Hyper 212 Evo its not up for the job and I don't think its worth investing into better cooling as I'm not planning on keeping this PC so I'm running it at 4.5Ghz under 1.4v

 

[Stefan XD124]

Can any of you recommend a good cooler to pair with a 1600x? I''ve seen a lot of people use the Hyper EVO 212 because it is cheap. Others say about Corsair H60 water cooling. And I had opinions against that as being really noisy and instead to go with this air cooling Scythe Mugen 5 51.2 CFM CPU Cooler ( which has some problems when mounting to AM4 motherboard)

 

[Stefan XD124]

As a pure budget play, I agree with the recommendation. However, longevity on these chips are an unknown at this point. If you're cranking up the voltage beyond the recommended long-term 1.35v limit, you may be limiting the life of the chip. The 1.45v mentioned by AMD is not a long-term recommendation, but the maximum the suggest it can sustain, shorter term, without bricking. I guess if you can OC it to 4GHz @ 1.38v, that might be okay, long term, but from the various reviews I've seen on the 1600, the voltage required to get to the magical 4GHz varies greatly. In many cases, some reviewers were pushing the chip up to 1.48v to get there - many others are 1.4v or higher. While this may not end up being a big deal, I don't normally push brand new silicon past recommended long-term voltages (technically, you can invalidate the warranty, as well).

For me, I'm looking at getting the 1600x, as I don't want to OC it for the first year I own it (all bets are off after this ). I want a chip that, out of the box, gives me the performance I'm looking for. If I have to OC it out of the box to get what I need, then I have the wrong chip for my purposes, and should be looking at the next step up. If that costs $30 more for the chip, and the cost of a new cooler, so be it. At $249, it's hardly a super-expensive chip. Still a good deal when comparing to Intel's current 6 core offerings.

 

[Adi6293]

Can any of you recommend a good cooler to pair with a 1600x? I''ve seen a lot of people use the Hyper EVO 212 because it is cheap. Others say about Corsair H60 water cooling. And I had opinions against that as being really noisy and instead to go with this air cooling Scythe Mugen 5 51.2 CFM CPU Cooler ( which has some problems when mounting to AM4 motherboard)

I hope this helps

 

[Braustard]

if you got the money go for a new rig if you dont get a new graphics card either way that gtx480 needs to go , btw how the temps on that nuclear reactor ?

Money is not a problem just me getting old is ( really think I should get a car ) and this card hits 100C even with 120mm fan on the side and new thermal paste applied on it, I'm really surprised it lasted all those years

Getting old or getting wise? As for your card I'm not surprised as gpu chips are designed to withstand such heat. It's only recently through marketing hype that people think any temp that isn't 10 degrees above idle must be bad. I had an old 8800gt that always hit the 90's during gaming and never once had an issue with it.

I had a GTX 570 hitting 85° C during gaming, used it on average 10 hrs a week, it lasted 5 years. The thing is that I purchased the RX 480 and the GTX died 1 day before I received the new card, man I was planning to sell the d*mn*d thing

 

[Capaill]

I'm not sure why this article is back on TS's main page but my 2c:
I imagine the X versions are for enthusiasts who will use water cooling (so no need for a bundled cooler). The problem is that any good enthusiast should know that all Ryzen 5s can be overclocked to at least 3.9GHz very simply and none are guaranteed to go over 4.0GHz, so there is no benefit at all to buying the X version. That is 6 cores (12 threads) each running at 3.9GHz or more.
Which means that the best solution (based on price/performance) for gamers is to buy a Ryzen 5 1600 with DDR4-2933 RAM (get 3200 if you are absolutely sure it is supported by the CPU - check the BIOS updates) and then overclock the CPU. And a B350 motherboard should be good enough, unless you have specific needs. Note that the bundled cooler is good enough to get a fast overclock, but replacing it with a good cooler such as the cheap Hyper 212 will reduce temperatures a bit.
Anyone who does a lot of video editing or game streaming or heavy multitasking should consider a Ryzen 7 instead.

 

[Meanmuggin20]

Just built a new computer pairing a Ryzen 5 1600 with a GTX 1050 ti (due to the current cryptocurrency mining prices) and 8gigs of DDR4 3000 RAM. Just have Windows 10 installed and updated mobo and graphics drivers so far but I'm excited to see how it will perform. Haven't tried updating the BIOS yet, I'm hoping it will go easily.

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

My 1600 (in an MSI B350 Gaming Pro) at 3.7GHz & 1.35Vcore, reports errors after 15 minutes of prime95.
I have to push Vcore up to 1.38V to get a stable 3.7GHz overclock.

However at those settings the cpu package is hitting 85°, and 92W usage. (as reported by CPUID HWMonitor)
In my mind that's far too close the performance envelope of the Wraith Spire cooler for day to day usage. (even if prime95 is an atypical workload)

Unless your ambient is subarctic, I don't see how a 1.4V+ overclock is a reasonable suggestion on the Wraith Spire; it's simply beyond the capacity of the cooler.

I don't regret getting a 1600; it is after all still a great value proposition.
However I feel it's disingenuous to claim 1.4V+ overclocks are viable on a Wraith Spire equipped 1600.

I also think it's a mistake to so profoundly dismiss the 1600x; that extra overclocking headroom without needing huge Vcore (and thus lots of heat) has value.
To some +10% performance (3.7GHz vs 4.1GHz) will be worth +35% cost (1600x+good aftermarket cooler).

 

[PierreJG]

I am getting my msi gaming g1 4gb during the week.So was thinking what to upgrade to after dec/jan.Here I can buy the bundle msi mobo + 1600 + 8 gb ram for 6k.I compared it to some intel.Intel i3 8100 are about 6.5k.But it has a bad mobo compared to the amd.I won't run with the wraith cooler for oc tbh.

Learned my lesson when I got this 4170 k.Was over heating mad so custom build my own case and cooler.Clocked to 4.7(For some reason it runs very unstable on 4.8 running on 1.5 v) on 100% cpu usage it runs max 48(In the summer)Winter it runs under 30 degrees

 

[dsilvermane]

I recently got a Ryzen 5 1600 and I can honestly say it's worth every penny. The performance gain I had (upgrading from a Core2Quad Q8200) is incredible. Nothing I throw at this beast can phase it. Unless you have the very best Intel can offer, you can't go wrong with this chip.

Edit: I saw no mention of the 1600 being 65W while the 1600X draws 95W. Apologies if I missed it. Either way, that's a massive difference considering the performance gap is so small.

 

[DANSEI]

This is an interesting article and lays out facts very well. However I would like to note that 1600X is only $10 USD more than the 1600 on amazon at this point, and if you are upgrading from an existing system and already have a decent CPU Cooler, you may aswell just get the 1600X (assuming you can afford another $10). Great Article though !