The Price is Wrong: This is What GPUs Should Have Cost

[redgarl]

Well, you only have yourself to blame, the techtubers, for recommending Nvidia GPUs despite their MSRPs.

I didn`t buy a single Nvidia GPUs since the 1080TI, and I don`t plan to either.

 

[redgarl]

What a biased comparison. The summary of the article is all the time

"Hmm, considering inflation and the position of the stars as we see it Nvidia demonstrates great value across the board, even the 3050 6gb. You should upgrade now!"

"No, AMD! You shouldn't consider inflation, don't consider adjusted MSRP. it's all bad, just buy that old gpu"

Yeah... Steve, and especially Tim, would recommend a product that perform worst and cost more simply because it is written Nvidia on it.

Steve literally did that on his 4080 SUPER review where he said 100$ more for a 4080 SUPER is justified over an XTX while losing in Raster.

They are quick to talk about DLSS and RTX, but they don`t talk about cracking boards, GPU soldering breaks or 12VHPWR problems.

I cannot recommend a single Nvidia High End GPUs this gen just for these engineering issues, which is not a concern on AMD`s side.

 

[gamerk2]

The "cult" of capitalism has raised several billion people from the crushing poverty of laboring 12-hour days in wheat and rice fields to the high standards of living we see today. Whereas the alternative of statist socialism has given us Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, and the DPRK's Kim dynasty -- and the hundreds of millions of their own citizens they actively murdered.

To paraphrase Churchill, capitalism is the worst economic system -- except for everything else we've ever tried.

Funny you go to Communism rather then western Socialism, which *works* and provides necessities at a far lower cost then you can get within the United States. You don't see the same levels of poverty we have here overseas, because unlike here Europe *won* its war on poverty.

I also note I specifically said "unregulated Capitalism". I also note the best economic boom period in US history was in the years between the late 30's and early 70's, when the US followed sound economic principles rather then the endless get rich quick schemes we have today.

 

[Emu81]

Something that seems to be missing from the article is consideration for the cost increase in silicon wafer production. Wafers have gotten progressively more expensive with each new lithography generation and the latest couple of generations have seen significant price increases due to diminishing market competition and increased capital costs (a single EUV machine costs over a billion dollars and that is just one of the many pieces of equipment needed for a single wafer production line).

Yes, it would be nice if GPUs were more affordable but it isn't like there isn't any valid reasons for the prices to be creeping upwards.

 

[STbob]

You put some work into this but I think you went too lets try this cool graph feature and it got too confusing with it auto moving around for a few seconds no pausing etc. It could be done cleaner without so much clutter. The details are there but a bit jumbled in the presentation.

Stick with KISS on graphs so they do not get too busy. But you show promise in being through.

 

[BogdanR]

That’s somewhat expected given we’re faced with essentially a duopoly. The price is not driven by competition but rather by what the market can bear. And apparently, especially since crypto came and went, people begrudgingly will actually pay these inflated prices.

 

[DonquixoteIII]

"The "cult" of capitalism has raised several billion people from the crushing poverty of laboring 12-hour days in wheat and rice fields to the high standards of living we see today."

You mean, like slaving in the workshops of Apple's iPhone assembly sheds for 12 hours a day? Sorry, but 'capitalism' has never been about people, or their health. Capitalism is about money, and making more of it. People are a cost, and reducing that cost helps earn more money. Money, in and of itself, has no morals, ethics, etc.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Something that seems to be missing from the article is consideration for the cost increase in silicon wafer production. Wafers have gotten progressively more expensive with each new lithography generation and the latest couple of generations have seen significant price increases due to diminishing market competition and increased capital costs (a single EUV machine costs over a billion dollars and that is just one of the many pieces of equipment needed for a single wafer production line).

Yes, it would be nice if GPUs were more affordable but it isn't like there isn't any valid reasons for the prices to be creeping upwards.

Also real estate has gotten bigger , ie the size of silicon used .
However not that simple .
Except airline prices post covid , flights from NZ to London haven't changed much for 30 to 40 years . Fuel massively increased in price . along with wages , airport charges etc

Comparing GPU to CPU - CPUs probably better value over time . Just not the cheap single or double core . with dinky motherboards

 

[p51d007]

If consumers stop buying them, the price will have to come down. But, since they won't, the price keeps going up.

 

[Nintenboy01]

I would have kept my 3070 longer but the 8GB VRAM was irritating me too much since it caused frame drops, stutters or missing texture loads in a lot of the games I play, so I got a 4070 Super. It's roughly 40-60% faster depending on the game and I figured 12GB VRAM should be enough at 1440p until the next console gen is out.
Hoping to keep it until the GeForce 6 or 7 series if possible, or whatever comes out after the PlayStation 6

 

[Steve]

Thats strange! According to AMD fanboys you need at least 12GB if not 16GB in 2024! And most PC gamers use 4K native or even higher!

Yet 3070 8GB beats 6700XT 12GB with ease in 4K/UHD native on ultra settings in terms of minimum fps

3070 has 15% higher minimum fps and they both launched at 480-500 dollars.

Not that any of these cards do 4K well, however VRAM is not the problem.

Also, DLSS is far superior to FSR, which will help alot with longevity down the road.

Developers embranced upscaling and its here to stay. DLSS/DLAA reigns supreme and most PC gamers will gladly use upscaling if performance goes up by 50-100% if not more, with built in anti aliasing and sharpening. Thats just reality.

Lets hope AMD can improve FSR alot, after all they changed approach recently and will go the AI route as well. Nvidia is just years ahead.

That graph doesn't include all the examples where the 3070/3070 Ti failed to load textures correctly. After all the work we've put into this topic over the past 12 months it's a bit disappointing to see that people who visit this web site still think VRAM is mostly an fps thing.

 

[waclark]

But Capitalism! If people are willing to purchase 50% over MSRP, then the product was clearly underpriced!

/sarcasm

So, if a company came to you and said, we will pay you 50% more than your current pay or 50% more than the average for your job you wouldn't take it?