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[Squid Surprise]

So you're going to tell us that our eyes and ears are deceiving us?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

FLASHBACK, 2018: Joe Biden Brags At CFR Meeting About Withholding Aid To Ukraine To Force Firing Of Prosecutor

The arrangements had ALREADY BEEN MADE - between Obama and Ukraine... Biden was saying how the Ukranians then attempted to go back on the agreement - and Biden said "no $1 billion loan if you do" and the Ukranians caved...

I hardly think this is even remotely the same as what Trump has been accused of...

I never once stated BLM were fascist and btw there are movements that are just as bad as fascism. If you have any doubts then read up on the Bolshevik movement. Those truckers and their supports haven't destroyed one meter of public and/or private property. They are doing the same thing the protesters in Belarus and Cuba did .. protesting against a dictatorship in the making.

No... but you implied it... and the Bolshevik movement, terrible as it was, was NOT as awful as the Nazi regime - but the communist regime in Russia in the 30s, 40s and 50s (AKA Stalin's reign) was virtually indistinguishable from Fascism.

If you look back on Trump's rise to power, you will see some very eerie similarities to the strategies used by Hitler... and if you see what Putin is doing right now (Trump's good friend by the way), you will see some even closer parallels to 1938 Germany.... Swap Ukraine with Czechoslovakia... and the new independent states he is creating in eastern Ukraine - Sudetenland?

Just hoping that Biden doesn't decide to be Neville Chamberlain...

 

[Beerfloat]

How did America get to become such a diseased society?

That was clearly more of a statement than a question.

But here's a take which I'm sure you'll love:
The middle ground has disappeared. It is now more important to disagree with the other side than to do anything useful.

This in turn has led to a situation where one side, the Democrats, own almost all of the sensible, practical, science based approaches - along with a whole lot of irrelevant nonsense, sadly -, while the Republicans have had to stake out factually wrong, indefensible, gut based positions.

Even if you felt that Republicans used to have some well considered, principled, solid ideas, it is no longer possible to vote for any of them, and a lot of people who have stuck with them have had to completely abandon reality to justify it. It really is a disease, like you said.

 

[Linoleum77]

Let's see if I have this correct ... protecting our borders from illegal immigrants, promoting jobs for Americans along with being energy independent is equivalent to 'fascism'. If you want a good look at fascism in action then look no further than our neighbors to the north (Canada) and what their govt. is doing to the protesters in Ottawa.

It says ultranationalism. Definition: "Ultranationalism may begin as soon as nationalists begin to feel hostile against other nations, which may lead into conflicts. The leaders of that certain nation may want to prove just how powerful their nation is, leading up to violence and discrimination". Think of Trump against Mexico (again)... By the way, truckers are funded by fascist groups, not the opposite. These dump*sses are slowing down a whole economy and cannot care less of the freedom of people around them. Please get the correct information and stop watching Fox News.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

It says ultranationalism. Definition: "Ultranationalism may begin as soon as nationalists begin to feel hostile against other nations, which may lead into conflicts. The leaders of that certain nation may want to prove just how powerful their nation is, leading up to violence and discrimination". Think of Trump against Mexico (again)... By the way, truckers are funded by fascist groups, not the opposite. These dump*sses are slowing down a whole economy and cannot care less of the freedom of people around them. Please get the correct information and stop watching Fox News.

Trump had good relations with Mexico .. not so much with Trudeau. A US President's first and foremost responsibility is to look out for the safety and wellbeing of his country's citizens and that is what Trump did.

Under Trump's tenure as US President the US had the lowest unemployment rate recorded in fifty years, the lowest unemployment for blacks & hispanics ever recorded. The highest small business confidence index level in two decades, the highest consumer confidence index level in two decades. The US reworked NAFTA in our favor while bringing back those jobs that Obama said were never coming back. The US was energy independant for the first time since the early 1960's while the DOW hit an all time high.That's not to mention the several peace treaties signed while Trump was President including Israel with multiple Arab countries along with Serbia and Kosovo. The list goes on and on.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

The arrangements had ALREADY BEEN MADE - between Obama and Ukraine... Biden was saying how the Ukranians then attempted to go back on the agreement - and Biden said "no $1 billion loan if you do" and the Ukranians caved...

I hardly think this is even remotely the same as what Trump has been accused of...

No... but you implied it... and the Bolshevik movement, terrible as it was, was NOT as awful as the Nazi regime - but the communist regime in Russia in the 30s, 40s and 50s (AKA Stalin's reign) was virtually indistinguishable from Fascism.

If you look back on Trump's rise to power, you will see some very eerie similarities to the strategies used by Hitler... and if you see what Putin is doing right now (Trump's good friend by the way), you will see some even closer parallels to 1938 Germany.... Swap Ukraine with Czechoslovakia... and the new independent states he is creating in eastern Ukraine - Sudetenland?

Just hoping that Biden doesn't decide to be Neville Chamberlain...

The communist / bolsheviks were responsible for more deaths than any other political movement in the world's history RE Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc ..

 

[GoldenGoat]

That was clearly more of a statement than a question.

But here's a take which I'm sure you'll love:
The middle ground has disappeared. It is now more important to disagree with the other side than to do anything useful.

This in turn has led to a situation where one side, the Democrats, own almost all of the sensible, practical, science based approaches - along with a whole lot of irrelevant nonsense, sadly -, while the Republicans have had to stake out factually wrong, indefensible, gut based positions.

Even if you felt that Republicans used to have some well considered, principled, solid ideas, it is no longer possible to vote for any of them, and a lot of people who have stuck with them have had to completely abandon reality to justify it. It really is a disease, like you said.

I've always kind of seen Democrats as being idealist and Republicans as being realists. When they work together you get the best of both worlds, but these days they just want to fight with each other.

 

[Squid Surprise]

The communist / bolsheviks were responsible for more deaths than any other political movement in the world's history RE Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc ..

And as I stated... they were effectively fascist as well... and while Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler (we'll never know the true numbers), it's only because he had access to more people to kill.

Not sure about your larger point though... as Putin (who sees himself as the new Stalin) did his best to put Trump into power in the first place... Maybe ask yourself WHY he would do that?

 

[trparky]

Under Trump's tenure as US President the US had the lowest unemployment rate recorded in fifty years...

Save your breath man, these people can't handle the truth. Jesus Christ could come down and anoint Trump's head with oil and people would still find a way to hate him.

The simple fact is that the establishment elite that's been running things in the background for decades going as far back as Nixon couldn't stand the idea that someone who wasn't one of their own could become president of the US. They couldn't stand the idea of the political equivalent of the Kool-Aid man coming in and busting down the wall.

Remember, Trump was neither a Democrat or a Republican in the traditional sense. He was a nobody, not politically affiliated but he had to become a Republican in order to run since the Democrats wouldn't let him. In actuality, Trump has more in common with what's known as a New York Democrat but of course the media won't say that.

To be honest, we seriously need more populist candidates that actually listen to The People instead of big corporations have been for decades screwing the American People over. Big corporations are raking in obscene amounts of profits for decades all the while the average person on the street is barely making by. This needs to end.

Also, it's high time that we stop treating our politicians as our leaders but more like our employees. That's right, they work for us, The People of these United States. And if they don't do what we send them to Washington to do, just like you do to an employee that doesn't do their job... you fire them.

Thirdly, we need to get rid of the idea of being a career politician (I'm looking at you Nancy, Chuck, and Mitch!) out of the national politics. Again, you should want to go to Washington to do good by The People and not for your own end goals.

 

[Squid Surprise]

The simple fact is that the establishment elite that's been running things in the background for decades going as far back as Nixon couldn't stand the idea that someone who wasn't one of their own could become president of the US. They couldn't stand the idea of the political equivalent of the Kool-Aid man coming in and busting down the wall.

But they were fine with a black guy being president... but didn't want the rich white guy.... maybe you need to do a bit more critical thinking?

Maybe they didn't want Trump in power because he was a mentally unstable, bigoted, lying crook?

 

[trparky]

But they were fine with a black guy being president... but didn't want the rich white guy.... maybe you need to do a bit more critical thinking?

Except Obama was one of them, he was already a politician in the traditional sense and fully corrupted by Washington before he ran for President.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Except Obama was one of them, he was already a politician in the traditional sense and fully corrupted by Washington before he ran for President.

I still point to my second sentence which you conveniently didn't respond to... "mentally unstable, bigoted, lying crook" would be the reasons they didn't want Trump... not because he wasn't "one of them"...

 

[Beerfloat]

To be honest, we seriously need more populist candidates that actually listen to The People instead of big corporations have been for decades screwing the American People over.

He never had majority support. Who are this 'The People' you are talking about?

 

[captaincranky]

The communist / bolsheviks were responsible for more deaths than any other political movement in the world's history RE Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc ..

Y hate

Save your breath man, these people can't handle the truth. Jesus Christ could come down and anoint Trump's head with oil and people would still find a way to hate him.

The simple fact is that the establishment elite that's been running things in the background for decades going as far back as Nixon couldn't stand the idea that someone who wasn't one of their own could become president of the US. They couldn't stand the idea of the political equivalent of the Kool-Aid man coming in and busting down the wall.

Remember, Trump was neither a Democrat or a Republican in the traditional sense. He was a nobody, not politically affiliated but he had to become a Republican in order to run since the Democrats wouldn't let him. In actuality, Trump has more in common with what's known as a New York Democrat but of course the media won't say that.

To be honest, we seriously need more populist candidates that actually listen to The People instead of big corporations have been for decades screwing the American People over. Big corporations are raking in obscene amounts of profits for decades all the while the average person on the street is barely making by. This needs to end.

Also, it's high time that we stop treating our politicians as our leaders but more like our employees. That's right, they work for us, The People of these United States. And if they don't do what we send them to Washington to do, just like you do to an employee that doesn't do their job... you fire them.

Thirdly, we need to get rid of the idea of being a career politician (I'm looking at you Nancy, Chuck, and Mitch!) out of the national politics. Again, you should want to go to Washington to do good by The People and not for your own end goals.

You should apply for the job of press secretary for the "my pillow guy".

 

[trparky]

I still point to my second sentence which you conveniently didn't respond to... "mentally unstable, bigoted, lying crook" would be the reasons they didn't want Trump... not because he wasn't "one of them"...

Good point. Trump wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, the sharpest knife in the drawer, etc. I get it. I've repeatedly found myself saying "shut up Trump" back when he was president.

 

[trparky]

He never had majority support. Who are this 'The People' you are talking about?

When I talk about The People I talk about us, the average Joe Snuffy on the streets. Politicians should be working for us, not for whoever the hell has paid them the most amount of money that week.

Can we just call campaign financing what it really is? Legalized bribery.

 

[Beerfloat]

When I talk about The People I talk about us, the average Joe Snuffy on the streets.

Why makes Joe Snuffy so special that his choice makes him more The People than the millions more Americans that repeatedly voted for someone other than Trump to represent them?

 

[trparky]

Why makes Joe Snuffy so special that his choice makes him more The People than the millions more Americans that repeatedly voted for someone other than Trump to represent them?

No, I'm talking about politicians in general; not Trump. Try to keep up here.

 

[Beerfloat]

No, I'm talking about politicians in general; not Trump. Try to keep up here.

Ah, well then perhaps you should have named more examples of this type populist politician that you said we need more of, because you only mentioned Trump. Who in fact does not happen to be a candidate that I feel represents my interests. And who never had the support of a majority or even plurality of voters, who of course are all part of The People, though probably not all your precious Joe on the street.

Oddly enough, you then name some people in Congress that you think should not be there, even though they were democratically elected.

So I'll ask again, why are your People somehow more important than my People?

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Good point. Trump wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, the sharpest knife in the drawer, etc. I get it. I've repeatedly found myself saying "shut up Trump" back when he was president.

Try listening to ole racist Joe Biden. He makes Trump sound like a genius.

 

[trparky]

Oddly enough, you then name some people in Congress that you think should not be there, even though they were democratically elected.

They may have been democratically elected because let's face it... Nancy, Chuck, and Mitch have the political clout and money to be able to beat back just about any potential competition; they're essentially career politicians that are only enriching themselves. They're definitely not working for The People they claim to represent.

This is why I've often said that we need hard and fast term limits. One ten-year term and that's it! And not only that but after you're done you cannot work for any kind of political action group or think tank for a minimum of ten years after you're done.

 

[trparky]

Try listening to ole racist Joe Biden. He makes Trump sound like a genius.

Oh yeah, I know. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that Joe is good friends with a Klansman.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

And as I stated... they were effectively fascist as well... and while Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler (we'll never know the true numbers), it's only because he had access to more people to kill.

Not sure about your larger point though... as Putin (who sees himself as the new Stalin) did his best to put Trump into power in the first place... Maybe ask yourself WHY he would do that?

Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were communist. btw no idea how Putin helped Trump get elected but I do know that Putin took advantage of Ukraine during Obama's and Biden's presidency .. not so with Trump's.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

I still point to my second sentence which you conveniently didn't respond to... "mentally unstable, bigoted, lying crook" would be the reasons they didn't want Trump... not because he wasn't "one of them"...

Trump was such a crook that he lost money while President unlike Biden and his crackhead son who made millions while Joe was VP and later President. Go figure eh.

 

[trparky]

And then you have this...

Most noteworthy is what he says about Barack Obama: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

I don't know about you but that's pretty damn racist sounding and yes, Joe Biden actually said that.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Ah, well then perhaps you should have named more examples of this type populist politician that you said we need more of, because you only mentioned Trump. Who in fact does not happen to be a candidate that I feel represents my interests. And who never had the support of a majority or even plurality of voters, who of course are all part of The People, though probably not all your precious Joe on the street.

Oddly enough, you then name some people in Congress that you think should not be there, even though they were democratically elected.

So I'll ask again, why are your People somehow more important than my People?

What exactly are your 'interest'?