Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker becomes Disney's seventh billion-dollar movie of 2019

[fps4ever]

OK, let's look at the numbers then - strictly profits from the films NOT including DVD/BluRay, merchandise, etc: --> Calculated by subtracting budget from gross.

Since 2012 (when Disney bought LucasFilm), Disney has released 5 Star Wars films.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (profit of about $1.8 Billion)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (profit of about $850 Million)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (profit of about $1.1 Billion)
Solo: A Star Wars Story (profit of about $110 Million)
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (profit of about $720 Million and climbing)

Total Profits: $4.58 Billion!!!

And it's only going to increase!

I think we can safely conclude that Disney made a pretty shrewd deal here... this doesn't include any of the TV series, clothing, toys, etc...

Yes, merchandise sales had been doing poorly for the past couple of years (most blame Solo), but they still rake in a couple of hundred million a year minimum... that's another billion or 2 added to our total...

And let's not forget games, DVD/BluRay, and the inevitable re-releases "special editions" etc...

Star Wars is pure gold, and even Disney won't be able to ruin it any time soon...

LOL where are you getting those profit numbers. They don't release those kinds of numbers to the public...where did you get the production and marketing costs, 1.8 billion profit afterwards?????????? um no. Source please.

 

[Squid Surprise]

LOL where are you getting those profit numbers. They don't release those kinds of numbers to the public...where did you get the production and marketing costs, 1.8 billion profit afterwards?????????? um no. Source please.

I looked them up.... just check for the gross - and subtract the budget.... even assuming a few hundred million total for marketing the 5 movies (not sure if that counts as part of the budget), you’re still above 4 billion....

You’ll notice there are 3 more Star Wars films scheduled... want to bet they make a billion each?

Star Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Star Wars franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

 

[fps4ever]

I looked them up.... just check for the gross - and subtract the budget.... even assuming a few hundred million total for marketing the 5 movies (not sure if that counts as part of the budget), you’re still above 4 billion....

You’ll notice there are 3 more Star Wars films scheduled... want to bet they make a billion each?

Star Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Star Wars franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

Like I said they don't give out production and marketing costs. And the articles I've read who used history on productions cost they could get from other movies it seems each one in the big trilogy could reach a billion in combined costs. Your numbers are way off. They also have cancelled some planned series/movies as well. I'm not saying they don't make money on each movie but to only make tens of millions profit when they planned on billions, that is a failure. And if you check merchanding sales where abysmal for at least the last two movies in the trilogy. Again what proof/links can you provide for your numbers?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Like I said they don't give out production and marketing costs. And the articles I've read who used history on productions cost they could get from other movies it seems each one in the big trilogy could reach a billion in combined costs. Your numbers are way off. They also have cancelled some planned series/movies as well. I'm not saying they don't make money on each movie but to only make tens of millions profit when they planned on billions, that is a failure. And if you check merchanding sales where abysmal for at least the last two movies in the trilogy. Again what proof/links can you provide for your numbers?

Well, they might not release them.... but unless they total BILLIONS, Disney still show a profit...

Here's a link for ya from over a year ago - which says that Disney had already made their money back (this is before Rise of Skywalker, which easily adds another several hundred million to the coffers).

Disney bought Lucasfilm six years ago today and has already recouped its $4 billion investment

Disney bought Lucasfilm six years ago in a deal worth $4.05 billion and has already made back that investment with four Star Wars feature films that have grossed more than $4.8 billion at the box office.

www.cnbc.com

Let's also not forget Disney+ - which I suspect owes a lot of its subscribers to the Mandalorian...

Now, you've obviously already made up your mind, but please try Google and see if there are any credible links DISPROVING what I'm saying... because it's a pretty well known consensus that Star Wars was a terrific purchase for Disney.

This isn't to say that George Lucas made a mistake either, by the way. In order to keep Star Wars profitable, Disney had to make enormous investments (let's also not forget the theme parks of which Star Wars is central to!), something that Lucas would not have been able (or possibly even willing) to do. While many can criticize the quality of the products Disney churns out like clockwork, there's obviously a very real correlation to profit - THEY ARE NOT STUPID!

 

[fps4ever]

Well, they might not release them.... but unless they total BILLIONS, Disney still show a profit...

Here's a link for ya from over a year ago - which says that Disney had already made their money back (this is before Rise of Skywalker, which easily adds another several hundred million to the coffers).

Disney bought Lucasfilm six years ago today and has already recouped its $4 billion investment

Disney bought Lucasfilm six years ago in a deal worth $4.05 billion and has already made back that investment with four Star Wars feature films that have grossed more than $4.8 billion at the box office.

www.cnbc.com

Let's also not forget Disney+ - which I suspect owes a lot of its subscribers to the Mandalorian...

Now, you've obviously already made up your mind, but please try Google and see if there are any credible links DISPROVING what I'm saying... because it's a pretty well known consensus that Star Wars was a terrific purchase for Disney.

This isn't to say that George Lucas made a mistake either, by the way. In order to keep Star Wars profitable, Disney had to make enormous investments (let's also not forget the theme parks of which Star Wars is central to!), something that Lucas would not have been able (or possibly even willing) to do. While many can criticize the quality of the products Disney churns out like clockwork, there's obviously a very real correlation to profit - THEY ARE NOT STUPID!

Your the one that posted those numbers. Not up to me to search and prove your point. That's not how it works. If you can't then it's just an opinion like mine. And we are not talking "stupid" but to suggest they don't make stupid movies is disingenuous. Look at John Carter for a perfect example. Every studio has huge losses on movies. Franchises are all a gamble, some work and some don't. Some fail because of bad writing and storylines. Others fail or don't live up to forecasted profits for pushing political and socail justice messages instead of real stories. SW is an example of what could have been.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Your the one that posted those numbers. Not up to me to search and prove your point. That's not how it works. If you can't then it's just an opinion like mine. And we are not talking "stupid" but to suggest they don't make stupid movies is disingenuous. Look at John Carter for a perfect example. Every studio has huge losses on movies. Franchises are all a gamble, some work and some don't. Some fail because of bad writing and storylines. Others fail or don't live up to forecasted profits for pushing political and socail justice messages instead of real stories. SW is an example of what could have been.

Yes, I posted numbers - you disagreed with them... but didn't provide any evidence as to why you think they're wrong... I continue to post links which you either ignore, refute, or simply state are erroneous... what more do you want me to post? Let me know and I will

And any movie studio can make a money-losing movie.... but only a stupid one then releases a bunch more just like it... John Carter was SUPPOSED to be a series (dunno what they were thinking, as the books were derivative and about a century old!), but once the first movie flopped, they wisely cancelled those plans. You don't see a John Carter 2 floating around, do you?

There is no question that Star Wars could have been MORE profitable... but it IS still profitable! And has already recouped Disney's initial investment.

Now, I'm done here unless you actually want to prove any of your assertions.

 

[Irata]

OK, let's look at the numbers then - strictly profits from the films NOT including DVD/BluRay, merchandise, etc: --> Calculated by subtracting budget from gross.

Since 2012 (when Disney bought LucasFilm), Disney has released 5 Star Wars films.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (profit of about $1.8 Billion)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (profit of about $850 Million)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (profit of about $1.1 Billion)
Solo: A Star Wars Story (profit of about $110 Million)
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (profit of about $720 Million and climbing)

Total Profits: $4.58 Billion!!!

Star Wars is pure gold, and even Disney won't be able to ruin it any time soon...

Just curious: Where did you get those numbers from ?

From what I could find, the Worldwide box office numbers for the force awakens were $2,068,223,624.

Now, this is not what Disney gets - this is the amount raised by ticket sales and Disney gets a part of that. Of course, Disney had to pay the movie's production, marketing campaign....

Now, there are also licenses for merchandise etc, DVD / Blu-Ray and streaming sales, TV licensing....

If you have a source where I can find those numbers I would be most interested.

 

[fps4ever]

Yes, I posted numbers - you disagreed with them... but didn't provide any evidence as to why you think they're wrong... I continue to post links which you either ignore, refute, or simply state are erroneous... what more do you want me to post? Let me know and I will

And any movie studio can make a money-losing movie.... but only a stupid one then releases a bunch more just like it... John Carter was SUPPOSED to be a series (dunno what they were thinking, as the books were derivative and about a century old!), but once the first movie flopped, they wisely cancelled those plans. You don't see a John Carter 2 floating around, do you?

There is no question that Star Wars could have been MORE profitable... but it IS still profitable! And has already recouped Disney's initial investment.

Now, I'm done here unless you actually want to prove any of your assertions.

Lol that link, have you read the whole thing?

While box office grosses are a solid measure of a film’s success, they still don’t tell the whole story. There are hundreds of millions of dollars of costs that come into play, along with dozens of other “Star Wars” revenue strem

Did you read the whole article where it says they don't have all the numbers. And its from 2018. All they are listing is box office dollars, not profit. Look at the trend in the graphs from the earlier movies. It is not going up. And I'm talking about your outrageous claims of 1-1.8 billion dollar profits per individual movies after costs? They are basically saying the same thing I am. I don't think Disney is as satisfied as you think they are. Your right I think we are done.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Just curious: Where did you get those numbers from ?

From what I could find, the Worldwide box office numbers for the force awakens were $2,068,223,624.

Now, this is not what Disney gets - this is the amount raised by ticket sales and Disney gets a part of that. Of course, Disney had to pay the movie's production, marketing campaign....

Now, there are also licenses for merchandise etc, DVD / Blu-Ray and streaming sales, TV licensing....

If you have a source where I can find those numbers I would be most interested.

Star Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Star Wars franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

That has box office and production budgets.... I simply subtracted...

Lol that link, have you read the whole thing?



Did you read the whole article where it says they don't have all the numbers. And its from 2018. All they are listing is box office dollars, not profit. Look at the trend in the graphs from the earlier movies. It is not going up. And I'm talking about your outrageous claims of 1-1.8 billion dollar profits per individual movies after costs? They are basically saying the same thing I am. I don't think Disney is as satisfied as you think they are. Your right I think we are done.

Yes, I read the whole thing.... you obviously didn’t.... even accounting for the “hidden costs”, there are still huge profits.... even with profits “going down” (they were going down based on Solo, by the way, and after Rise of Skywalker are climbing again), they are still PROFITS.

 

[fps4ever]

Star Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Star Wars franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

That has box office and production budgets.... I simply subtracted...


Yes, I read the whole thing.... you obviously didn’t.... even accounting for the “hidden costs”, there are still huge profits.... even with profits “going down” (they were going down based on Solo, by the way, and after Rise of Skywalker are climbing again), they are still PROFITS.

Yeah go to that website's research tab and they are using guesstimates for costs by researching history of previous guesstimate costs. Plus they don't include Marketing budgets which are huge for the SW franchises. In other words those numbers don't come from the actual studios. And I'm not arguing they didn't make a profit, I am asking where you go those ridiculous profit numbers you posted as you keep pointing out gross ticket sales? Now take all that into account and subtract what Disney paid (4.1 billion ) Lucas for the franchise.

The fact that marketing expense is not included in production cost figures is why studios may claim to have lost movie on a money that grossed more than its negative, or production, cost. If a movie cost $100 million to produce, and grossed $130 million, then they've got a $30 million profit ... unless there was also a $50 million dollar outlay in marketing and distribution, in which case the profit turns to a $20 million negative on the balance sheet.
The Bottom LineEven with all those big numbers, and potential for huge losses, the movies keep coming. There must be some sense in it, though; despite the average cost of a movie ticket in the United States shooting up to almost $8 in 2010, we keep lining up to buy the tickets, eat the popcorn and watch those expensive movies.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/12/23/disney-star-wars-rise-skywalker-shows-force-weak.aspx

 

[Irata]

Again, feel free to actually read my posts. And check the links that show where I get the numbers...

Thing is box office != Disney earnings. I think they get in the 15-20% range of ticket revenue which is actually higher than for other studios.

 

[mailpup]

Squid Surprise and fps4ever, that's enough of your personal arguments. If you wish to continue it, please consider doing so via PM. Thank you.