The Future of Tech: The Desktop PC

If PlayStation 5/Xbox Two can deliver 4k 60fps on single player experiences I´m done upgrading my PC for sure, and will only use it for my RTS/Moba/online FPS stuff. Nothing else. 500€ for a console and happy days not worrying anymore about a new GPU upgrade. Yeah I know PC will be able to do 4k 144hz in few years, but I don´t care about that after a certain point.
 
I have been running Windows XP-SP2 "ONLINE" without any MS security updates for more than 10 years now without a single BSOD

It can repair itself with a simple reboot if malware is ever a problem as the O.S. is Read Only but it hasn't had a malware problem in more than 5 years

An O.S. like XP can be fixed by the end user to prevent problems from ever occurring but Spyware Platform 10 can only be fixed by Microsoft and they will never fix it for the end users

So yes, in MY lifetime, a Windows O.S. has been fixed by an end user to repair itself
How do you set that up? Please guide us! Would love that....
 
Just two things keep me tied to my "desktop" PC:
#1: The prices for comparable laptops.
#2 "Easy" CPU and Video upgrades.

High-End laptops can support adequate memory. And the ability to run a 4K monitor at 30 FPS is available in many laptops, that isn't unique to desktop either. But the ability to do a CPU Swap for only $200, or a MB upgrade for only $120, or a video upgrade - these are unique to the "Desktop" form factor.

My fairly old Silverstone PSU just keeps working great. My old DVD writer still works, for an occasional "scribble" of something. My case hasn't changed in years. It's not portable, but it does a pretty good job.

If I had money to burn, I WOULD buy a fancy laptop. But, for almost $1000 less, I can upgrade my current desktop to run rings around such a laptop. Money talks, and my wallet is too thin to abandon the desktop.
 
I didn't suffer through TRS-80, DOS (5-6.11) Windows 3.1, 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7, 8/8.1, and now 10 (all on slower than h*** spinning floppies, hard drives, and tape drives), just so I can now Wait! for The Cloud. FINALLY! Everything will be running on very fast chips from the data drive to the processor! And now you're telling me that I'm going to have to deal with internet latency just to get anything done? F*** Y**!
 
Last edited:
I have been running Windows XP-SP2 "ONLINE" without any MS security updates for more than 10 years now without a single BSOD

It can repair itself with a simple reboot if malware is ever a problem as the O.S. is Read Only but it hasn't had a malware problem in more than 5 years

An O.S. like XP can be fixed by the end user to prevent problems from ever occurring but Spyware Platform 10 can only be fixed by Microsoft and they will never fix it for the end users

So yes, in MY lifetime, a Windows O.S. has been fixed by an end user to repair itself
How do you set that up? Please guide us! Would love that....

It is very unwise to try to teach others how to secure an O.S.
They always miss a step or two and suddenly have everything perma-wrecked!

I use several techniques for my system including Driveshield to make the O.S. Read Only, disabling or removing ALL the major malware magnets like Javascript, Flash, Net framework, Explorer, Adobe Reader etc etc etc

Using an aftermarket firewall that actually works and blocking everything except the browser from accessing the Internet

Applying all known manual mitigations and many other tweaks that took years to find, and then making a clean backup before ever going near the Internet

Trying to teach this to someone else only ends in disaster

Sorry
 
Last edited:
I'm almost 40, and feel like I'm screaming at kids to get off my lawn here. I love tech and progress, but Is anyone else worried about moving all these things to the cloud? We're moving towards requiring an always on internet connection for life's necessities, what happens if the internet gets taken out for an extended period (I get it's decentralized and this is unlikely, what about just Google?). We've tossed away all the old infrastructure, what are people going to do?

Your power goes out. Your water could be tainted or down for repair. THOSE are necessities.
I think they trump your internet going out for a bit.
 
I have been running Windows XP-SP2 "ONLINE" without any MS security updates for more than 10 years now without a single BSOD

It can repair itself with a simple reboot if malware is ever a problem as the O.S. is Read Only but it hasn't had a malware problem in more than 5 years

An O.S. like XP can be fixed by the end user to prevent problems from ever occurring but Spyware Platform 10 can only be fixed by Microsoft and they will never fix it for the end users

So yes, in MY lifetime, a Windows O.S. has been fixed by an end user to repair itself
How do you set that up? Please guide us! Would love that....

It is very unwise to try to teach others how to secure an O.S.
They always miss a step or two and suddenly have everything perma-wrecked!

I use several techniques for my system including Driveshield to make the O.S. Read Only, disabling or removing ALL the major malware magnets like Javascript, Flash, Net framework, Explorer, Adobe Reader etc etc etc

Using an aftermarket firewall that actually works and blocking everything except the browser from accessing the Internet

Applying all known manual mitigations and many other tweaks that took years to find, and then making a clean backup before ever going near the Internet

Trying to teach this to someone else only ends in disaster

Sorry

Antivirus.
Hardware firewall.
Stay away from shady sites.
Keep OS updated.
OS Secure!
 
My motherboard loading screen takes more time than windows. BUT WAIT! once windows 10 loads, its deceptive because it take another 20 seconds for all the startup programs to load! Mouse software (that Razer software!), Steam, Samsung Magician (SSD software), bittorrent, antivirus...etc etc. So, booting into windows takes seconds, but then u gotta wait for all the software to load cause they're needed for day to day usage. :p

On a side note, I would LOVE to use my Smartphone as an OS with just a bluetooth Monitor, keyboard and mouse. When will Google jump on making that happen? Samsung sucks at software, so their iterations are a headache to use. We need the software prowess of Google (or MS?) to step in and make it smooth as butter.
Turn all that startup crap off.
 
I have been running Windows XP-SP2 "ONLINE" without any MS security updates for more than 10 years now without a single BSOD

It can repair itself with a simple reboot if malware is ever a problem as the O.S. is Read Only but it hasn't had a malware problem in more than 5 years

An O.S. like XP can be fixed by the end user to prevent problems from ever occurring but Spyware Platform 10 can only be fixed by Microsoft and they will never fix it for the end users

So yes, in MY lifetime, a Windows O.S. has been fixed by an end user to repair itself
How do you set that up? Please guide us! Would love that....

It is very unwise to try to teach others how to secure an O.S.
They always miss a step or two and suddenly have everything perma-wrecked!

I use several techniques for my system including Driveshield to make the O.S. Read Only, disabling or removing ALL the major malware magnets like Javascript, Flash, Net framework, Explorer, Adobe Reader etc etc etc

Using an aftermarket firewall that actually works and blocking everything except the browser from accessing the Internet

Applying all known manual mitigations and many other tweaks that took years to find, and then making a clean backup before ever going near the Internet

Trying to teach this to someone else only ends in disaster

Sorry

Antivirus.
Hardware firewall.
Stay away from shady sites.
Keep OS updated.
OS Secure!
Drop the antivirus.
 
If PlayStation 5/Xbox Two can deliver 4k 60fps on single player experiences I´m done upgrading my PC for sure, and will only use it for my RTS/Moba/online FPS stuff. Nothing else. 500€ for a console and happy days not worrying anymore about a new GPU upgrade. Yeah I know PC will be able to do 4k 144hz.
No thanks. 144Hz is impossible to leave for 60Hz and paying Sony to use the internet that I already pay for is moronic and don't forget the prices of games and how they can become generation locked. XBL/PSN $50/yr after just 4yrs is $200 then if you own the machine for typical lifespan that's $400 just for online access that you already pay your ISP for. Consoles are cancer. It's well over $1K by the time you get an extra controller, paid for a few games, paid the network overlords. Ppl always say they can't afford PC but will spend over $1K on their console without realizing it.
My motherboard loading screen takes more time than windows. BUT WAIT! once windows 10 loads, its deceptive because it take another 20 seconds for all the startup programs to load! Mouse software (that Razer software!), Steam, Samsung Magician (SSD software), bittorrent, antivirus...etc etc. So, booting into windows takes seconds, but then u gotta wait for all the software to load cause they're needed for day to day usage. :p
Samsung sucks at software
they do? Someone quik tell that to Galaxy users..
Half that stuff doesn't need to be running unless making a change to the mouse software, to your SSD, actually downloading a torrent or seeding one. Toss the AV. It only takes so long because they all trying to launch at once. Turn it all off and only run what you need, much snappier. You can also adjust motherboard post delay in BIOS. Stop complaining and using defaults, manage something.
 
No thanks. 144Hz is impossible to leave for 60Hz and paying Sony to use the internet that I already pay for is moronic and don't forget the prices of games and how they can become generation locked. XBL/PSN $50/yr after just 4yrs is $200 then if you own the machine for typical lifespan that's $400 just for online access that you already pay your ISP for. Consoles are cancer. It's well over $1K by the time you get an extra controller, paid for a few games, paid the network overlords. Ppl always say they can't afford PC but will spend over $1K on their console without realizing it.
they do? Someone quik tell that to Galaxy users..
Half that stuff doesn't need to be running unless making a change to the mouse software, to your SSD, actually downloading a torrent or seeding one. Toss the AV. It only takes so long because they all trying to launch at once. Turn it all off and only run what you need, much snappier. You can also adjust motherboard post delay in BIOS. Stop complaining and using defaults, manage something.

1- I said I would keep my PC for online shooters etc. I don´t need 144hz for Single Player games, in fact my TV interpolates even 30fps games to 120hz with 5ms added input lag (samsung game motion plus. research on it). I don´t need ultra low input lag while playing God of War or Read Dead Redemption 2.

2- You are not forced to pay to use the internet. Plenty of games do not need a PS Plus subscription. From Apex, Fortnite, Pro Evolution Soccer, Mortal Kombat and many others. Plus, I have no problems paying 30€ a year if I get Rocket League, Yakuza, NBA 2k, Until dawn, Uncharted 4 and many other AAA games (24 per year to be exact) for "free". I will happily pay that because I would buy those games anyway. I also pay for early access alpha/beta titles on Steam. I also pay for Origin Acess. PS Plus offers an objectively superior service to both, so I can´t see the problem with that.

3- Console game prices are as cheap if not cheaper than PC games nowadays. We are not in 2010 anymore and Gamestop isn´t the only resource to buy games. Sony offers PSN WEEKLY sales. I´m talking about modern games, not 5 year old games like Steam sales. Even Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Metro Exodus were 40% OFF 1 month after being released. Also, just like we have on PC, you can buy digital games from the usual sellers we use on PC.

4- No one needs more than 2 controllers and there are plenty of bundles with 2 controllers included. Also, we have to buy Mouse and Keyboard on PC aswell, silly argument-

5- I never said I would stop playing PC. I said that if next gen consoles offers 4k native (not upscaled) and a good framerate, I am done upgrading my GPU and playing AAA single player titles on PC. It starts to be useless. Why would I care to play Assassins Creed with a bit more texture detail wich I can barely see and need a magnifier, if I can play it on console with very good quality already and as a plus I can also play the other AAA single player console exclusives? Easy decision.
 
Last edited:
I want a second golden age of PC Hardware like from 2010 to 2014 wherein PC Hardware Manufacturers strive for better features, quality and performance in their products instead of RGB Lighting and Tempered Glass Bullshit.
 
1- I said I would keep my PC for online shooters etc. I don´t need 144hz for Single Player games, in fact my TV interpolates even 30fps games to 120hz
I stopped here.

you should read about FRAT on blur busters. It explains what game motion plus is. Unless you think it is still the old interpolation. Also you couldnt be more wrong about consoles. Your arguments seem from 2008 on PS3 era.
 
My motherboard loading screen takes more time than windows. BUT WAIT! once windows 10 loads, its deceptive because it take another 20 seconds for all the startup programs to load! Mouse software (that Razer software!), Steam, Samsung Magician (SSD software), bittorrent, antivirus...etc etc. So, booting into windows takes seconds, but then u gotta wait for all the software to load cause they're needed for day to day usage. :p

On a side note, I would LOVE to use my Smartphone as an OS with just a bluetooth Monitor, keyboard and mouse. When will Google jump on making that happen? Samsung sucks at software, so their iterations are a headache to use. We need the software prowess of Google (or MS?) to step in and make it smooth as butter.

You don't know what you're talking about. On smartphone they also time just booting to the system. Which can take a lot longer (if it was powered off) than Windows 10 (also from power off). But apps... that's something else. You start apps on cellphone separately. On Windows you can make them load automatically, which is a nice feature, but they are separate entities. Just like on the phone.
 
My Windows PC takes about 45 minutes to boot. The first 2-3 minutes are the basic stuff. The next ~43 minutes is spent researching whether the new pending Windows patch, which MS wanted to install at shutdown, is gonna trash my machine. For example, the MS April monthly rollup would have done if I didn't spend the time to research it and hide it.

So how far in the future will it be before we eliminate that most time-consuming step?
 
What ever future is, the future MUST be more SECURE and RELIABLE, that means PC basic structure MUST as simple as possible meanwhile do not lost it's flexibility
 
INSTANT ON isn't really instant on.

When I think Instant On, I think of a smartphone.

Technically, a smartphone is always on - but the display is either off or on. You hit the sleep/wake button and it turns the display on/off. The smartphone computer itself is never really ever off.
 
mATX is too big & Mini-ITX is too small imho. the term "desktop pc" makes me think of.. desktop chassis/cases which I would like my next PC to be, or a cube, midi towers are getting boring.
 
Back