So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

By vnf4ultra · 2434 replies
Jun 2, 2006
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  1. electromagnetic

    electromagnetic TS Booster Posts: 208

    That card looks a bit big, maybe get a low profile one if there out, seems to me that I can max out resolution to 1024 x 768 60MHz only. So if I set my monitor to that it gives you more frames per second ?

    Wow looks like a good performance with PCI, one thing I don't understand is how do you know and find what's bottlenecking your PCI grpahics card, in IRQ in system info says that it shares an IRQ with Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port 2662
  2. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    Yea i think you are right, it looks to be the same size as the PNY 8400GS version, which does not fit good in my tower. I may have to skip the Sparkle 8500GT( both versions ) and skip the BFG 8400GS and buy the Albatron 8400gs, seen here:

    That is a low profile 8400GS, so i will look into buying that version if the BFG 8400GS does not fit.

  3. PCIGamer

    PCIGamer TS Rookie Posts: 110

  4. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    WOW, lol hmmmmm looks like i will be skipping on buying the Diamond 4670 PCIE. So from what it looks like, i will be buying one of the 8400GS cards( albatron, bfg or sparkle ) for my P3, and for my secondary rig , pick up the 9400 GT 1GB, unless the 9500 appears by the time i get my new rig. I am going to buy the 1GB version :)

    WOOOOOOOOOOO I would like to know why sparkle keep getting the non fan versions. I have to send in a request to add the fan versions also.

    They have 4 different models
  5. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,388

    The thought of a 1GB PCI video card blows my mind. That is just ridiculous IMO. Frankly, I'm surprised that ANY company is making new PCI cards in 2009. PCI just won't die. ;)

    Also, in regards to my statement (from the first post) and Tha Generals response to it, I fully stand by what I've said, and I don't believe any of the videos posted prove otherwise. To be honest, every one of the videos looks like balls resolution at an even ballsier frame rate. Sorry bud, but "a solid 15fps" is a slideshow, not a "playable" video game. However, "playable" has a different meaning to each person, so what may not be "playable" to me may be "playable" to you. To me, a game cannot drop below 25fps at it's minimum frame rate to be "playable."
  6. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    Well its cool, and you are right, it applys to each person.

    In certain places, people are demanding them. Remember those albatron 8 series cards sold like hot cakes. I for one is very happy to see more PCI cards, because i have no plans to move on to PCIE, until PCI cards officially die. The 3450 PCI card is suppose to come out, and no telling what else. I was thinking about buying the 4670 for my secondary computer, but lol why bother, when PCI is around, i like them :)

  7. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    Hey yall, i am looking over at gpureview , it seems to be the 9400GT PCI is the best and most powerful card around. However, i guess with PCI there are limitations , which is the bad thing, only good thing, PCI cards do get the job done in gaming. I have notice tho, the 8600GT is very close to the 9400GT specs. Real close.

    I am happy to see a 9 series PCI card, however, i think with the 9400GT, they could of least up the memory from 400 to maybe 700 something. Anyways, looking at the 9400GT and 9500GT side by side:

    The 9500gt is clearly the best. Those are PCIE specs, but are really the same with PCI. I have a question tho, is GDDR3 better then DDR2 and by how much? Because the 8600GT PCI has GDDR3, and is closely to the specs of the 9400GT which only has DDR2.
  8. PCIGamer

    PCIGamer TS Rookie Posts: 110

    It is widely known that 9 series NVidia cards are just a rebranded 8 series, and overall a dissapointing line of cards. The 8600GT is faster than a 9400GT. And it would be even in a PCI solution.

    If you must have PCI, i would wait until the 8600GT's are out.
  9. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    I found the Albatron 8600GT PCI version GPU-Z shot:

    I need to see the 9400GT and 9500GT PCI GPU-Z shot, to do a accurate comparison. No rush to do so, because my next and only PC buy is the 8400GS for my p3, i will worry about all the other stuff later.

  10. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,484   +45

    gpu z wont do you justice for comparison. The stats do mean something but its a little more to it than that.
  11. FusilliJerry82

    FusilliJerry82 TS Rookie Posts: 97

    The 9400GT is outperformed by the 8600GT. The 9500GT outperforms the 8600GT by a slim margin.

    Benchmarks of these cards in PCIe WILL NOT be the same or even close to the same in PCI. The 8600GT in PCIe benchmarks in the mid 4000's in 3Dmark06 and in the mid 1000's in PCI. THAT is why you move to PCIe. THERE IS NO REASON TO BUY A PCI CARD WHEN YOU HAVE PCIe. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING DIFFERENT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. Usually for something to be a favorite (PCI), there's a reason. You've yet to provide one.

    Paying extra for 1GB on a 9400GT as opposed to 512MB, especially in PCI, is probably the biggest waste of money I've seen in a long while. 512MB vs. 1GB of RAM was shown not to make a difference (as in absolutely no difference in 3dmark and games) for cards as late as the 4870 until you get to using resolutions like 1920 x 1200 and above, which I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're not using, not that the 9400GT could handle that with any amount of RAM anyway.
  12. FusilliJerry82

    FusilliJerry82 TS Rookie Posts: 97

    Actually, where is this 9500GT you refer to?
  13. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,484   +45

    this is why I said gpu z screen shots dont mean for a lot.
  14. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    I am not trying to be different, i just happen to have a p3 which only has 4 PCI slots, thus i like using pci cards. They get the job done with gaming, my games are playing fine and the ones which are not , its only because of my CPU speed and over system specs, but using pci cards, i never have a problem with them dealing with games. Talking about moving on, well i just don't care about none of that really, i mean its no rush to buy my secondary computer. I am happy with my p3, which i have been using since 2000. I will buy my secondary computer when i get ready i guess, but again, no rush :)

    Anyways, yea it does seems that the 9400gt is slightly weaker then the 8600gt. But that gpu-z shot could be anything, even tho the link goes directly to the albatron 8600gt pci version, but who knows. As for the 9400GT or even the unreleased 9500GT PCI versions, until someone has the gpu-z pci version, i am not sure which is better. The PCI 9400GT might have better stats then the 8600gt., but i am not worry about those cards right, but when i get my new rig, that 9400GT 1GB will be in my house :) Unless i find the 9500GT.

  15. PCIGamer

    PCIGamer TS Rookie Posts: 110

    There is no way a 9400GT would be better than an 8600GT. Certainly not in a PCI solution.

    As others have mentioned, a 1 Gig 9400GT (at over $100 at newegg) is an expensive rip-off. It wont provide any benefit over the 512 Meg version.

    The 9400GT PCI would barely be an upgrade over an 8400GS PCI. The only good thing i see is the 128Meg Interface. Don't get sucked into the whole 9 series card hype. I had a 9500GT PCI-E and its a terrible card.

    I returned it and upgraded to a 9600GT instead which is a fantastic budget gaming card and a solid performer at anything up to 1440x900
  16. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    The 9500gt or the 9400gt cards are just fine, actually real good. Just go over to youtube and check out some of the videos.
    Now of course they are PCIE versions, but still.

  17. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    Who said PCI cards are bottlnecks?

    I just put my 2400HD back in( was using my 6200 ever since i had to reinstall windows 2000 over again about 2 weeks ago ). My PC is in " standard mode now ", don't know what it is exactly , but my IRQ's are fixed now. Before alot of devices was shared with 2400HD, but now instead of my sound card, etc and other stuff being shared with the 2400hd, now my 2400HD is IRQ 11 completely separate from the sound and those other devices. The only thing shared with my 2400HD is well of course the PCI standard PCI to PCI bridge.

    So anyways, just played COD4 again, at 1280x1024 Normal to hight settings, NO AA, AF Full, texture resolution at " extra settings " and i get between 7 - 30fps. WOW, this game runs smooth as hell now. Here is some snaps:

    I can only wonder if i had a P4 using this 2400HD. I am using a Pentium III with COD4 and i get performance like this, amazing lol. Its no way PCI cards are bottleneck, i think people have their pc's config wrong, and thats the problem. Just my opinion, but man i love pci cards :)
  18. iMoose

    iMoose TS Rookie Posts: 57

    Wow, this was a long thread.

    And I actually think I know LESS about what card to get now.

  19. FusilliJerry82

    FusilliJerry82 TS Rookie Posts: 97

    If you're talking about these being an alternative to buying an all-new computer with a 4670, maybe. You'd still probably save money in the long run with vastly better performance, but I'll let that go. But it sounded like you were intending to buy a PCI 9500GT instead of a 4670 in a new computer with a PCIe slot, which is just stupid. If that's not what you meant, fine.

    Facts say it. The exact same card in PCI scores roughly 1/4 that of the PCIe version. That's the definition of a bottleneck.

    7-30 is not excellent. Playable maybe.

    The 9400 does not outperform the 8600. I'll put money on that, and not based on one person's opinion but on specs and benchmarks. The 9500 maybe.

    Basically you're hopeless. You're continually faced with why what you keep purporting to be superior isn't, then seem to admit it and the next post are back to singing the graces of the P4, and so we keep going in circles. Honestly I couldn't care what you do, but the danger here is that people who read this are going to think yours is the way to go because they don't know what 7-30 FPS looks like and its simply not acceptable for most.

    Case in point: the immediately above post.

    iMoose, what are your current specs, what are you looking to run and what's your budget?
  20. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    I think if albatron gets their act together, they can ship their cards to the US to newegg , and get a pretty good profit back. But i have no idea why they are doing. Robert from albatron told me, i have to talk with sarah about that part, she deals with the us market in albatron products. I guess i will send them a email soon about it. Would be nice to see the 8600gt's over at newegg and bestbuy's.
  21. FusilliJerry82

    FusilliJerry82 TS Rookie Posts: 97

    General, what model Gateway do you have? Have you ever at least considered a CPU upgrade?
  22. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,484   +45

    Sorry mate, this thread wasnt meant to be long at all. I thought simple questions were to be posted here, not benchmarks of 15-30 fps games. I think thageneral has found the only thread on the internet where he feels at home. We're still trying to figure out of that's a good thing, being as though this thread is so damn long now.

    I wish an admin would get it under control.
  23. Tha General

    Tha General TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,106

    I talk about pci cards elsewhere, couple people on my youtube page game with pci and a friend over at guru3d does too. This thread here at techspot, well i really was just sharing new pci cards finds, how we got started on fps, who knows lol

    Its 600mhz, don't know why it says 598.

    I thought about upgrading above 600mhz to maybe 1ghz, but then i said why bother when i am buying a secondary desktop computer with 2.4ghz or higher. 600mhz is just fine on this p3, and besides i really don't feel conformable changing it. I better just leave it be, to be on the safe side. :)
  24. FusilliJerry82

    FusilliJerry82 TS Rookie Posts: 97

    Yes but what is the model of the tower? Like the model number on the front of the tower.

    From 600Mhz to 1Ghz is definitely worth looking at considering a 1Ghz PIII/100Mhz FSB at my preferred source for older processors is only $9. And replacing a CPU is not tough at all, the hardest part is getting the heatsink off and back on which isn't a big deal when you take a good look at how its done.

    But possibly your motherboard supports Tualatin-core Celerons (which have the same L2 cache as older Coppermine core PIII's (yours) with a smaller manufacturing process, which makes it basically a continuation of scale of performance for 100Mhz FSB PCs) up to 1.4Ghz, which would definitely be worth looking into if its compatible. I used a slotket adapter to use a 1.4Ghz Tualatin in my Dell that uses Slot-1 processors. The performance wasn't bad processor-wise; apparently a 1.4ghz P3 outperforms the P4 up to 1.7-1.8Ghz. When I had an FX5950 Ultra in it, it ran Battlefield 2 on lowest settings.

    That's why I ask.
  25. iMoose

    iMoose TS Rookie Posts: 57

    Ok, don't laugh.....

    I've got a T3958 w/ a Socket 478 Celeron D 340 2.93GHz.

    I think it's good, and I know there's LOTS of room for improvement.

    I've been trying to consider future upgrades that let me retain RAM, etc.

    Currently on a quest to find the right new mobo. And was considering a video card to supplement the onboard graphics usually found on the mobo's I'm finding that would allow me to retain the Crucial DDR RAM I just spent an arm and a leg on!


    Scrap the whole 478 plan, buy an AMD 4850e to put in my laptop, and then find an AM2 mobo to allow me to use the laptop's current AMD 2650e in my desktop.

    I know, sounds complicated. It's hard being cheap sometimes! lol

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