So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[PCIGamer]

It's really funny this thread we PCI /maybe PCI Express x1 graphic cards users only have that, gaming on PCI is known by you PCI Express x16 users is bad. Have any of you compared PCI to PCI Express x16, Yes or No.

Yes

 

[truebluefun]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4319088&Sku=M452-2671 A
Hows deal look to ya??

 

[teklord]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4319088&Sku=M452-2671 A
Hows deal look to ya??

Make sure it fits in your case before you install it. You will have to tattoo the mobo if you are going to use it with the hard drive that came with your HP OEM system. Contact HP tech support online about how to do that. If you don't want to do all that, then get the 9400GT from Sparkle but it's performance is nowhere close to even a nVidia 6 series card on PCI-e slots.

 

[truebluefun]

It comes with a HD.....The only thing i have to put in is a dvd drive and a VC....I am thinking...

 

[LinkedKube]

It's really funny this thread we PCI /maybe PCI Express x1 graphic cards users only have that, gaming on PCI is known by you PCI Express x16 users is bad. Have any of you compared PCI to PCI Express x16, Yes or No.

Which is real strange is the cards going on sale there all are very difficult to find unless you buy online at certain places, in parts of the world you have trouble finding them, it's good vnf4ultra that you updated the first post to advise which cards to buy. What should this thread be about how games are on PCI cards or upgrading to play basic games only on a computer with Integrated graphics mobo without PCI Express x16 or AGP. What about people with PCI Express x1 slot like me is that the same.

The test parameters are limited by hardware. We all know the max bandwidth for pci cards. We assume that basic information that can be found around the net(probably hundreds of articles) would lead us in the right direction for upgrades and comparisons of these different hardwares. We know that even most of the lowest end of pci e cards outperform most of the high end pci cards. So why even try to test a pci e card against a pci card. The pci e owners that post(ed) in this thread know about pci cards, along with the later pci e standard.

There are some post here that mean "nill" and dont help people actually looking for a solution. From people that obviously dont know much about pci E. An example would be you posted a link to an article a few pages back about a person having trouble with high "pci e" card in CoD4 when in fact he was using a mobile computer and that was the primary reason for his issues. Thus making your effort of proving a point quite pointless.

My point is...stick to what you know.

 

[Tha General]

Hey guys, my patience has run out and i am going to buy the 8400GS 512MB BFG Version today for 100 dollars. Yea i am a sucker, but i don't care , its my last PCI card, so its all good. I am tired of waiting lol for any of the other pci cards to ship to stores, which doesn't seem possible.
I am also going out trying to find a secondary computer as well, a cheap one if i can find one.

Anyways, here is the card i am buying.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0507000&type=category

Will post the GPU-Z later or sometime tomorrow.

I said my patience as run out, because i wanted that evga 8400gs version, its slightly faster in stats, and its cheaper at newegg, but i don't buy online anymore , i never really did anyways , all my computer stuff i bought in stores, and reason being they do not sell the evga version , so lol oh well i have the money. But its my last pci card, so again its cool.

 

[FusilliJerry82]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4319088&Sku=M452-2671 A
Hows deal look to ya??

Money-wise its a pretty good deal except I don't like that they give you 1 2Gb stick and 1 1GB stick, because that will make it run in single-channel mode, which is slower.

Let me update my list to see if I can't do better for the same price.

 

[Tha General]

I haven't bought it yet, just got back from looking around, i will buy it tomorrow or monday, most likely tomorrow. Its going to be the bfg version tho.

But someone on youtube bought the EVGA version 8400gs pci, here is the stats:

He did OC as you can see, says it says at 60c.

 

[LinkedKube]

Bandwidth is pretty much maxed out, even if he could get it cooler, a higher oc wouldn't help much, but as long as he's playing sims, and some older games it would work well.

 

[Tha General]

Hey teklord or if anyone reading this i have a question about the Visiontek X1300 256MB PCI card.

Can someone confirm to me what the real core and memory on it and bandwidth?
Looking over at gpureview it says its 450/266, however everyone else says its 533/450 with 12.8 bandwidth.

I found a x1300 at my local walmart for 30 dollars, i might buy it along with my 8400gs bfg when i get that also. Just wanted to make sure what the correct stats were, because i am reading different else where, unless there are 2 different x1300 pci versions?

I can't find the box art, but its not the same art as the ones shown online in google, with the first. Its a different one.

 

[FusilliJerry82]

Why buy something if you don't need it?

The 1xxx series besides the 19xx were underwhelming.

 

[PCIGamer]

Anyways, here is the card i am buying.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0507000&type=category

You are spending $100 dollars on that card. It is not worth it. You will get very little performance increase, if any at all. Your PSU will probably not handle that card very well either, even though you claim it will work fine - sure it will..until it doesnt. And finally that BFG card seem to be full profile, like the PNY 8400gs.

And you also want to buy the X1300 for $30. If you really want a new card, just get the 1300 and forget the 8400gs. $100 is a complete rip-off for that card.

Better yet, save the $130 and put some extra in and get/build a new machine. The specs in my sig cost me $370 to put together. I dont claim i got the best price either but I have a solid gaming rig that runs fantastic at anything up to 1440x900.

 

[FusilliJerry82]

Seriously, just keep the 2400. In PCIe form its only a LITTLE slower than an 8400GS, and in PCI the difference is probably slim to none.

It's not worth buying another card.

 

[Tha General]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I JUST BOUGHT the BFG 8400GS PCI card. WOOOOOOOO
Its still in the box, just trying to install my printer right now, so i can scan the box and card and brag a bit hehehe.

I paid 106 dollars for it.

 

[FusilliJerry82]

Ugh, paying $106 for a card bested by an 8400GS in PCIe for $15 after rebate is hardly bragging. That $106 would go a long way toward the new computer.

 

[Tha General]

Best PCI card i ever own, i luv this card. And 90watts is not a issue with it. Also , i thought the card was the same size as the pny version, but its not. It fit right in , and games are performing about 3x or 4x times faster.

On a side note, i am not really sure if this is my last pci card, i may stick to my word and continue using pci even whenever i get my secondary rig, going to look into buying very soon the 8600gt or 9 series cards(fan versions).

peace

 

[LinkedKube]

This thread is becoming a personal pci blog instead of a help thread.

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

I concur. It serves to give people the wrong impression that buying a $100 PCI card is much better than saving up to upgrade to a newer system.

 

[red1776]

Ummm....what?

Best PCI card i ever own, i luv this card. And 90watts is not a issue with it. Also , i thought the card was the same size as the pny version, but its not. It fit right in , and games are performing about 3x or 4x times faster.

On a side note, i am not really sure if this is my last pci card, i may stick to my word and continue using pci even whenever i get my secondary rig, going to look into buying very soon the 8600gt or 9 series cards(fan versions).

peace

Hmmmm, 3-4 times better Gracie? it seems that a few pages ago you were claiming 20fps playing crisis. so now your getting what? 60-80fps? . Gentelman, If you go back and read only a few pages back, I know have to believe that the General is doing his impression of denny Green and having a spot of fun with us lads, he cannot possibly believe the results he post's! so I say well done General!......i just hope your bit of teasing hasnt caused to many legacy machine owners to spend thier dollars on Pci cards and expect those results.

 

[red1776]

I get it! very funny! :haha:
BFG NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB PCI

Performance
GPU NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400 GS
Core Clock 567MHz
Shader Clock 1400MHz
Shader Model 4.0
Texture Fill Rate 4.5 Billion/sec.
Stream Processors 16
Memory
Video Memory 512MB
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Data Rate 666MHz
Memory Interface 64-bit
Memory Bandwidth 5.3GB/sec.
Connections
Bus Type PCI
Display Connectors Dual-Link DVI-I, VGA, TV Out
RAMDACs Dual 400MHz
Multiple Monitor Support Yes
HDCP Capable Yes, Dual link (Requires other compatible components which are HDCP capable. Designed to meet the output protection management (HDCP) and security specifications of the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats, allowing the playback of encrypted movie content on PCs when connected to HDCP-compliant displays)
HDMI™ Capable No
NVIDIA® SLI® Support No
Included In Box
> BFG NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400 GS 512MB graphics card
> Quick install guide
> Driver CD, which includes: NVIDIA ForceWare unified graphics drivers and Full installation manual .pdf
System Requirements
> 256MB of system memory
> CD or DVD-ROM drive
> 100MB of available hard disk drive space for basic driver installation
> Microsoft® Windows Vista™ or XP operating system (A system BIOS update may be required when using this graphics card in some motherboards with the Microsoft® Windows Vista™ operating system)
> One vacant PCI 2.0 (or better) slot
> 300W system power supply

 

[PCIGamer]

I am convinced that he is nothing but a troll. He constantly asks for advice and just ignores everyone. So why ask in the first place??

a summary of the last 30 pages

----

"Hey guys look at me, I run crysis on a P3,

Hey guys im upgrading my PC soon!, i will let everyone know when i get it!,

Hey guys, i just got ripped off at best-buy spending $100 on a card not even worth $30!!

Hey guys, zomg! my 8400gs runs everything 3-4x faster!"

Hey guys, umm im not going PCI-E anymore, im sticking with PCI, im gonna get the 8600gt or a 9 series - and I will let everyone know when i get it!!!! The 8400gs i bought doesnt perform a single FPS better than my older cards yet i claim it does, so im gonna upgrade *once again* in search of better performance!"

-----

key phrase : "I will let everyone know when i get it!!"

peace

 

[red1776]

ummmmm...continued

you paid $106.00 for a $50.00 card?? why?

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[Tha General]

Hmmmm, 3-4 times better Gracie?

Yes with certain games, i am getting 3-4 times the performance from what i got with my 6200 or 2400hd. Crysis only about 2x better, not 3-4. Crysis and warhead are demanding games, if you set them up on high levels. I can play crysis just fine at 1280x1024 all low , and get 15-30fps. Only thing, playing at low when i already seen how high to medium look , well no point in playing at low settings. So at high to medium to low, at 1280x1024 i get 9-17fps. Might not be playable for others, but its damn sure playable to me. No stutter, no pausing or anything.

But with other games, they are work amazing. Flatout 2 i could never play at 1280x1024 32bit, AAX2 and post processing at very high settings , now i can. And i get between 17-30fps. Even tho post processing is a bit like HDR , makes everything bright, a little too bright, so i kinda leave that off, which bumps up the fps to 20-40.

you paid $106.00 for a $50.00 card?? why?
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It seems like you don't know. I already had the PNY 8400gs before, couple months back, mid last year 2008. I had to take it back, because it overwritten my onboard sound and plus the card is boat looking. Its too big and wide, i had to force it in.

But with the BFG 8400gs, it is slightly larger then my BFG 6200. However, its a perfect fit and works wonderful.

This thread is becoming a personal pci blog instead of a help thread.

Well alot of people is not using pci anymore, its a thread about pci in general. Discussion, benchmarks, etc.

Rage_3K_Moiz

I don't think thats true. I think everyone is fully aware that spending 100 dollars on a pci card is not better then buying a new rig. I never said PCI cards are the most powerful, i said they are good for gaming, which is true. For anyone to deny that, they know nothing about pci cards.

But again, i never said pci cards are the most powerful. Clearly agp or pcie cards are way more powerful.

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

I don't think thats true. I think everyone is fully aware that spending 100 dollars on a pci card is not better then buying a new rig. I never said PCI cards are the most powerful, i said they are good for gaming, which is true. For anyone to deny that, they know nothing about pci cards.

It absolutely is. By spending so much money on a PCI card and saying how 9-17FPS is "perfectly playable", as you say here.

Yes with certain games, i am getting 3-4 times the performance from what i got with my 6200 or 2400hd. Crysis only about 2x better, not 3-4. Crysis and warhead are demanding games, if you set them up on high levels. I can play crysis just fine at 1280x1024 all low , and get 15-30fps. Only thing, playing at low when i already seen how high to medium look , well no point in playing at low settings. So at high to medium to low, at 1280x1024 i get 9-17fps. Might not be playable for others, but its damn sure playable to me. No stutter, no pausing or anything.

To someone that does not know what FPS are and how many FPS define playable performance, you are basically misleading them into thinking that 17FPS is anything other than a slideshow.

And as far as "good for gaming" goes, that is also a misleading statement. Any modern game that has come after 2006 will run horribly on a PCI card, (not including games based on the Source engine, which allows you to run the game in DX7 and DX8\8.1 modes).

I think vnfultra should clearly state that you should not hope to run any new games like Crysis or Mirror's Edge on a PCI card, it is mainly beneficial to play for games like WoW and The Sims 2 that are not very demanding. That is the only thing that is allowing you to post BS like this and misleading other people who own rigs with only PCI slots. If you want to brag about "PCI being l33t", do so in a separate thread of your own, not in this thread.

 

[LinkedKube]

Well alot of people is not using pci anymore, its a thread about pci in general. Discussion, benchmarks, etc.

Rage_3K_Moiz

I don't think thats true. I think everyone is fully aware that spending 100 dollars on a pci card is not better then buying a new rig. I never said PCI cards are the most powerful, i said they are good for gaming, which is true. For anyone to deny that, they know nothing about pci cards.

But again, i never said pci cards are the most powerful. Clearly agp or pcie cards are way more powerful.

PCI cards run games, or todays games on a minimum level of performance. This thread is to help people who have pci cards. Not to misdirect them. And for you to say people know nothing about pci cards because they say they arent good for gaming is rediculous. Clearly you're the one that's lost here. This thread is not about benchmarking. We know you're new in town so let us key you in. And no one said that you every typed "pci cards are the most powerful cards." BUT, what you need to do is keep it simple here.

People coming to this thread ARENT PLAYING CRYSIS, OR ANY GAME SIMILAR TO IT. If you want to brag about hardware, do it on a blogging site. You dont see me or Rage or anyone else, saying "oh, I got a 4870x2, or gtx295." This is what the "specs" area is right next to your name. Check your messages, if someone wants to ask you about how "cool" your card is, they'll message you, because there are no questions here. Apparently either no one cares, or...no one cares. All I'm asking is to keep it simple.