Trump wants to use couriers for important messages because "no computer is safe"

" In fact computers can be even more secure than physical messages " That's what Hillary said !!!! HAHA!!!

In all honesty, read the post before yours, and watch the youtube video. He never said " he is going to use couriers instead of networks and infrastructure." That being said, I'm sure the current administration, and past administrations have used couriers instead of networked connections for information.
I'm not quoting hillary, and I don't care about whether she managed her infrastructure badly. Computers ARE more secure than people, in fact to be more precise, cryptography IS more secure than people. How you transmit the message is irrelevant, a really secure message can be read by everybody without having anyone understand what it says.

It's strange how all trump supporters are so similar, but again, ignorance is predominant in the world.
 
I'm not quoting hillary, and I don't care about whether she managed her infrastructure badly. Computers ARE more secure than people, in fact to be more precise, cryptography IS more secure than people. How you transmit the message is irrelevant, a really secure message can be read by everybody without having anyone understand what it says.

It's strange how all trump supporters are so similar, but again, ignorance is predominant in the world.

Its the same on both political sides my friend. People just have different political views, so when you say " ignorance is predominant in the world" you are absolutely true. Its not just republicans, that are ignorant, democrats are just as ignorant. Explain the whole " Trumps not my president " . That's ignorant! That's democrats, not republicans.

I have a feeling I just wasted time writing this because you are probably to "ignorant" to get it.
 
Yes, I am. And yes, data is more secure. Study first, speak after, not the other way around.

Sorry. No it's not. The physical object has a finite, and most importantly, a defendable list of threats the exploitation of which require observable physical action by hostile partys. Over the air does not. OTA gives information access immediately to the receiver and 'predictable' secrecy based on the concept of 'average time to decrypt'. As articles here and elsewhere have shown, that is a rapidly declining number.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150908-quantum-safe-encryption/
A Tricky Path to Quantum-Safe Encryption By Natalie Wolchover September 8, 2015
"On August 11, the National Security Agency updated an obscure page on its website with an announcement that it plans to shift the encryption of government and military data away from current cryptographic schemes to new ones, yet to be determined, that can resist an attack by quantum computers.

The NSA recognized this and started steps to create a quantum cryptography resistant ruleset. That ruleset is still based on current technology and (I quote) "laws of physics".

Try to bear in mind in this geometrically accelerating information world, the phrase should be "known laws of physics". "Spooky action at a distance" is a hundred years old now. Real quantum cryptograpy is under 10.

While Trump's comment does not reflect battlefield realities of information time value, it is the truth as we currently know it.
 
I'm not quoting hillary, and I don't care about whether she managed her infrastructure badly. Computers ARE more secure than people, in fact to be more precise, cryptography IS more secure than people. How you transmit the message is irrelevant, a really secure message can be read by everybody without having anyone understand what it says.

It's strange how all trump supporters are so similar, but again, ignorance is predominant in the world.

Well, as a somewhat informed Trump voter I would like to reply. Computers are not 'more secure' than anything. They are not. Computers allow you to set up and design systems to attempt to prevent the stupidty of the operators from damaging the 'security' of the system. The design and setup of the these systems is only as good as the knowledge level of the designers in the 'stupidity' of the users. Computers don't help there, at all. Designers are not always successful because stupid people are obstinate (not unlike Hillary supporters [fork jab']) and work very very hard at circumventing safety for their own convenience (hence ...well Hillary).

Cryptography, like everything else you are pointing at incorrectly, is only as secure as the operators. See my previous reply, how you transmit is NOT irrelevant, and the NSA says so.

The term you are using, "...a really secure message..." that can be 'read by everybody without having anyone understand what it says' is not cryptography, it is a code, a type of substitution code. eg: The Cat in the Hat does not mean the 'The Cat in the Hat' it means 'The Guy with the Hair' with the explanatory 'In the dark" as a qualifier to explain it. (for those that don't follow crypto humor, "In the dark, all cats look the same") Cryptography is one of the methods you use to prevent access to the code so very smart people won't figure out the substitution. There are others, constant broadcast being one. But to the point, cryptography IS NOT more secure than people because...people.
 
cryptography IS NOT more secure than people because...people.

Of course it's not, but indeed it's more secure than sending cleartext messages with human couriers. And with computers it's just faster, easier and cheaper. Somebody who says that sending messages using humans is more secure than computers is a plain ignorant, he ignores what security really means. He's good at talking, nothing else, and I don't like people who talk about pointless ideas faking them as realistic.

And about crypto, I really mean what I wrote, a really secure message can be read by anybody. Study private and public keys for a short and stupid example. An encrypted message without the key is garbage, it's not a "code".
 
Sorry. No it's not. The physical object has a finite, and most importantly, a defendable list of threats the exploitation of which require observable physical action by hostile partys. Over the air does not. OTA gives information access immediately to the receiver and 'predictable' secrecy based on the concept of 'average time to decrypt'. As articles here and elsewhere have shown, that is a rapidly declining number.
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Try to bear in mind in this geometrically accelerating information world, the phrase should be "known laws of physics". "Spooky action at a distance" is a hundred years old now. Real quantum cryptograpy is under 10.

While Trump's comment does not reflect battlefield realities of information time value, it is the truth as we currently know it.

Now that's interesting to read. As far as I read about it we currently don't know exactly how quantum computing works, but I might be misinformed here. Anyway an encrypted message is still more secure than a human courier, because just two people (in theory) can know the contents, which would take decades to decipher.

But again, let's see the problem from a different perspective. This is a joke, we are reading a quote about computing from an economist. Clearly there is something that doesn't make any sense here.
 
Its the same on both political sides my friend. People just have different political views, so when you say " ignorance is predominant in the world" you are absolutely true. Its not just republicans, that are ignorant, democrats are just as ignorant. Explain the whole " Trumps not my president " . That's ignorant! That's democrats, not republicans.

I have a feeling I just wasted time writing this because you are probably to "ignorant" to get it.
Insulting does not make any good for both parties. Your bad on this one, I don't care.
Democrats.. republicans.. that doesn't make a difference here. Ignorance is actually defined by the belief on prejudices instead of verified facts, and somebody who prefers partial pre-cooked ideas instead of actually thinking about it and trying to understand a problem is an ignorant. Just it.
 
Now that's interesting to read. As far as I read about it we currently don't know exactly how quantum computing works, but I might be misinformed here. Anyway an encrypted message is still more secure than a human courier, because just two people (in theory) can know the contents, which would take decades to decipher.

But again, let's see the problem from a different perspective. This is a joke, we are reading a quote about computing from an economist. Clearly there is something that doesn't make any sense here.
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This was a bit difficult to decipher your overall thought pattern. Going with the part "...an encrypted message is still more secure than a human courier, because just two people (in theory) can know the contents, which would take decades to decipher...." here is a link: http://news.mit.edu/2016/quantum-computer-end-encryption-schemes-0303. Simply typing Quantum Computing News in your search engine will get you more, but excerpted below: Note: Bolding is mine.

Because factoring large numbers is so devilishly hard, this “factoring problem” is the basis for many encryption schemes for protecting credit cards, state secrets, and other confidential data. It’s thought that a single quantum computer may easily crack this problem, by using hundreds of atoms, essentially in parallel, to quickly factor huge numbers.

We show that Shor’s algorithm, the most complex quantum algorithm known to date, is realizable in a way where, yes, all you have to do is go in the lab, apply more technology, and you should be able to make a bigger quantum computer,” says Isaac Chuang, professor of physics and professor of electrical engineering and computer science at MIT. “It might still cost an enormous amount of money to build — you won’t be building a quantum computer and putting it on your desktop anytime soon — but now it’s much more an engineering effort, and not a basic physics question.”

“Shor's algorithm was the first non-trivial quantum algorithm showing a potential of ‘exponential’ speed-up over classical algorithms,” Ritter says. “It captured the imagination of many researchers who took notice of quantum computing because of its promise of truly remarkable algorithmic acceleration. Therefore, to implement Shor's algorithm is comparable to the ‘Hello, World’ of classical computing.”

What will all this eventually mean for encryption schemes of the future?

Well, one thing is that if you are a nation state, you probably don’t want to publicly store your secrets using encryption that relies on factoring as a hard-to-invert problem,” Chuang says. “Because when these quantum computers start coming out, you’ll be able to go back and unencrypt all those old secrets.”
This was March 2016. If the message was about what building ISIS was in that day so you can say where to attack, yep, encryption works because ISIS won't find out...today. OTOH, if the message was about who and where an asset is working and their mission, a nation-state may find that very useful for another decade and more importantly, it went out into the ether so it was received by all. If the same information had gone by paper and courier and was received/stored properly, the same nation-state (or any other) has to take overt observable actions to get access. That is NOT the same received by all and computers are NOT as safe as paper within the very forseeable future.

It does not matter whether you undernstand quantum physics. It matters that someone does and, as the article points out, can apply that understanding. You can not believe me but you should keep an eye on what is being built in Utah. This is a reality that is coming and you can bet your taxes on it.

 
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