Tesla's third recall of the month affects an additional 320,000 vehicles

Shear

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I bet that's just another dumb assumption, which is the point of my earlier question...
But it isn't. That decision would be made by the people in charge, not a programmer. He's the person in charge hence he would make that decision. He is the one who decides how his product works. You can keep coming back with ridiculous arguments that this isn't a big deal but it's annoying for the user to have to make it out of their way to fix a problem that shouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
 

m4a4

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But it isn't. That decision would be made by the people in charge, not a programmer. He's the person in charge hence he would make that decision. He is the one who decides how his product works. You can keep coming back with ridiculous arguments that this isn't a big deal but it's annoying for the user to have to make it out of their way to fix a problem that shouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
No, he's not the one committing code, causing the bugs. That's the point.
You might as well be telling me Tim Cook is directly responsible for the recent iOS wifi bug. That is what's ridiculous here, and people like you get called out just to make other ridiculous assumptions to justify it.

Seriously, go make fun of the Chief Twit for stuff he's actually responsible for. But this? It's laughable how people on a tech forum are making such illogical assumptions...
 

Shear

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No, he's not the one committing code, causing the bugs. That's the point.
You might as well be telling me Tim Cook is directly responsible for the recent iOS wifi bug. That is what's ridiculous here, and people like you get called out just to make other ridiculous assumptions to justify it.

Seriously, go make fun of the Chief Twit for stuff he's actually responsible for. But this? It's laughable how people on a tech forum are making such illogical assumptions...
That's not my point. My point is that he's the one who decides what the functions of the software are because it's his business and his product. So no he's not the one coding or committing the code or causing the bugs but because he is the one who decided to make rudimentary functions such as the tail lights part of the software he is the one responsible when you have problems with them.
 

m4a4

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That's not my point. My point is that he's the one who decides what the functions of the software are because it's his business and his product. So no he's not the one coding or committing the code or causing the bugs but because he is the one who decided to make rudimentary functions such as the tail lights part of the software he is the one responsible when you have problems with them.
That's a terribly weak implication, that because he probably made the decision to go all digital on the dash and the surrounding controls, it's his fault a bug got through years later 😂

Seriously, do you hear yourself? Again, it's like blaming Tim Cook on the iOS wifi bug...

And then, I don't know about you, but I'd rather hear about a bug in software (easy fix), than hear about a mechanical design issue (that usually gets ignored unless it kills people).
Ignoring your irrational dislike of the guy, which type of issue would you honestly prefer?
 

Shear

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That's a terribly weak implication, that because he probably made the decision to go all digital on the dash and the surrounding controls, it's his fault a bug got through years later 😂

Seriously, do you hear yourself? Again, it's like blaming Tim Cook on the iOS wifi bug...

And then, I don't know about you, but I'd rather hear about a bug in software (easy fix), than hear about a mechanical design issue (that usually gets ignored unless it kills people).
Ignoring your irrational dislike of the guy, which type of issue would you honestly prefer?
Okay, it's clear you are going to ignore the point people are making here so I'll just stop going in circles with you.
 

m4a4

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Okay, it's clear you are going to ignore the point people are making here so I'll just stop going in circles with you.
So, after you tried to make an unrelated/weak point, you've given up because I wouldn't accept it? Lol good, next time make a point that fits the context before jumping into a conversation.

Also, I'm glad you ignored the question at the end. It just tells me that you never wanted to have an honest conversation.
 

Nobina

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You have never had a MAF sensor go bad? An O2 sensor? Lucky dude. Those are often fixed by flashing the ECU et al. with an update.

Teslas weren't always like this. A lady on my staff was on her 3rd Model S (14-17-21) when all hell broke loose in a matter of weeks. Rusty screws under the trunk lid, water leaks, sudden and huge loss of power, (many) false warning messages on the info screen, and the battery showed 38% loss in just 16 days. They replaced it, of course, but in the next few months it had lost 15%. (I have a 5-year-old Focus EV that has lost 11% in that 5 years).

She had to take them to court before they settled and gave her money back.
She has had a Mach-E since.
A lot of these minor issues with sensors a common man can fix with an OBD or by replacing the item. When you have a software bug an update is needed from the manufacturer, a common man or a mechanic can't fix that. There have been software updates for my phone that fix some bugs but introduce others, that's my issue with modern cars, ICE and EVs. What happens when your car becomes old in the eyes of the manufacturer that wants you to buy a new one and software support is ended? That's something I'm willing to bet will happen.

I have nothing against Teslas or electric cars in general but some of their owners are smug about it without realising the push for EVs to "save the planet" is a lie gobbled up by gullible *****s.
 

Underdog

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And it's still only the beginning... more computer technologies on cars = more problems you'll get ... software, hardware or pure stupidity of the driver, just look at our PCs ... you can call me a boomer and see if I care... but those techs should be kept as minimal in cars imo...

Amen brother. If a TV or some handheld toy goes belly up its no big deal. If your car goes belly up, you go with it.