Sony finally announces pricing and release date for PS5 consoles

ZackL04

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The PS5D can hold 5-6 games by that argument. Not much better, is it? In any case...;

Games will be a lot smaller than you expect.
You can connect any HDD through USB, store your games on there and transfer them to the SSD when you're going to play them.
You can download games over night. No need for super speedy internet connection. With a 2MB/s connection you'd take 7 hours to download a 50GB game.
Games can download in the background while you play something else.
You can expand the storage with a 1TB or 2TB expansion card.

Who plays more than 2 or 3 games at the same time anyway?

People really love slamming the Xbox...
I dont agree. These should have been 1TB drives for sure or larger, but it looks like they made a decision to save on costs.

everytime I fire up cod warzone Im waiting for a 30gb update. That will fill a sdd up quickly.

How do you figure games will be smaller?

also, who wants to have to attach an external drive to their brand new top of the line machine?
 

Burty117

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The PS5D can hold 5-6 games by that argument. Not much better, is it?
I'm not advocating buying a PS5 on finance either...
Games will be a lot smaller than you expect.
Why? Any evidence to back this up? Has any developer out there even hinted to game sizes being "a lot smaller"?
You can connect any HDD through USB, store your games on there and transfer them to the SSD when you're going to play them.
Ah great, more money to spend, awesome...
You can download games over night. No need for super speedy internet connection.
Ah lovely, the good old "just leave it on overnight, it'll be done by the morning" I do love going backwards in time.
You can expand the storage with a 1TB or 2TB expansion card.
With a rumoured price of over $200 for the 1TB version, yep, real cheap.
Who plays more than 2 or 3 games at the same time anyway?
Me, I play WoW with my bro, HotS with work mates, Overwatch on my own, Destiny 2 with a friend and I dive into Borderlands 3 / Battlefield 4/3 with another group of friends. This was just over the past week as well.
People really love slamming the Xbox...
I was literally an Xbox fanboy until the Xbox One. If you can't see why the finance options are terrible and the Series S is the most disappointing announcement to come from Microsoft since the Xbox One launch then I think we're done here.
 

NightAntilli

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I dont agree. These should have been 1TB drives for sure or larger, but it looks like they made a decision to save on costs.

also, who wants to have to attach an external drive to their brand new top of the line machine?
It's a $299 console.... If you want 1TB out of the box, go for the XSX.

everytime I fire up cod warzone Im waiting for a 30gb update. That will fill a sdd up quickly.

How do you figure games will be smaller?
Why? Any evidence to back this up? Has any developer out there even hinted to game sizes being "a lot smaller"?
Currently files are copied multiple times on HDDs to reduce seek times as much possible and increase sequential reading after seeking. Duplicate files will no longer be necessary with SSDs, because there are no seek times.

Ah great, more money to spend, awesome...
If you already have an Xbox, you can use any external HDD from it. No need to spend additional money for that. If you want 1TB, buy the XSX instead. Simple.

Ah lovely, the good old "just leave it on overnight, it'll be done by the morning" I do love going backwards in time.
That's the cost of having a slow internet connection. That is not the console's fault.

With a rumoured price of over $200 for the 1TB version, yep, real cheap.
Get the XSX instead then. 🤷‍♂️

Me, I play WoW with my bro, HotS with work mates, Overwatch on my own, Destiny 2 with a friend and I dive into Borderlands 3 / Battlefield 4/3 with another group of friends. This was just over the past week as well.
Ok. Get the XSX instead then. 🤷‍♂️

I was literally an Xbox fanboy until the Xbox One. If you can't see why the finance options are terrible and the Series S is the most disappointing announcement to come from Microsoft since the Xbox One launch then I think we're done here.
The finance options are fine, and I already explained why. You are not forced to go with the finance option either. Nor are you forced to go for the Series S. Once again... Get the XSX instead 🤷‍♂️.
 

Irata

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The series S will play backwards compatible games in vanilla Xbox one resolution (720-1080) vs the series X can do 4k enhanced games along with my one X.

I think it does come down to Tflops, why else would they not be able to up-convert all the games like an xbox one X does?
Wasn’t it going to be 1080p max ? In any case, that is one drawback, but
How much does it matter on a 1080p TV ?
How do I get old games onto the series S since it has no optical drive ?

The latter is a reason for me to get the Series X since most of my games were purchased on disc and I still have a bunch of XB360 games I got for free that do not run on XB One. Additionally, old XBox games can be had for very little used.

Edit: One reason is supposedly the lower memory capacity.
 

Cal Jeffrey

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Apparently, you haven't been taught any math.... Oh boy, let's pay $25 a month for 2 years for something that costs $300 normally.... wait... 25x24 = $600!!!

You think paying double is a good deal since it's "over 2 years"???

This is why so many people are in debt...
@Squid Surprise You are forgetting the Xbox Game Pass is included in that deal. At $15/mo that is $360 over the two-year term, so you are getting your box for $240. That is a good deal. Well as long as you were planning to subscribe to Game Pass. For many, it's a no brainer since they already subscribe.

That said, I don't like that the S is a stripped-down version of the X. So in that regard, it's not a good deal IMO. That was the deal-breaker for me. You're better off going with the X at $35/mo. Not as good a deal, but it does still save a few bucks off the retail price of the console when you factor in the GP sub.
 

Irata

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@Squid Surprise You are forgetting the Xbox Game Pass is included in that deal. At $15/mo that is $360 over the two year term, so you are getting your box for $240. That is a good deal. Well as long as you were planning to subscribe to Game Pass. For many it's a no brainer sionce they already subscribe.
If MS offers this deal in my country, I will go for it. €35 for the Series X plus game pass per months is not something I‘ll notice much.

And for customers with a low budget the $25 Series S option may be the only way to get into gaming. There is a big difference between having $250 left over (plus whatever games cost) or being able to spare $25 every month.
Of course one can also try to buy a used last gen console, but those have no warranty and normally can‘t be financed with zero interest.
 
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Squid Surprise

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It's not just for the console. You get Game Pass Ultimate, which lets you play pretty much every game on the platform. If you buy two new games for the PS5 or three for the PS5D, which now will cost $70, you're already over $600. So $25 a month including Game Pass is still the MUCH better deal, especially if you play a lot of games.
And the PS5 comes with a bunch of PS4 exclusives, etc... I don't count that as "added value".... Pay for the console and pay for the monthly gamepass - but don't finance, as you're always paying through the nose...
 

Irata

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And the PS5 comes with a bunch of PS4 exclusives, etc... I don't count that as "added value".... Pay for the console and pay for the monthly gamepass - but don't finance, as you're always paying through the nose...
But isn‘t it zero percent financing or did I miss something ?

I prefer to pay cash, but if a gadget is offered at zero percent financing over six or max 12 months I sometimes go for that if we are talking about low amounts (thirty ish) and I don‘t have more than one or max two running concurrently. Did that for my phone (twelve payments) and the Echo Studio (four payments).

For the console I‘d be willing to accept the 24 months period as it also gives me Game Pass for the PC.
 

Squid Surprise

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But isn‘t it zero percent financing or did I miss something ?

I prefer to pay cash, but if a gadget is offered at zero percent financing over six or max 12 months I sometimes go for that if we are talking about low amounts (thirty ish) and I don‘t have more than one or max two running concurrently. Did that for my phone (twelve payments) and the Echo Studio (four payments).

For the console I‘d be willing to accept the 24 months period as it also gives me Game Pass for the PC.
Sorry, I should have been clearer... if you actually WANT the gamepass, then yes, it's a good deal.... but I find it a waste of money...

I find that most people use things like that for the first few months.... then stop.... so you're paying $600 for a $300 console and maybe 3 months of a gamepass...

If you just buy the console and 3 months of gamepass, you're only spending $330 (first month of gamepass is $1)...
 

Irata

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Sorry, I should have been clearer... if you actually WANT the gamepass, then yes, it's a good deal.... but I find it a waste of money...

I find that most people use things like that for the first few months.... then stop.... so you're paying $600 for a $300 console and maybe 3 months of a gamepass...

If you just buy the console and 3 months of gamepass, you're only spending $330 (first month of gamepass is $1)...
I was thinking about getting game pass for a while. Looking at the games my kid got over the past year, it would have paid off.

One thing I care about wrt the consoles is full mouse and keyboard support so I can use it while the kid is hogging the PC. Game pads just aren't for me.

Good point about people often not fully taking advantage of subscriptions.
 
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Lounds

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It's not just for the console. You get Game Pass Ultimate, which lets you play pretty much every game on the platform. If you buy two new games for the PS5 or three for the PS5D, which now will cost $70, you're already over $600. So $25 a month including Game Pass is still the MUCH better deal, especially if you play a lot of games.
Quality over quantity.
 

Lounds

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The series S will play backwards compatible games in vanilla Xbox one resolution (720-1080) vs the series X can do 4k enhanced games along with my one X.

I think it does come down to Tflops, why else would they not be able to up-convert all the games like an xbox one X does?
If they bring burnout 3 to backwards compatibility I'd buy an Xbox without even thinking and I've never owned an Xbox.
 

Edster

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Is one of the issue with stuff like gamepass in that the selection of games are not that great, if you care about Halo, Gears, sure. Looking at it, the 2 games right now that I would actually want to play is Crusader Kings and Flight Sim, both are PC games anyway. Maybe Mechwarriors 5 too

A lot of the games are kinda rubbish, just as I don't necessarily see the free games given out by Gold or PS+ as particularly amazing most of the time; the special offer on PS5 does to me is a lot better than what Gamepass has right now as it essentially has the greatest hits of PS4 games that are more than a couple years old, like they are games that are genuinely good.But this is one off, whereas GamePass will continually add (and remove) games, but are those good games the ones I want? Big selection are there to look good on the statistics, is really not any different to Steam sales; do people even play 50% of the games they buy? Look at the quality of the games, not the quantity. Or better, look at the games that you genuinely want. Especially if you are a Xbox owner already, how many of the games you bought recently have high chance of actually being in gamepass.

People are assuming is 25 a month and that's it. Reality is, there will be titles that fall outside of what is offered, and you are going to spend money on that too. If you are happy with just whatever game, the monthly deal from MS is very good, if you care about what you play, they aren't as good of an offer as it appears.

As a Playstation owner, almost all of the last dozen or so non-exclusives I would not had gotten on Gamepass, I keep tabs on it and the only one I saw I really would instant buy is Red Dead Redemption, which is no longer on it. Maybe FIFA and Fallen Order would be on it soon with EA's deal, we will see.
 

Axiarus

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Apparently, you haven't been taught any math.... Oh boy, let's pay $25 a month for 2 years for something that costs $300 normally.... wait... 25x24 = $600!!!

You think paying double is a good deal since it's "over 2 years"???

This is why so many people are in debt...
$15 of that goes towards GamePass Ultimate.
 

Axiarus

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Is one of the issue with stuff like gamepass in that the selection of games are not that great, if you care about Halo, Gears, sure. Looking at it, the 2 games right now that I would actually want to play is Crusader Kings and Flight Sim, both are PC games anyway. Maybe Mechwarriors 5 too

A lot of the games are kinda rubbish, just as I don't necessarily see the free games given out by Gold or PS+ as particularly amazing most of the time; the special offer on PS5 does to me is a lot better than what Gamepass has right now as it essentially has the greatest hits of PS4 games that are more than a couple years old, like they are games that are genuinely good.But this is one off, whereas GamePass will continually add (and remove) games, but are those good games the ones I want? Big selection are there to look good on the statistics, is really not any different to Steam sales; do people even play 50% of the games they buy? Look at the quality of the games, not the quantity. Or better, look at the games that you genuinely want. Especially if you are a Xbox owner already, how many of the games you bought recently have high chance of actually being in gamepass.

People are assuming is 25 a month and that's it. Reality is, there will be titles that fall outside of what is offered, and you are going to spend money on that too. If you are happy with just whatever game, the monthly deal from MS is very good, if you care about what you play, they aren't as good of an offer as it appears.

As a Playstation owner, almost all of the last dozen or so non-exclusives I would not had gotten on Gamepass, I keep tabs on it and the only one I saw I really would instant buy is Red Dead Redemption, which is no longer on it. Maybe FIFA and Fallen Order would be on it soon with EA's deal, we will see.
GamePass Ultimate gets you main AAA titles and much more. Even if its not ALL of the games you are still saving money.
 

Ben1978

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OK, one question. Everywhere everybody say 4K is the thing, but how many of those have the 4K TVs to use it actually ...

In Xbox deffence, if you do not stand and start looking closley for difference, on a 40' TV or close, you will not see difference in 1440p or 4K. You just brag about it :)

I am a PC gamer so I am not a customer of consoles, but just saying. Simmilar things go for PC monitors thought but a different topic :)
4K TVs can be had for very reasonable prices these days so I don't think it's a bragging point. I also think those who have spent thousands on them probably didn't do it so they could brag, but because they wanted the best technology.
 

Axiarus

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Yes... but for most people, that's a waste - they use it for 2-3 months, then stop... better to have paid $30 for the 3 months of gamepass and $300 for the console instead of paying $600...
I mean, people can go the route they need. Its a super good deal if you plan on using Game Pass.