Ukraine urges Tim Cook to block the Apple App Store in Russia

Daniele 00

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The US and Russia have been having a surrogate war ... (etc)
Correction: The USA has started a war in Ukraine since 8 years, and since than Russia has been trying to end it diplomatically.
Had Russia ended it militarly 8 years ago it would have been way better: less casualty, less time spent, less problems for everybody, including me (european).

(not speaking to you, squid) Recently I have been reading comments of childrens and teens speaking about the so called Russia "invasion" so much... I can tell you: Study the recent history 1980+ (1) and get well informed on trustable source(2) before giving judgment on a topic you know little to nothin.
 

Daniele 00

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Mixed. Years receiving sanctions from Europe. You punish the big dog so much that at the end it'll bite you. Simple human nature.
thanks for your testimony. The methaphor of the dog which bite is quite fitting. Had the dog bite before it would have been better at avoiding an "harder" bite... Still, as they say, better now than later.
 

CowsGotMilk

Posts: 60   +152
Watch out guys, Kremlin trolls full of propaganda and propaganda victims are everywhere these days. One part of propaganda is attacking first and blame others of doing it.

Always check information.
 

Daniele 00

Posts: 159   +121
Watch out guys, Kremlin trolls full of propaganda and propaganda victims are everywhere these days. One part of propaganda is attacking first and blame others of doing it.

Always check information.
I agree, always check for information.
USA trolls are also out there, including in the list most of USA media outlets. And European too.
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 1,037   +771
Correction: The USA has started a war in Ukraine since 8 years, and since than Russia has been trying to end it diplomatically.
Had Russia ended it militarly 8 years ago it would have been way better: less casualty, less time spent, less problems for everybody, including me (european).

(not speaking to you, squid) Recently I have been reading comments of childrens and teens speaking about the so called Russia "invasion" so much... I can tell you: Study the recent history 1980+ (1) and get well informed on trustable source(2) before giving judgment on a topic you know little to nothin.

We got us a Ruskie troll - Ukraine for all it's faults is an independent democratic country - who is not out poisoning politicians - lots of Russians living in Estonia , Lithuania , Latvia etc - same as Ukrainians living in Rusland .
Sure lots of 2nd class citizens in nearly every country in the world - no need to invade - just an excuse for land grab ,
USA started the war - try harder - no one here believes that - Did the USA start the Afghanistan war as well?
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 5,335   +4,980
Correction: The USA has started a war in Ukraine since 8 years, and since than Russia has been trying to end it diplomatically.
Had Russia ended it militarly 8 years ago it would have been way better: less casualty, less time spent, less problems for everybody, including me (european).

(not speaking to you, squid) Recently I have been reading comments of childrens and teens speaking about the so called Russia "invasion" so much... I can tell you: Study the recent history 1980+ (1) and get well informed on trustable source(2) before giving judgment on a topic you know little to nothin.
Who "started" this war depends on how far you go back.... if you count the breakup of the USSR as the beginning of this, then I'd be blaming the Russian invasion of Afghanistan....

But most people go back to 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea after having their Russian puppet deposed from the Ukraine.... whether or not they had a right to the Crimea (Russia has just as much a claim to it as anyone), it was very obvious that the aggressors were the Russians.

When Russia has a free election, feel free to argue that they are in the "right"... I'm not saying the west is blameless in any way... but at least those nations are somewhat accountable to their citizens.

Who is Putin accountable to?
 

captaincranky

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That's what happens if a prick like Putin isn't taken care of. I liked him to an extent but since 2014 he has truly shown his real nature.
The 2014 Winter Olympics were held in Sochi, Russia. IIRC, the athletes relaxed in Crimea. That's when Putin decided he wanted it for himself.
 
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captaincranky

Posts: 18,739   +7,678
Mixed. Years receiving sanctions from Europe. You punish the big dog so much that at the end it'll bite you. Simple human nature.
Dogs are Canids, not primates, so all we have here is a poorly contrived, "mixed metaphor"..

Besides, if your, or any dog, summarily took a chunk out of your, or anyone else's leg, it would be put down, period. (metaphorically correct).

BTW, did you know that our closest living. relatives the chimpanzees wage was as well? But only the Pan troglodytes species, (common chimp).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee

The second species P paniscus, (gracile or bonobo chimp), pretty much just likes to screw all day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

This serves to explain the ultimate evolutionary triumph of Homo sapiens. We screw and wage war with equal alacrity and enthusiasm. (y) (Y):eek::rolleyes:
 
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captaincranky

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We got us a Ruskie troll - Ukraine for all it's faults is an independent democratic country - who is not out poisoning politicians - lots of Russians living in Estonia , Lithuania , Latvia etc - same as Ukrainians living in Rusland .
Sure lots of 2nd class citizens in nearly every country in the world - no need to invade - just an excuse for land grab ,
USA started the war - try harder - no one here believes that - Did the USA start the Afghanistan war as well?
Many of the youngsters here truly believe that the KGB was disbanded. When in truth, it was merely renamed as the, "FSB".

I'm starting to be legitimately concerned that we have a couple of their operatives active here at Techspot. (If only as a passing fancy).
 
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brucek

Posts: 1,126   +1,668
If I was Tim Cook, or any tech CEO, I'd be much more comfortable having a request like this come via the State Department.

I know people are cynical and think no big company will ever give up money to do the right thing, but it has happened in war time before (sometimes under tremendous coercion, other times willingly). Either way, as a tech CEO thinking about tech CEO things I wouldn't begin to think I was qualified to sort through all the (non-financial) pros & cons of any given strategy.

My guess is this request would be not be backed by the US government. If they were going to use Apple for strategic benefit it would probably be to insist on using it as a spy platform against Russia vs. turning it off in Russia.
 

psycros

Posts: 4,147   +5,779
Americans live in a country where people who provide irrefutable proof of attempted election fraud by one political faction are censored, cancelled and demonized while those who pushed lies about Russian interference are never held accountable. The Biden regime has no moral high ground to stand on and neither do those who supported its propaganda. That includes the entirely of big tech. If we start seeing Russian propagandists being censored then we should demand the same treatment for domestic ones. Either censor it all or censor none of it.
 

brucek

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irrefutable proof of attempted election fraud
Let's hear it. There are plenty of right-leaning news outlets and jurists out there. The allegations without irrefutable proof were enough to get plenty of coverage and for court proceedings to begin, from parties on all sides. A great many people on both sides were sincerely interested to hear the details.

But now, after many months, nothing ever came of it. When judges told attorneys they were ready to hear the proof, the attorneys retreated. Even Fox News, not known for high standards as far as pro-right messaging, never really got a big juicy story it could run with.

I'm sure there were plenty of small scams here and there on both sides, and as a computer person I'm too aware that there probably lots of individual precincts that could be hacked. I really wish some brave hacker would throw the results in an irrelevant race to Santa Clause just to prove the point. But as to a large-scale, successful conspiracy - if it was out there, they got away with it.
 

Squid Surprise

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Americans live in a country where people who provide irrefutable proof of attempted election fraud by one political faction are censored, cancelled and demonized while those who pushed lies about Russian interference are never held accountable. The Biden regime has no moral high ground to stand on and neither do those who supported its propaganda. That includes the entirely of big tech. If we start seeing Russian propagandists being censored then we should demand the same treatment for domestic ones. Either censor it all or censor none of it.
Care to share this “irrefutable proof”.... I call BS on that.... wait... you mean irrefutable because you want anyone opposed to it to be censored?
 

corvard

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The US and Russia have been having a surrogate war in the Ukraine for years now... This is simply the latest step in it... Is Putin an evil @ss? Yes! But is the US (and the rest of the west) blameless? Certainly not.

I feel for the people in the Ukraine - they have been hung out to dry by both sides.

I suppose they have it slightly better than the people of Afghanistan and Vietnam did when their countries were used for this war... but not much...

The jungles and loss of life in Vietnam led to sweeping changes in the US... and Afghanistan and its mountainous terrain almost certainly led to the downfall and breakup of the USSR due to continuous guerrilla warfare - but the terrain in the Ukraine makes it much harder for that to happen....
I always knew there's something rotten about Canada.
 

CowsGotMilk

Posts: 60   +152
Americans live in a country where people who provide irrefutable proof of attempted election fraud by one political faction are censored, cancelled and demonized while those who pushed lies about Russian interference are never held accountable. The Biden regime has no moral high ground to stand on and neither do those who supported its propaganda. That includes the entirely of big tech. If we start seeing Russian propagandists being censored then we should demand the same treatment for domestic ones. Either censor it all or censor none of it.

Listen folks, I hear this propaganda victims story "It's not us, it's them" all the time. Nothing new on the western front...
 

emmzo

Posts: 610   +766
There's no justification for human suffering, there's no justification for starting a war. Even if the Russians occupy Ukraine, they'll never subdue their people. Ukrainians are proud people and there will be a neverending insurgency. None of their problems with the West will be solved and a lot of people will die on both sides. I don't care that Biden is a weak president or Trump, even until recently, used to bow down to Putin, praising him as a "genius". This doesn't concern politics, but the world's peace. If we allow a democratic state to be occupied by force, where will this end? Putin said very clearly he doesn't recognize any ex-soviet republic, so next targets are the Baltic states, that are in NATO. And he has threaten Findland and Sweden. Moldova is even more likely to be immediately taken. Remember when Hitler was allowed to just take Cehoslovachia, because why do we care? And had the same argument like Putin's, supposed genocide against ethnic population? People say "oh, this isn't possible", until sh1t happens. That's why it is very important that every country and every company cuts all ties with Russia and cuts the money flow, until they stop this madness.
 

dangh

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Mixed. Years receiving sanctions from Europe. You punish the big dog so much that at the end it'll bite you. Simple human nature.
And they got those sanctions for nothing? Or for actively attacking surrounding countries and taking their land or putting puppets on the top? Russia is a rabbid dog and have to be isolated. Sanctions were required, and only put is they weren't large enough.
No country has any interest in attacking Russia. Russia is just this single bully who continue to think in the way Stalin decided years ago. Any defensive pacts like NATO are there to stop this bully from doing whatever he wants
 

amghwk

Posts: 1,187   +1,110
Would Tim choose the lesser profitable Ukraine market, compared to the huge geographically and demographically more substantial Russian market? I doubt it.

In today's world, money is king. F-k morality.
 

captaincranky

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F-k morality.
When I was a younger, more virile, and attractive man, that was my entire plan for weekends. (y) (Y)

In the meantime, how about if you join me in a cheer of encouragement for Mr. Cook?
Sic:
"Timbo, Timbo he's our man, if he can't find the backdoor in an iPhone, no one can" Goooooo.... Tim.!!
 

DrSuess

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I live in Moscow and it is no hell. I live very well here, and I am not Russian. People repeat what others told them, but they don't have any direct knowledge about the matter. First live here, next comment something about this "hell". Humbugs!
Its just a few days in, lets see if your assertion remains true. I do believe things will be better in Moscow than the rest of Russia as that is where the power lives.
 

Vulcanproject

Posts: 1,521   +2,767
Its just a few days in, lets see if your assertion remains true. I do believe things will be better in Moscow than the rest of Russia as that is where the power lives.

Indeed, Moscow and St Petersburg are Russia, but not representative of the overall living standards in the country for the average Russian. Not by a long way.

The other hundred million citizens far away from these regions live in considerably poorer conditions. There is a stark wealth inequality in Russia, more so than any other major developed economy.
 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 1,597   +1,421
We got us a Ruskie troll - Ukraine for all it's faults is an independent democratic country - who is not out poisoning politicians - lots of Russians living in Estonia , Lithuania , Latvia etc - same as Ukrainians living in Rusland .
Sure lots of 2nd class citizens in nearly every country in the world - no need to invade - just an excuse for land grab ,
USA started the war - try harder - no one here believes that - Did the USA start the Afghanistan war as well?
Ukraine is a democratic country? Yeah it’s not dude. The leader of the opposition is in jail and the Ukrainian government seized control of the state media. I’m not condoning Russia but the biggest propaganda we have seen in the west is this whole the Ukraine is a democracy bullshit. They also have a neo Nazi division in their military;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Also remember how several european countries give Russia of billions every year for oil and gas. And even help to build the pipelines and infrastructure, they haven’t made any noises of stopping this at all when they do their press conferences condemning Russia.

One thing is for sure, most Russians and Ukrainians don’t want this war. But this isn’t a good vs evil fight. It’s just evil vs evil. The only people who benefit are western weapons manufacturers and military contractors. Oh and maybe also western oil and gas prices/sales. Just like in most modern conflicts.
 

VitalyT

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Poisoning every well on the way out, is how the scum showed its merit throughout history. That's where this Ukrainian president belongs. He will rather see Ukraine burn than let Russia anex it.