Samsung to cease plasma TV production later this year

[learninmypc]

For us ignorant ones, can somebody kindly explaing in plain english what a plasma tv is? The only plasma I'm familiar with is the kind one can donate. Laugh all you want. thank you

 

[captaincranky]

For us ignorant ones, can somebody kindly explaing in plain english what a plasma tv is? The only plasma I'm familiar with is the kind one can donate. Laugh all you want. thank you

You asked for it, you got it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_displays

 

[learninmypc]

Thank you captaincranky.

 

[St1ckM4n]

I am not sure what constitutes as 'severe issues' but I really like mine, great value and great picture as far as I am concerned. I mostly use them with HTPC's and Windows looks as nice on the 55" screens as it does on my Dell 30" IPS panels. I might be partially blind though.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-cHEUCCSOaedDc5Q3cxVy1SOWM&usp=sharing

That's taken with a weak smartphone camera, so you can imagine what it looks like IRL. This was the best of the three TV's (but it had the most problems). The other two's bottom-left corners were insane.

The links above show pretty much every problem that an LED LCD TV can have. Yet the manufacturer said there's nothing wrong. They also couldn't provide a whitepaper showing the allowances for any problems. The web is full of similar stories to mine. Pretty much, if you get a semi-decent LCD you're a lucky person.

 

[captaincranky]

The links above show pretty much every problem that an LED LCD TV can have. Yet the manufacturer said there's nothing wrong. They also couldn't provide a whitepaper showing the allowances for any problems. The web is full of similar stories to mine. Pretty much, if you get a semi-decent LCD you're a lucky person.

I have 3 LCD TVs, all of which have to be considered, "promotional models", and have never seen anything like that.

1. A "Dynex", (Funai) 37" CCFL backlight 720p class. Looks great.

2. A 40" "Proscan" 1080p Absolutely spectacular picture, very bright.

Only problem, 1 dead pixel.

3. 46" "Insignia" LED, $329.95 from Best Buy 12:00 AM, Black Friday.

Not quite as bright as the other 2. I think this is an MVA panel, as opposed to the others, which I think are both IPS.

(The screen reacts to you pulling your finger across it visually, while the other 2 are mostly immune to that treatment).

My worst experience with an LCD panel, is a stinker of a TN 22" Samsung monitor. Can't get the green out of the color balance. If a panel won't give you lifelike skin tones, it's worthless for porn.(n)

Pay me no mind though, I don't even benchmark my computers.

 

[Lionvibez]

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-cHEUCCSOaedDc5Q3cxVy1SOWM&usp=sharing

That's taken with a weak smartphone camera, so you can imagine what it looks like IRL. This was the best of the three TV's (but it had the most problems). The other two's bottom-left corners were insane.

The links above show pretty much every problem that an LED LCD TV can have. Yet the manufacturer said there's nothing wrong. They also couldn't provide a whitepaper showing the allowances for any problems. The web is full of similar stories to mine. Pretty much, if you get a semi-decent LCD you're a lucky person.

All Tv's have issues.

And you are right LCD's have many just some people's eye site isn't good enough to notice or ignore it. Others it was never pointed out to them so they just don't know.

But sometimes ignorance is bliss.

If you have never experienced anything better how would you know.

 

[captaincranky]

That's taken with a weak smartphone camera, so you can imagine what it looks like IRL. This was the best of the three TV's (but it had the most problems). The other two's bottom-left corners were insane.....[ ].....

OK, this is oxymoronic. How can it be, "the best of the three TVs", if it has the most problems.

Perhaps, you paid the most for it, perhaps the salesman told you it would be the, "best of your TVs". But, if you're whimpering and posting videos of its shortcomings, it simply can't be the "best" of your three TVs, by any definition of standard.

All Tv's have issues.

And you are right LCD's have many just some people's eye site isn't good enough to notice or ignore it. Others it was never pointed out to them so they just don't know.

OK, if you're going to summarily claim, that some people "can't see the difference", take the time to learn how to spell it. "Sight", deals with vision, "site", simply means you've spent too much time on internet, "web sites", and, "you don't know any better".

Techspot is a great, "web sight". That'll fly, right?

But sometimes ignorance is bliss.

How about if we finish off the axiom here, OK?

"Individual ignorance is bliss, but thinking you know it all, annoys the sh!t out of everyone".

If you have never experienced anything better how would you know.

How can you persist that something is, "better", when all you do is complain about it.

OK, hand me the remote control for all the TVs on your sales wall, and tell me which ones you want sold the most. I'd bet I can make an "Insignia", look better than most others, just by setting the others to look bad.

And just for the record, "Toshiba", is this generations "Panasonic". It's garbage.

If you'll reread my post @# , you'll see the only LCD panel I ever had trouble with, was a Toshiba. Now, I'm not stupid enough to buy another piece of their crap, no matter how much brand recognition I've had pumped into me.

Yet, people persist in buying this junk, because an endless string of ads tell them to.

And yes, I said, "Samsung", but those 2 brands are inextricably linked. Look up, TSST corp, and know that their optical drives are junk as well.

 

[Lionvibez]

Thanks for correcting the spelling I'm at work posting most of the time and I do quickly cause I'm in middle of doing other things.

And yes anyone can make anything look bad. That's why you don't trust sales people, just like you don't trust post on newegg. You as the customer/end user need to educate yourself when spending your hard earned money on anything you buy. And sometimes it will mean doing research other times you need hands on. Or sometimes you need to take a friend with you that knows more about the product than you do.

Not gonna touch the what is garbage part because that is subjective to the person what you and I may think is good or garbage will vary on alot of factors to someone else. If you find 500 people that think toshiba is garbage you will find 500 more that will say they had no issues with the brand.

However you still cannot ignore facts regardless of which brand you prefer.

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ].....However you still cannot ignore facts regardless of which brand you prefer.

I"m not ignoring anyone's "facts". But you and your bud, are ignoring "mine"

If I were ignoring facts, I would say, "I don't have any problems, so you can't be having them".

I'm not blind, I know better, and I don't have any of the woes with my TVs you're yelping about..

I told you, I buy "promo class TVs", take them home, plug them in, and they work dandy./ They don't have "solar eclipses" running through them, or "comet"s, or foggy nebulae, runs, streaks,.or leaks from their feminine hygiene products.

My point is this about which is junk, and which isn't. I say the brand you're complaining about is junk, you swear up and down about how many issues you have with it, and tell tell me it's great stuff.


I keep going back to this, I have a degree in photography. I'm well capable of diagnosing imaging problems and aberrations.

I used to sell this stuff, I'm in a better position to tell you what brands got slammed back on my desk and returned, than you are.

Products such as Toshiba are this generation's "feature loaded", gimmicks.

Some of it's allright. My Blu-Ray player seems to work OK. That said, it kinda sounds like a trashing machine while it's booting a disc. If it stops booting discs, you can bet I'll be here, with tear stained cheeks.

Pioneer used to have car audio that sounded almost as good as home stereo. "Sanyo", sold products with ostensibly the same specs at half the price, but didn't even sound half as good. But, they had a lot more features....

Is it your position that I'm trying to provoke you saying I don't have any problems with my TVs? I'm not, I just don't have any real issues to complain about....

 

[cliffordcooley]

I keep going back to this, I have a degree in photography. I'm well capable of diagnosing imaging problems and aberrations.

I do believe I remember you making a statement that your father was an Electronics technician. And probably worked out details such as these for many years in CRT's. That is quite an experience there, fine tuning image quality. It is hard not to learn how to spot crappy quality, if you ever pay attention to what your father is doing.

 

[captaincranky]

CRTs had moveable parts(!). You had a yoke (*), that had to be set manually! ("focus") So, you set up a mirror in front of the huge, monster console, and adjusted it, along with the drive on the 3 separate "guns" (RBG). (Variable "trim potentiometers"). Basically you were trying to get flesh tones correct.

With that said, you're still at the mercy of "the eye of the (original) beholder", with respect to the color balance at the time of transmission.

But, color blotches and streaks in a CRT monitor, are often caused by stray magnetic fields on the tube. Which was when the "degaussing coil" came into play

(*) The "yoke" was a big electromagnet that slipped over the neck of the tube, and "bent", the electron stream, causing to line up with the "shadow mask on the tube.

With that said, I've also worked with color photographic paper in a lab setting. And hey, the instructors all had acute senses of color correctness. Everything you handed them needed to be done right, or it was back to the darkroom for a do-over.

With LCD, I think everything is set at the time of manufacture. Then the, "no user serviceable components inside" sticker goes on.

At Newegg, I see constant whining about slight differences of light across a blank screen. This is something that is practically impossible to design out. With program material in play, most people won't notice it. As I said earlier, one of my TVs has a dead pixel. When do you see it? Only when the solid black background credits roll, and then only when you're looking for it...

People blame panel response time for every artifact. The truth is, most of it is compression artifacts. You should have looked closely at the transmissions from the Bejing Olympics. The Mpeg artifacts were incredibly blatant, and the pictures looked like they were being projected onto a tile floor.

Anyway, much of my personal photography is done with extreme wide angle and fisheye lenses. These are aberrant , to say the least. Working with a RAW file, I can show you defects, you would never think to look for. Hell, half the time you leave them in to, "enhance the mood".

Living with a TV is like living with a person. You can let, "familiarity breed contempt", or enjoy the person for who they are.

 

[Lionvibez]

I"m not ignoring anyone's "facts". But you and your bud, are ignoring "mine"

If I were ignoring facts, I would say, "I don't have any problems, so you can't be having them".

I'm not blind, I know better, and I don't have any of the woes with my TVs you're yelping about..

I told you, I buy "promo class TVs", take them home, plug them in, and they work dandy./ They don't have "solar eclipses" running through them, or "comet"s, or foggy nebulae, runs, streaks,.or leaks from their feminine hygiene products.

My point is this about which is junk, and which isn't. I say the brand you're complaining about is junk, you swear up and down about how many issues you have with it, and tell tell me it's great stuff.


I keep going back to this, I have a degree in photography. I'm well capable of diagnosing imaging problems and aberrations.

I used to sell this stuff, I'm in a better position to tell you what brands got slammed back on my desk and returned, than you are.

Products such as Toshiba are this generation's "feature loaded", gimmicks.

Some of it's allright. My Blu-Ray player seems to work OK. That said, it kinda sounds like a trashing machine while it's booting a disc. If it stops booting discs, you can bet I'll be here, with tear stained cheeks.

Pioneer used to have car audio that sounded almost as good as home stereo. "Sanyo", sold products with ostensibly the same specs at half the price, but didn't even sound half as good. But, they had a lot more features....

Is it your position that I'm trying to provoke you saying I don't have any problems with my TVs? I'm not, I just don't have any real issues to complain about....

Actually I'm not sure anymore stickman is the first person you were responding too.

When I said that line about ignoring facts I meant in general not specific to you. I should have made that more clear.

I don't think you are trying to provoke at all its also not my intent. Everyone is just posting their opinions, and everyone is free to disagree or agree.

When I said ignorance is bliss before its true for most of the general market. There are people out there that like the LCDs on the bestbuy display that have the brightness/contract cranked just so the picture pops. However a properly calibrated display looks far better with more realistic colours. The Average best buy shopper thinks oo I got a great deal and this tv looks great. Its not until they go to a friends house with a better tv that is properly calibrated that they then begin to see how faded and washed out the colours look on their set. This example is something I saw first hand with friends of mine.

I'm not talking about you captain this is a general statement.

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]....When I said ignorance is bliss before its true for most of the general market. There are people out there that like the LCDs on the bestbuy display that have the brightness/contract cranked just so the picture pops. However a properly calibrated display looks far better with more realistic colours.....[ ].....

OK, here's one of our sticking points. I'm convinced that proper calibration is more of a performance factor, than the price or brand of the set. As I have said, I get the most pleasant surprises in the way of performance, in brands and places you wouldn't expect. When I bought my Proscan TV, BB didn't even unbox and plug one in. The $500.00 dollar price tag, (quite low at the time), I thought for sure this would be a clunker. It looks great.

The Average best buy shopper thinks oo I got a great deal and this tv looks great. Its not until they go to a friends house with a better tv that is properly calibrated that they then begin to see how faded and washed out the colours look on their set. This example is something I saw first hand with friends of mine.

The average American is a dullard, that thinks anything sounds or looks good. I practically cringe under my bed when I hear somebody's "spectacular" car stereo. The amps are clipping at 50%, there is no sound field perspective, or frequency balance established, and all you have is some jacka** shouting obscenities, over a 1000 watt 2 x 12" subwoofer, which you can hear a mile away. I peer out from under the covers and wretch in disgust. So, one can only imagine they use the same degree of, "finesse", when they set the picture controls on their TVs.

As to "faded and washed out", Apple is a primary offender in trying to avoid that by using glossy panels. In photo papers, glossy stock always has more c-sat and d-max than softer surfaces. With "matte" finish, you're lucky if you get charcoal gray, but with glossy, you get coal black. But, you also get room, sky, lamp, and whatever else that gives off light, bouncing off your monitor / photo paper.

Anyway, I set up a TV very similarly to the expectations I would have for a photo print. First you set the color temperature. Then set the contrast to maintain detail in both highlight and shadow areas. After that the color saturation, and color balance. But, when viewing source material from various providers, you're still going to be at the mercy of whatever "X" studio engineer thinks is, "correct". And different channels, different age of program content, etc., could all be individually optimized further. That said, TV calibration has to be a, "one size fits all", happy medium, or you'll be chasing your tail from one commercial to the next.

What I am really missing, is how someone could be so unhappy with a maker's product, yet still swear by it!...

"Crafter", (Korea), is allegedly the OEM for, "Breedlove's" Asian made guitars. (They build part of their line in the US as well). You find very few Crafters in this country, but the Breedlove brand is quite sought after and trusted. The Crafter brand, always seems to provoke a, "who the heck is that". Yet, you can ostensibly buy an equivalent Crafter, same electronics and all, for maybe 75% of the price of the Breedlove.

Which illustrates one of my pet peeves, "how much does a person know about a product, versus how much of the manufacturer's propaganda has that person ingested?

 

[cliffordcooley]

and all you have is some jacka** shouting obscenities, over a 1000 watt 2 x 12" subwoofer

Hahaha! In my case a set of 10's. Although I haven't used them in a few years, they may not currently work. They have been collecting dust in the closet for awhile. But as you say I do like frequency balance. I don't like all lows and definitely don't like all highs. Without mids, the highs drive needles in my ears. Then again I've never had anything over 600W either, and was extremely happy with not having more. Burning out alternators does get old after a few replacements.

 

[captaincranky]

I bought a full 5.1 set ofr JBL's "Venue" series, when they were being closed out. In any case the fronts are 3 way towers with dual 8" woofers in each cabinet. I bought a 10" 150 watt sub to round out the system. Honest to God, I never turn it on. Just the towers in stereo, (CD source), have plenty of "thump " for my old ears.

If you turn on the sub, the bass is great behind the speaker, but squat in front. What people don't realize is the standing wave length of 30Hz bass is 16 feet. So, if your room is shorter than 16' in both directions that low bass really can't articulate. It just mis-phases itself out of existence.

Back in the day I built a pair of JBL spec 5 CF reflex cabinets, and loaded therm with 2 D130's (15" full range), and 2 075 Ring radiators, (also used to be used for ultrasonic stop light triggers). Anyway, the 130s put out > 103 Db @ 1 watt @ 1 meter. Nooooo problem pushing the system to pain threshold with the 50 watt per channel amps of the day. They were f***ing spectacular. Not real good for hard rock in a row house, but the vocal perspective was awesome. You thought you were inside the singer's mouth. You really can't buy drivers of that quality today, without spending hundreds, if not thousands for the set of four.

I used to listen to things like Joan Baez, Diamonds and Rust at about 115DB, while trying to count the wrappings on her guitar strings. Yep, those tweeters were that accurate.

I desperately miss those speakers, but realistically speaking, I likely would have been shot dead because of them, long ago.....

 

[electrickrypt]

That's because plasmas suck!

 

[The Chad]

I bought a commercial grade LG Plasma like 4 years ago and of all the flat panels I had at the time its the only one still running. Plasma TV's have a great picture and evidently long life cycle but man it bakes my bedroom at night. Plasma tech has gottenm better over the last 4 years but the heat is just insane. My 2 60" LED TV's produce no heat but the jury is still out on Longevity.

 

[cliffordcooley]

As long as you are not this guy, the TV should last. LOL

 

[Guest]

My own Samsung PS51E6500
This TV is just simply Superb !
If you are looking to buy a Plasma TV, then please check this TV out..... the picture is fabulous !
Unlike this review, I find the 3D to be quite, quite brilliant.
I also say that the sound is quite amazing for a flat screen TV.
This TV fully deserves its five stars and the picture looks better than that of the Panasonic ST50 which I returned to get this set.
It only cost me £750.00 at the time a couple of months ago through Amazon UK.
For watching movies whether 2D or 3D, and any sports, this picture is just amazing !

Lots of people who bought the Panasonic plasma TV's all seem to complain about green blob types of screen menace ?.. Internet has many, many pages on this very subject.