So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

No one cares about the 27 fps you got when standing still looking at the sky. 90% of that clip your fps was around 11fps or so. And who cares about 800x600, I think I have that resolution on my zune. No one wants there game to look like a game of colorful tetris. So why even mention that resolution. My point still stands. You actually just gave everyone what they wanted with that clip. Your fps getting as low as 8.6 and 10ish while moving around, but you proclaim higher. My advise would be to edit the post and delete the link to the clip. If your fps is that low, there's no way its higher at a higher resolution, in which is what you stated above, which doesnt make since with your card, or even my card. Totally backwards.
 
1280x1024 aax2, gamer to low to mainstream 18-30fps. You seen 10-15fps, if you look closely because i am recording with fraps, fraps decreases performance, but i have already proved to you and everyone from photos, i don't need to show you anymore proof, you can believe what you want.
 
Thank you for proving me right, in plain view.

As soon as you're not standing still, your FPS drops to ~10fps. Which means you were indeed cherry picking your screen shots, and which means you're never getting the frame rates you're so adamantly claiming to get.

You want us to believe that FRAPS induces a 50% (And even more, according to you !) performance hit ?
 
supersmashbrada said:
What ever happen to that program that you ran which showed your ave fps at 7 throughout the demo. I know you're posting what you see, but computers done lie(much) with results. Doesnt crysis have a program in which it calculates your average fps over x amount of time?
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Yes, in the Bin32 folder called Benchmark_GPU.bat.
 
Yukikaze said:
You want us to believe that FRAPS induces a 50% (And even more, according to you !) performance hit ?
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Yes. Last night i was playing COD 1 for the first time ever , and on my rig at 1280x1024 full screen AA, max settings(using the 8400gs), i get between 57-130fps, and guess what when recording with fraps, it drops say from 95 all the way down to 8-11fps, so i had to turn down the resolution to 1024x768 , remove aa and take off i think it was shadows and from 95 it drop to around 27fps.
 
I've read others reporting FRAPS to cause about a 50% hit in frame rate as well. You could try Hypercam 2, that may work better in some applications.

You want to use the 9400GT General? I say great,but I have a hard time believing your claims as well when my more powerful machine struggles with Crysis. I get constant 30 FPS in Crysis demo on all low settings. When I use the Very High XP hack, I get about 10-12 FPS constant before I get BSOD'ed. Resolution is 1280x1024 AAx2. My GPU is way more powerful than yours and my CPU is more powerful as well, but your claims are ballpark to my proven results. On CoD 1 demo, the framerate drops below 30 FPS when there are a lot of soldiers on the screen, so I have no idea how you can possibly get "57-130fps" with a 8400GS PCI card setup. On a side note, I have played through all 4 difficulties of Call of Duty 1 with nothing but a 2.8 GHz Celeron and Intel Integrated Graphics with a 0-5 FPS average.

Unfortunately, my machine doesn't get dramatically different results in my HD 3850 AGP from what a 9500GT PCI would produce because of CPU bottleneck, but it still is better and I will take that over PCI any day. It may be only twice the framerate at best in the HD 3850 AGP over 9500GT PCI instead of 5-6 times like this card is capable of.

PCI cards have helped me in the past and will help others as a stopgap solution only. I will never use them as a first option and I hope to never have to resort to using them again in my future PC's.
 
For those who want to see how the PCI evga 9400gt stats is:

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Someone bought it over at guru3d, thats really interesting stats

Teklord, i am not buying a 9400gt. For that quad later this year, i plan to buy a 8600gt pci and 4350. For this system i have now, my main one, i am moving on to pcie and buying a 4550 and a 9600gt or 9500gt. And yes COD1 works great, just poorly recording. I have my 2400 back in, i will show you some benchmarks soon
 
Interesting and informative screenshot General, thanks. Probably better to do the thumbnail or link for the low internet bandwidth people out there. Makes me feel better about my HD 3850 AGP purchase since the 9500GT PCI isn't much more powerful.
 
If the 8400GS is more powerful, why do you go back to using the HD 2400? You only need one PCI card if you must use one, and I recommend the 9500GT 1GB version if you insist on using PCI. 8400GS PCI is the best PCI card for the money, but the 9500GT is slightly more powerful.

8400GS PCI vs. HD 2400 Pro PCI

On a different note, it's nice to know that it is impossible for my CPU to be able to display a single pixel or polygon more than what my HD 3850 AGP can produce, this in light of the CPU bottleneck.
 
teklord said:
If the 8400GS is more powerful, why do you go back to using the HD 2400?
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Actually, the Visiontek 2400HD is slightly more powerful then the 8400gs. The 8400gs is powerful also, but video playback is way better with the 2400 and most new games work better with the 2400hd. The 8400gs is better with using older games, and opengl games and few other ones. So its kinda like a tie, but the 2400hd seem to be more powerful overall.

teklord said:
II recommend the 9500GT 1GB version if you insist on using PCI.
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I am moving on to PCIE with " this rig " i have( my main AMD one ) , but with the Quad core which i am buying later this year, i am buying a 4350 PCI and that Albatron 8600gt card.

teklord said:
8400GS PCI is the best PCI card for the money
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No, The 9400GT is the best for the money. The 9400gt kills the 8400gs overall.

teklord said:
On a different note, it's nice to know that it is impossible for my CPU to be able to display a single pixel or polygon more than what my HD 3850 AGP can produce, this in light of the CPU bottleneck.
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Lol what does that mean? you get poor performance in gaming?
Can you post your crysis benchmarks at 1280x1024 NO AA, all low to medium settings?
 
Tha General said:
Actually, the Visiontek 2400HD is slightly more powerful then the 8400gs. The 8400gs is powerful also, but video playback is way better with the 2400 and most new games work better with the 2400hd. The 8400gs is better with using older games, and opengl games and few other ones. So its kinda like a tie, but the 2400hd seem to be more powerful overall.
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I don't know why video playback would be less efficient on the 8400GS or why games would like the HD 2400 Pro anymore either.


Tha General said:
I am moving on to PCIE with " this rig " i have( my main AMD one ) , but with the Quad core which i am buying later this year, i am buying a 4350 PCI and that Albatron 8600gt card.
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You can use what you want but A) quad core's are underutilized for games and almost all games only recognize two cores still. B) Your new CPU will be slightly wasted on a PCI card but everyone has already told you that many times.


Tha General said:
No, The 9400GT is the best for the money. The 9400gt kills the 8400gs overall.
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Best for the money means the most performance per price ratio and I believe the 8400GS is close to half of what the 9400GT goes for still.

Tha General said:
Lol what does that mean? you get poor performance in gaming?
Can you post your crysis benchmarks at 1280x1024 NO AA, all low to medium settings?
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That means that the HD 3850 AGP is a great card for AGP. I was expressing my lament of my CPU bottleneck and the consolation I received from knowing this PC can do absolutely no better. I am content with the excellent retro gaming type results I get from my current build considering what I have to work with.
 
I have a e-geforce 6200 pci card(ddr2 256 mb 300 core 769 oced memory), I plan to buy a better used one on ebay for like 15-20$, I know the limits of pci etc. I have a dell dimension 2400 2.53 p4 cpu, 2 gig ddr ram, 600 watt psu, i run 1680x1050 when I can. I was wondering if I bought a 8400, would I even notice a difference? These seem to be the only cards I have to choose from which one is likely the best for gaming? I of course only have pci slots

8400 gs
x1550
fx 5500
hd 2400
 
8400 gs is your best option. It mainly depends on what kind of money you want to spend imo. If you want something that will perform better than your 6200 just jump up to a 8400gs if you want to spend the money.
 
treetops said:
I have a e-geforce 6200 pci card(ddr2 256 mb 300 core 769 oced memory), I plan to buy a better used one on ebay for like 15-20$, I know the limits of pci etc. I have a dell dimension 2400 2.53 p4 cpu, 2 gig ddr ram, 600 watt psu, i run 1680x1050 when I can. I was wondering if I bought a 8400, would I even notice a difference? These seem to be the only cards I have to choose from which one is likely the best for gaming? I of course only have pci slots

8400 gs
x1550
fx 5500
hd 2400
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Please skip the 8400gs and buy a 9400gt pci.
 
Im just buying a really cheap used one from ebay, 15-20$, until I can save up for a new rig. All the cards I listed can be bought for around that on ebay from what iv seen. Im just trying to figure which one of those is the best. 8400 looks good to me, but iv heard conflicting reviews on newegg about how that card doesn't hold up to some of those other cards, then I see people saying the 8400 smokes all those cards. I read about 10 pages worth of reviews on newegg to get an idea of what these cards can do. Out of those 4 cards which is generally the best for gaming?
 
8400GS is the best value at around $40 dollars on Newegg. 9500GT is the best PCI card and that is about $80 to $97 dollars depending on the version you buy. Any PCI card will be fully compatible with your system but don't expect miracles from any PCI card. You will see a noticeable performance increase from your 6200 to the 8400GS or 9400GT or 9500GT. I saw a big leap from a FX 5500 PCI to the 8500GT PCI.
 
I was unaware of the $200 PCI card market demographic out there, Jaton has enlightened me. That card also bears a striking resemblance to the $40 8400GS PCI.
 
ECS (EliteCrapSystems) were the primary OEM motherboard manufacturers for eMachines and other companies' desktops. Their poor quality is what has given eMachines their bad rep.

eMachines' quality has improved after being acquired by Gateway though; it is the old models that had the major problems. These came with ECS motherboards that were notorious for blowing and usually ending up taking out the PSU.

So all in all, I would rather piss off a wolverine than go near an ECS product at all.
 
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