Tencent's Light of Motiram lawsuit response: Horizon Zero Dawn isn't original, Sony seeks game genre monopoly

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In brief: Tencent has hit back in the lawsuit over Horizon: Zero Dawn clone Light of Motiram. The Chinese firm says Sony is trying to claim ownership of gaming tropes that other titles have used for years. It's also arguing a lack of jurisdiction, is pointing to the game's 2027 release date, and claiming that Horizon itself is very similar to a game that preceded its release.

In July, Sony launched a lawsuit against Tencent over Light of Motiram, a game that looks so similar to the Horizon series that most people assumed it was a new franchise entry or DLC from Guerrilla Games.

Sony's suit describes Motiram as a "slavish clone" of the popular robot-dinosaur-fighting adventure games, which certainly appears to be an accurate accusation. It also alleges that Motiram copies everything from Horizon – mechanics, graphics, style, right down to an imitation of Aloy's Focus device.

Interestingly, the complaint revealed that Tencent pitched the idea of a game set in the Horizon universe at the 2024 Game Developers Conference, but it failed to mention that it started developing Light of Motiram in 2023. Sony rejected the idea, yet Tencent continued developing its imitator.

Now, Tencent has hit back. It says there's a lack of jurisdiction over China's Tencent Holdings – the parent of the company developing the game, which has yet to be served.

"Sony's threadbare, conclusory allegations improperly lump these Defendants together with the foreign companies alleged to be responsible for the core conduct at issue," Tencent said. "Sony's vague allegations against 'Tencent' or 'Defendants' generally cannot substantiate the claims it brings against Tencent America, Proxima Beta US, or Tencent Holdings specifically"

Tencent also argues that as Motiram isn't set for launch until the fourth quarter of 2027 – a window it only recently announced – so some or all of Sony's alleged infringements might not appear in the final release.

The Chinese tech giant also claims that Sony is trying to monopolize game genres and tropes that have been around for years and appear in many titles. It notes that Horizon Lead Artist Jan-Bart van Beek revealed in a NoClip documentary that the game was initially paused because of its similarity to 2013's Enslaved: Odyssey to the West.

"Enslaved basically featured a post-apocalyptic world, a female protagonist, machines that were slumbering that would be awakened," van Beek said. "So, I myself went to Hermen and I said like, I don't think we should do this, it touches too much of these other points. And Hermen, he sort of was very reluctant. He said like okay, well, I think it's a bad idea to do this, but you know, we'll can it for now and maybe we'll look at it later."

Guerrilla then set about making a steampunk-style shooter but the developer didn't realize another studio, Ready at Dawn, was doing the same with The Order: 1886, so the Horizon pitch got the green light.

"By suing over an unreleased project that merely employs the same time-honored tropes embraced by scores of other games released both before and after Horizon – like Enslaved, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Far Cry: Primal, Far Cry: New Dawn, Outer Wilds, Biomutant, and many more – Sony seeks an impermissible monopoly on genre conventions," Tencent said.

While it's true that you can't copyright a genre, Horizon and Motiram are often indistinguishable based on the latter's trailers.

In addition to adding a release window to its Steam page, there have been other changes made to Light of Motiram's listing on the platform. Most noticeable is the lack of the Aloy-like red-haired female player character, and most images of the mechanical creatures have been removed.

Sony is suing for copyright and trademark infringement, as well as false designation of origin. It is asking the court to forbid Tencent from infringing its copyright, to award damages of up to $150,000 per infringing work in the Horizon franchise, and to require Tencent to surrender all infringing materials for destruction.

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Except Sony is right.
Many times it was not.
Just big bully with bad behavior and a big bunch of lawyers
This game is a blatant, shameless knockoff.
Heavily inspired, meant to be part of that universe?
Sure.

Blatant copy?
Do you know what is Sony cooking behind their doors now to say that?
2 years to release and they are showing things in trailers which were not in any released work of Sony.
So how could you or they make a copy of thing that is not public?
 
Motiram was made as part of Horizon Zero world, they applied for IP and were hoping to get it. All initial graphics and materials were close copy of a Horizon world.
Putting in Enslaved makes no sense, this is not about small similarities in a genre in certain areas, it is about nearly 1:1 copy of already established IP. If the current look of the Motiram page and arts was used at the beginning, we wouldn't have this conversation. Tencent did 180, changed most of the things related to the game so they could to pretend this situation never happened and now in classical Chinese way they put a blame on others.

It is nearly ridiculous how different is their webpage now, comparing to a few months ago, when the whole situations happened. But they did use the same graphics, they used popularity of the Horizon to drive their visibility, free marketing resources, and it is only fair for them to pay the price of this.

And I like the new Motiram more (even if there are a lot of stuff taken directly from Horizon, they are not the main theme now). It is not like they weren't able to create an interesting world, it is just they simply wanted to get a free ride. They need to learn that is not how the business is done.
 
Game clone shave existed for a LONG time. Legally, they have been allowed. I dont think Sony is going to get very far here.
 
Clone refers to an inferior, badly adapted genre of a similar superior game. But if they make this title better, then they can claim the right. LOL is a "clone" to other battle MOBA. No player cares about it.
Look. We might wait for half life 3 forever, but if someone comes along and makes the same dystopian, alien invasion (colonisation) of earth... Why players care, if is a great game ?

Many inventions in history were just based on previously made discoveries of other scientists, yet who ever progressed the idea can claim it ?
 
Sony must just suck it up!

Game is a game nothing is stopping them from making any other game.

Besides the best gaming companies can do lately is remasters / remake of old games.

Grow a pair and make something original, and please for gods sake without UE5 engine.
 
Well, Tancent may argue, but it sure looks like a true copycat to me!
The looks of the mechanical animals, the style, even the movements, everything looks like Sony's title!
The fact that they changed some features of their Steam page is also like admitting something.
They are just shamelessly copying Sony's game to surf on the wave IMHO.
 
Except Sony is right. This game is a blatant, shameless knockoff.

All people who fight with a sword will be killed by a sword.
-- Matthew 26:52
Applies to both sides.

I do not like Sony.
I do not like Tencent.
I do not love either of them. Or any other corporate. They are not living things.

If they want my money, they should release something I will be willing to pay for.
Barking at each other, suing each other and doing big waves does help any of them to pull money from my purse.
 
They are just shamelessly copying Sony's game to surf on the wave IMHO.
Does Tencent want to surf on Wave and milk Horizon universe popularity?
Sure
Does Sony do anything to milk it?
Nothing visible except suing Tencent.

Well, Tancent may argue, but it sure looks like a true copycat to me!
Just out of curiosity: "How many insect inspired mechanic things are in Sony's Horizon so far?
I could remember only scorpions.
But I my be wrong. My memory cells are old and worn out.
 
Well, Tancent may argue, but it sure looks like a true copycat to me!
The looks of the mechanical animals, the style, even the movements, everything looks like Sony's title!
The fact that they changed some features of their Steam page is also like admitting something.
They are just shamelessly copying Sony's game to surf on the wave IMHO.
Copying is truly a Chinese thing. They don't just copy electronics and physical items to the color, they do the same with virtual goods.
DeltrForce for example, is so similar to bf2042 that even UI is near identical.
They really like to copy which I do not get. They are developed enough to begin showing creativity, to be new and risky. Instead, they build these clones.
 
In my opinion copyright and patent system is completely broken and it is stopping progress

Patents: Originally meant to encourage innovation by rewarding inventors, but in practice they can create “patent thickets” where overlapping rights block new entrants. Large corporations often stockpile patents defensively or use them aggressively against smaller innovators (so-called “patent trolls”). That can make it harder, not easier, for new technologies to flourish.

Copyright: Instead of being a limited incentive for authors, it has expanded far beyond its original scope. Copyright terms have been extended (often at the lobbying of big media companies) to last decades past the author’s death, locking up knowledge and culture. Fair use and remix culture are often in legal gray areas, and digital locks (DRM) mean that even legally owned works can’t always be used freely.

Impact on progress: Both systems, as they are now, can reward hoarding rather than sharing. For example, lifesaving drugs might be kept unaffordable due to patent monopolies, or digital tools restricted despite the potential benefits to society.
 
Since when is Sony a Western company ? Do they no longer teach geography in Western schools or what .... 😂🤡
Considering Horizon: Zero Dawn had its core development by Guerrilla Games in Amsterdam - yes, this game was developed by a Western game company, and actually published by Sony.

Yeesh, 30 seconds of research would have saved you some face, buddy.
 
Is the current hype material suspect? Yeah. But personally I think Sony is jumping the gun here, and possibly Tancent can use all the "drama" to increase the games media profile. How many AAA games can we point to that were nothing like what was shown during the marketing "hype" phase? Almost all of them? Yeah, maybe.

Is Tancent's attempt to justify the games existent dubious? Again yeah. But that's how legal maneuvering works. You try every argument you can come up with and see which ones have legal traction. Fact is depending on the final product it could end up region locked due to their current reasoning, so Tancent needs to tread carefully IMHO.

But at this point I again argue that Sony's jumping the gun. The game is still in development and might be subject to change. Sony could end up looking like the big bully if they're not careful.
 
Considering Horizon: Zero Dawn had its core development by Guerrilla Games in Amsterdam - yes, this game was developed by a Western game company, and actually published by Sony.

Yeesh, 30 seconds of research would have saved you some face, buddy.

Guerilla Games belongs to PlayStation Studios which belongs to Sony ....

Yeesh, 30 seconds of research would have saved you some face, buddy.
 
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