So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

I know that what you PCI Express x16 users are saying that is best for gaming totally. But you can still play some games alright on a PCI card. Not really fast but have a good quality game for US THAT DON'T HAVE PCI EXPRESS x16/AGP slots.

You get more fps on a express/agp. But with some Integrated is the speed and game play the same. I'm not comparing it to express/agp only PCI.

This thread is getting confusing by people that are saying PCI is not good for new games but there's no honest compare.

Tha General. Could you make a video of Bioshock & Team fortress 2 if you got it.
 
Some games agreed, but not all, and definitely not modern games like Crysis. I refuse to believe it runs well on an 8400GS. That card is NOT designed for a game like Crysis, but I bet even the PCI-E version will run the game better.

You are just fooling yourself if you think sticking with PCI is a "smart" move. That or maybe your definition of smart is based on your own limited understanding.
 
The laws of physics?

Im gonna take another crack at this.....for the same reason that it bothers me that people are being misled into buying antiquated hardware with false expectations, when their $100 could be going to the purchase of the new rig they really need to play the new title they want to, so here goes. in order to get the results that The General reports, you would have to break the laws of physics. and here's why.

The Generals Rig (or very close)

pc 100/133 bandwidth-800 mb/s
8400 gs interface -64 bit
PCI 32 - 64 33 - 100 mhz 132 - 800 mb/s
CPU 600mhz single core

these are the bandwidths and or frequencies of three of the main components involved whilst gaming.....
now consider the hardware requirements for a game like Crysis......

DDR2 bandwidth-3.2 gb/s
8800 gt interface-256 bit
PCIe x16 1 × 16 2500 / 5000 mhz 4000 / 8000 mb/s
2.2 ghz dual core

from these numbers it appears that the PCI setup is out gunned about 4 to 1, except for the difference between the pci/pcie speed and bandwidth which is
10 to 1. and this is without taking into account port type,clock rates,processing power,chipsets, modern cpu architecture, and a whole host of other modern efficiencies that considerably widen the performance gap between the two. but.... we don't need those as the moving about of all those 1's and 0's is a weakest link scenario, so these will do. and just a brief aside. the requirements listed by crytek to run crysis are for medium settings and are full of hiccups,stutters. and lags, you can google for testimony by angry Crysis purchasers who were dismayed when they had this hardware in place, and at times had a slide show on their hands. you can have a look here
https://www.techspot.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/502
to see what 'the General' is claiming(.20 fps) it says pentium 4....then it says pentium 3. it says high settings...then it says medium.and its academic anyway. but it does say 1280x1024. you would do about as well to run a pair of Hercules in crossfire (that was an attempt at humor) :)the only way he is getting that result is if he has a 12' monitor, and staring at the ceiling indoors while a truce being called, or,of course, breaking the laws of physics. the bandwidth simply does not exist with these cards, much less the components that they are paired with for this era in computing. I refer you back to page one of this mess where VnF4ultra had it right almost 3 years ago.
 
Buying a pci card is just a good cheap way to upgrade an old system and you should never spend more then 100$ on one. I bought a 6200 pci (50$) card a year or so ago for this old rig im on right now, then this was the best pci you could get and for a good reason, it is very out dated technology, its like comparing video tapes to blue ray dvds to tell you the truth. If you want to play high end games requirement wise, do not buy a pci card, save and buy a whole new system, get like a new mobo\processor for 200$ and then buy a pci-e video card for 50-100$ or so. Thats if you want to do it nice and cheap and still play high end games with med-high settings. Make sure everything is compatible etc. Actaually though you will probably need a lcd monitor to go along with it for 100-150$ bucks to actually enjoy see the major improvement graphics wise in either case.

If you play old or low end requirement games and dont plan to move up anytime soon a pci card is for you. If you want your old rig to run better, a pci card is definitely for you. Pci card 6200+ with 1k ram does wonders for your computer, but is nothing in the face of high end games. I cannot even play the new wow expansion with this card.

pcix4
agpx8
pci-ex16
thats the bottom line

Im not a computer wizz by far, but its easy to understand.
 
FusilliJerry82 said:
A 6200 is an awful investment in any situation at this point. Don't consider one.
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Tha General said:
yea i agree, 6200 is an amazing card, however i wouldn't bother it in 2009. Just buy a 8 or 9 series PCI card.
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How did you agree with FusilliJerry82, he said it was awful, you say amazing. If you associate the 6200 with amazing what is a 8 or 9 series card. Stupendous? Phenomenal? Oh my gtx 295 was made my Aliens!

Nothing in the pci series should be considered amazing. At least to date.
 
Boy.....

Everybody seeems to be getting so dang excited about this guy's passion.

So he loves PCI, or maybe the pulling of legs. Who cares? Anybody with brain cell 1, has probably figured it out after 75 pages of posts.

I personally think people give advice to go buy new systems far too often.

Staying on the cutting edge of technology isn't cheap, or easy.

Getting some more life out of an ol' faithful pc in this tough economy isn't such a bad idea.

Although that's probably the LAST thing game and hardware makers want you to think. I bet they LOVE people that chant "buy a new pc and constantly upgrade!"
 
supersmashbrada said:
How did you agree with FusilliJerry82, he said it was awful, you say amazing. If you associate the 6200 with amazing what is a 8 or 9 series card. Stupendous? Phenomenal? Oh my gtx 295 was made my Aliens!
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I only agree with him to what he said about not buying one now in this time. But of course i disagree with him to what he said about the card being awful. The card is old , but far from being awful , unless he only plays games at 50-60fps or something.

Just go to youtube and check out all the videos that has the geforce 6200. If you have the right setup, you can use the 6200 for pretty much alot of games at decent performance. BUT for someone to say the card is awful, that makes no sense.

iMoose said:
Everybody seeems to be getting so dang excited about this guy's passion.
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I don't even post in this thread that much anymore, yea i use pci and i love pci cards. I pretty much like all cards, whatever it be pci, agp or pcie. I just happen to use pci and i have no problems playing any of my games. Well of course some new games are pretty demanding, some anyway, but i could just play them when i get my new rig.

On another note, i did buy myself a dell desktop computer with 3.0ghz, a Pentium 4, however i had to take it back, problem with the PSU, and the guy was trying to cheat me out of my money, so i don't have this computer anymore, so i said fu** it, i am just going to continue to use my p3, and buy a new computer sometime next year or so. This time from best buy, i am just going to go ahead and spend 500 bucks on that gateway pentium dual core, but i don't feel like spending 500 dollars right now, so looks like i will be gaming with my p3 as my main computer for a long time to come.
 
iMoose said:
Everybody seeems to be getting so dang excited about this guy's passion.

I personally think people give advice to go buy new systems far too often.

Staying on the cutting edge of technology isn't cheap, or easy.

Getting some more life out of an ol' faithful pc in this tough economy isn't such a bad idea.
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Agreed, but spending more than $300-400 in upgrades is a bad idea when you can actually get a new system that is eons faster for that much. It is only in these situations that building a new system would be the best way to go.

As for "people getting excited", the whole point everyone is trying to make is that if we have a newbie with a Dell E310 or similar PC who comes and looks at Tha General's falsified posts about the performance he supposedly gets from PCI cards, will probably consider spending $100 on a PCI 9400GT when he/she could have easily saved up another $200 or more and gotten a much faster PC on the whole. An E5200 with a 9800GT is not exactly what anyone would call bleeding-edge, but is sure as hell faster than a P4 equipped with an X1950PRO or any other high-end AGP card for much lesser than what a single X1950PRO would cost now. The same argument\analogy applies to PCI cards as well.
 
The bottom line, people should enjoy or buy whatever the hell they want to buy and if someone doesn't like it, well so be it. I for one, is very happy with my powerful pentium III. :)

On another note, i recently bought a dell optiplex gx280 with 2 pci slots and 1 green agp x4 slot, 3.0ghz. However, i had to take it back , because of a powersupply issue, and well the guy likes get over on people, lol back to my lovely p3 lol.
 
We dont care if you want to indulge in old tech. We care about you using confusing descriptions of pci technology. Associating "awesome," or "great." and even "powerful," as you just did about a p3 or pci hardware. We just ask that you keep your confusing opinions to yourself. Being as though your knowledge on vga's is apparently minimalistic its almost upsetting to hear you describe how great something is, and you clearly have a very small spectrum of descriptive words for pci cards because they all seem quite off to me.
 
Ok... I've finally bought my Sparkle GeForce 8400 GS 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI. Yay!
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187042

BUT... After uninstalling my old Fx5200, removing it, and swapping around my sound card for a different slot, (purely for room, passive cooling on new card is huge,) my computer won't recognize that there is new hardware in the slot. Yes I have tried to manually install with Add hardware tool in XP. No dice. I did try putting the old card in and the bios switched from my chipset to that vga and ran the new hardware install automatically like it was supposed too, just not with the 8400.

I updated my original chipset driver too if it matters. Help would be very much appreciated.
 
I had a issue similar to on an old pci e board. When i went to install the software for my soundcard I received an error message. "could not detect hardware." It was solved by uninstalling all sound drivers before I put the pci sound card in and then trying reinstall.
 
Let me be clear... the sound card is recognized, its the new video card that is not "seen" at all by my computer, no matter which pci slot it is in.
 
TechProbie said:
Let me be clear... the sound card is recognized, its the new video card that is not "seen" at all by my computer, no matter which pci slot it is in.
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DOA? Have you tried the card in another system to verify that it works?

[humor] I was thinking of starting a new thread. I think it will be called "So you only have ISA slots and want to play Crysis?" J/K ROFL [/humor]
 
Well I've tried installing the 8400gt on a similar comp to my own. It was a Dell Dimension E310, with a Pentium 4, with chipset graphics, (didn't copy the specs of chipset.) Long story short, nothing happened. So I've come to the conclusion that I either have a bad card, (not unreasonable,) or my powersupply is too weak. I doubt the latter as I have a dell factory 120w ps. I've been reading around and common consensus is that they are underrated.

Now I have not ruled out that it could still be something else completely unrelated. Advise would be greatly appreciated.
 
Do you have any idea how weak 120W is? The standard minimum nowadays is 300W.

My quad-core processor probably consumes 120W itself. That's why I still don't buy that general is running an 8400GS problem-free with 90W.

Did you disable the on-board video in the BIOS?
 
TechProbie said:
Well I've tried installing the 8400gt on a similar comp to my own. It was a Dell Dimension E310, with a Pentium 4, with chipset graphics, (didn't copy the specs of chipset.) Long story short, nothing happened. So I've come to the conclusion that I either have a bad card, (not unreasonable,) or my powersupply is too weak. I doubt the latter as I have a dell factory 120w ps. I've been reading around and common consensus is that they are underrated.

Now I have not ruled out that it could still be something else completely unrelated. Advise would be greatly appreciated.
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My guess a bad card, do you have any other cards that work with your computer?
Also its not your PSU, unless its dying. I have a BFG 8400GS 512MB
http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr84512gsp.aspx

The Power Requirement is 300. I have 90watts. The card loaded up just fine from the start, after disabling my onboard video. And it works just fine.
 
TechProbie said:
Ok... I've finally bought my Sparkle GeForce 8400 GS 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI. Yay!
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187042

BUT... After uninstalling my old Fx5200, removing it, and swapping around my sound card for a different slot, (purely for room, passive cooling on new card is huge,) my computer won't recognize that there is new hardware in the slot. Yes I have tried to manually install with Add hardware tool in XP. No dice. I did try putting the old card in and the bios switched from my chipset to that vga and ran the new hardware install automatically like it was supposed too, just not with the 8400.

I updated my original chipset driver too if it matters. Help would be very much appreciated.
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You got to go into device manager and disable Intel Integrated graphics.

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19250192/19402518.aspx#19402518
 
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