Some EVGA RTX 2060 KO models have RTX 2080 guts

Evernessince

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I think he was pointing out that AMD told them what to say. Watch the video instead of preaching.
Um no, he said exactly this

"AMD gave specific guidance to reviewer on which model to review "

Why you have to sensationalize it is beyond me. Guidance is a far cry from "told them what to say". Given guidance is 100% normal. Nvidia and Intel do it often.

Let the man speak for himself instead of hyperbolizing it.


1. Here is how Tim thought about 5600XT launch, so some models from Asrock, MSI and Asus will not received vbios that increase the memory speed, only the core clock speed (Msi Gaming X and Asus Tuf will remain 12gbps even when flashed with new bios). The performance delta between the ones with 14gbps bios to the ones with 12gbps can be up to 13%. Guess which model AMD specified reviewers to benched at this point ? (hint: only the ones that have the new 14gbps vbios). The unlucky or uninformed buyers could get 5600XT that is 10% slower than what they expect, that is beyond any simple silicon lottery or inadequate cooling.

2. I was talking about how some 2060 KO have TU 104 chip and that have improved workstation performance (up to +47%), so if you are lucky to get them, that's good, if not you have a normal 2060.

3. How do you feel if the Sapphire Pulse model is not available in your nearest local store and you bought the Gigabyte Windforce, Msi Gaming X, Asus Tuf 5600XT model that are up to 10% slower ? Even if you are lucky to get the Sapphire Pulse, there are higher chances they might fail, remember that manufacturers did not validated their early batches with increased memory clock speed even if they have 14gbps memory. All 1660 Ti have 14gbps memory but run at 12gbps, 2080Super have 16gbps memory running at 15.5gbps (check TPU pcb shots).
1. I agree, that some people will not be getting full performance is a bad thing. At least it's only select models in the first production batch. According to the video linked, AIBs should be able to fix the issue with any specific cards produced after the new vBIOS if they aren't already providing an update on their site.

2. Got ya. I just wonder how many people who are lucky enough to get the bigger chip would actually use the additional workstation performance. It would almost be better for them to sell it on eBay.

3. Increasing the clock / memory speed does not increase failure rate. Failure is caused by heat / voltage for the most part. You have to assume that companies using the new vBIOS are aware of this and think their cards will be completely fine. That's likely why you have some companies who have not released a new vBIOS.
 
Because one reviewer said it verbatim. I'm not going to re-watch a half-dozen videos to find a quote "just for you".
 
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Evernessince

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Because one reviewer said it verbatim. I'm not going to re-watch a half-dozen videos to find a quote "just for you". Get over it, politeness rules. :D
And yet you were talking about his comment, not this "one reviewer".

You said:

"I think he was pointing out that AMD told them what to say. Watch the video instead of preaching."
 
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The comment you're objecting to is this:
by honest you mean giving it an 85 / 100 then yes. I don't know where you were going with this point.
I think he was pointing out that AMD told them what to say. Watch the video instead of preaching.
Now in an attempt to take that apart; you wrote: "Let the man speak for himself ", as if I had put words in his browser!

Me, to you: "I think he was pointing out that AMD told them what to say. Watch the video instead of preaching."

You: "Um no, he said exactly this"
 
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neeyik

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Please take that discussion into private messaging, thanks, or create a new thread on the matter in the Graphics Card section of the forum.
 
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QuantumPhysics

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This particular card perhaps not as it seems to use sub par components - 1660 PCB and HSF, cheaper voltage regulation / power delivery, higher power consumption and high noise vs standard 2060 cards...

I mean if you do not mind all this and getting a leftover / landfill edition, go for it.

If a 2060 is to your liking, maybe the extra few $ are better spent on a regular / FE 2060.

I have two 2080Ti by EVGA.

If I was bottom dipping, then yeah, a $300 card like this wouldn't be so bad. You don't need much more for gaming nowadays unless you're 4K 60FPS anal.
 
1. I agree, that some people will not be getting full performance is a bad thing. At least it's only select models in the first production batch. According to the video linked, AIBs should be able to fix the issue with any specific cards produced after the new vBIOS if they aren't already providing an update on their site.

2. Got ya. I just wonder how many people who are lucky enough to get the bigger chip would actually use the additional workstation performance. It would almost be better for them to sell it on eBay.

3. Increasing the clock / memory speed does not increase failure rate. Failure is caused by heat / voltage for the most part. You have to assume that companies using the new vBIOS are aware of this and think their cards will be completely fine. That's likely why you have some companies who have not released a new vBIOS.
This is from TPU's MSI 5600 Gaming X review:

" I hear from various partners that some Navi 10 chips on the RX 5600 XT are having issues running at 1750 MHz memory—even when paired with 1750 MHz memory chips. It seems the memory controller in some of those GPUs can't handle the higher frequency."

That means some 5600XT models will never ever receive the 14gbps memory vbios, making them pointless products, and you can't tell which of them from the store without doing some deepdive first. (new vbios doesn't mean it's a 14gbps bios, some of them just increase the core clock and power limit by 10watts, e.g 5600XT MSI Gaming X and Asus TUF).

So instead of making the 5600XT an overclockers wet dream, AMD is liable for a class action lawsuit here if they had actually asked the reviewers to review only the 14gbps sample. Reminding me of Nvidia GTX 970 3.5GB fiasco lol.
 
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RealNeil

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This is only news to me if there is a chance to somehow activate more power from within the cards.
I enjoy getting something for nothing. That's why I overclock my gear.
Wake me up when we know,.....
 

Markoni35

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2060 was too slow, so they had to use a stronger chip to emulate a "mid-range" card. That's what happens when competition knocks on your door. 2060, 2060 Ti, 2060 Super, 2060 Ti Super, 2060 KO... what's next? They shouldn't even call it 2060 anymore.

It's like renaming a Ferrari to Mini Morris and then claiming that Mini is still the fastest small car. Yup... except it's not Mini Morris anymore. And it costs a lot more.
 

neeyik

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2060 was too slow, so they had to use a stronger chip to emulate a "mid-range" card. That's what happens when competition knocks on your door. 2060, 2060 Ti, 2060 Super, 2060 Ti Super, 2060 KO... what's next? They shouldn't even call it 2060 anymore.

It's like renaming a Ferrari to Mini Morris and then claiming that Mini is still the fastest small car. Yup... except it's not Mini Morris anymore. And it costs a lot more.
There's officially only the RTX 2060 and RTX 2060 Super - the KO branding is entirely EVGA's.

This is also true for the use of what are probably bottom level binned TU104 chips, to be used alongside higher level binned TU106 chips used the 2060 Super models. The latter have a boost clock of 1650 MHz in the reference models, which is what EVGA's standard KO model has, but the reference 2060 Super uses a 256 bit memory bus, compared to the 192 bus in the KO.

The TU106 chip has six 32 bit memory controllers at most; the full TU104 has eight. The TU106 has 36 SMs, 144 TMUs, and 64 ROPs; the full TU104 has 48, 192, and 64 respectively.

So the TU104 that EVGA is using in some of their KO branded cards is either pretty low level binned ones or the yield on the TU104 lines is so good, that there is sufficient quantity of them to be processed into 'TU106'-esque chips without affecting the supply for the 2070 Super and 2080 Super ranges.
 
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