US blacklists China's Loongson as its CPUs reach maturity

[mongeese]

Bottom line: The US Department of Commerce has amended the Export Administration Regulations and added 37 entities to the Entity List, which describes all the foreign organizations that US companies can't do business with. Most of the blacklisted entities are from China, including the two most influential: Loongson Technology and Inspur Group Co. Also included are various state institutions, national centers for research, equipment manufacturers, and private software companies.

About half of the targeted entities are being punished for contributing to ballistic and nuclear missile programs in China and its allied states. Most of the remaining entities, including Loongson and Inspur, are accused of acquiring American technologies on behalf of the People's Liberation Army. China confirmed that its army was using Loongson CPUs when it banned their export to Russia last year to preserve its own supply.

Entities on the Entity List are prohibited from purchasing or licensing American technologies, even indirectly. For example, Loongson can't have its CPUs manufactured by American equipment, ruling out most foundries with modern nodes. Companies can apply to the Bureau of Industry and Security for a license to sell their products to an entity on the list but under the presumption of denial, I.e., their chances aren't good.

Loongson has a small line of CPUs manufactured on the 12 nm node with comparable performance to AMD and Intel CPUs from a few generations ago. However, they're quite different under the hood and implement a proprietary ISA (instruction set architecture) called LoongArch that reduces their dependency on foreign licenses. They're manufactured by the state-owned SMIC. Given that it's unlikely to be granted a license, SMIC risks losing its American licenses and customers, including Broadcom, Qualcomm, and Texas Instruments, if it continues working with Loongson.

Inspur is the third-largest server provider in the world, capturing 10% of the global market. It now has its fingers in all the popular pies, including artificial intelligence, data analysis, and cloud computing and storage. It was already struggling after the US enacted a policy last September that made it difficult for Chinese companies to purchase the latest hardware from American producers, specifically AMD, Intel, and Nvidia. It's now at risk of being cut off from motherboards, power supplies, SSDs, microcontrollers, and all of the rest of the common computer components.

We reported last week that Chinese companies had been stockpiling chipmaking equipment for the last few months in anticipation of these, and future, restrictions on their industry. This is only the latest in a succession of strikes against China's tech industry that started with Huawei four years ago and shows no sign of slowing down.

Masthead: Louis Reed

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[RudyBob]

"Do you believe me now?"

 

[kiwigraeme]

I wonder if China has any recourse in International Law ie making a USA cake manufacturer sell it's cake to a gay Chinese company.
Won't matter as USA would ignore that ruling anyway - just like Russia, China, USA have right of VETO on UN

China is paying the cost for being so backward/cut off for so many decades

Good business proposition for USA aliens - ie us living elsewhere - Can't be a crime in NZ to onsell

What's that USA right? first doctrine ?? anyway something about when you buy something it's yours to do with as you wish

 

[kiwigraeme]

Yeah I understand export licenses make my business proposition hard
But when you think about all the cargo piracy in China South Seas - how does this happen without payoffs - plus in the Singaporean straits off Indonesia- I would not be surprised China hacks , tracks and have pirates steal to order

 

[Alfatawi Mendel]

Won't matter much anyway. The US is getting nearer Civil war with every passing day.

 

[Hexic]

Won't matter much anyway. The US is getting nearer Civil war with every passing day.

China and Russia are providing Americans more and more reason to unite every passing day as well. Nothing unites a country like a good old fashioned war.

 

[Marco Mint]

Locking the door after the horse has bolted. It seems the penny has finally dropped, but it's years too late.

 

[NikoBB]

It doesn't really matter anymore. because The West is rapidly losing human potential. From the point of view of fundamental progress, the West has hit a wall on its own. And against this background, it is much easier for China to catch up with them when the train of the West is stalling on the spot. Do not overtake, but catch up. From the point of view of advanced thinking in China, everything is bad, because. the totalitarian regime limits the thinking of wide layers of specialists and scientists. And they themselves have already openly admitted it. But in the West, exactly the same processes of enslavement of free exchange of opinions and creative spirit. We simply fall into the dark ages, when there will be almost no progress, and there will be an animal struggle for survival. But what will happen next after 100-150 years is much more interesting. Now it's all mouse fuss of Western kleptocrats against China's kleptocrats. But they have the same goals...

 

[PaulDeemer]

I wonder if China has any recourse in International Law ie making a USA cake manufacturer sell it's cake to a gay Chinese company.
Won't matter as USA would ignore that ruling anyway - just like Russia, China, USA have right of VETO on UN

China is paying the cost for being so backward/cut off for so many decades

Good business proposition for USA aliens - ie us living elsewhere - Can't be a crime in NZ to onsell

What's that USA right? first doctrine ?? anyway something about when you buy something it's yours to do with as you wish

All of the above plus China is planning to start a world war soon to take Taiwan because they need their computer foundries and semiconductor companies to survive. So why give them technology that will speed up their war plans? If they do attack Tiawan it will be last mistake they ever make.

 

[mcclurken]

China and Russia are providing Americans more and more reason to unite every passing day as well. Nothing unites a country like a good old fashioned war.

You are correct, I suspect, that is the plan or expectation. However, I'm not so sure it's going to work as effectively as the previous wars. This time half the country thinks the other half is out to kill them and take their children; one half of the country listens to news dictated by the state/corporate narrative and the other half has their own news that contradicts everything the other news says. Those sociological magicians in the 3 letter agencies may yet pull this off but it isn't looking so good right now. It looks more like the wheels are falling off the whole narrative wagon at the moment. Sanctions are always casus belli - I've learned much from Stellaris - and we're just waiting for one of the sides to declare 'Let us end this charade!'. I hope somebody backs down and de-escalates but I'm not seeing any signs of it.

 

[yannus]

It doesn't really matter anymore. because The West is rapidly losing human potential. From the point of view of fundamental progress, the West has hit a wall on its own. And against this background, it is much easier for China to catch up with them when the train of the West is stalling on the spot. Do not overtake, but catch up. From the point of view of advanced thinking in China, everything is bad, because. the totalitarian regime limits the thinking of wide layers of specialists and scientists. And they themselves have already openly admitted it. But in the West, exactly the same processes of enslavement of free exchange of opinions and creative spirit. We simply fall into the dark ages, when there will be almost no progress, and there will be an animal struggle for survival. But what will happen next after 100-150 years is much more interesting. Now it's all mouse fuss of Western kleptocrats against China's kleptocrats. But they have the same goals...

What matters is what WE DO because it's not about China and the US, it's about the enslavement of humanity, as already happened in China. Being a human gives us responsibilities.

 

[zulu53]

The next step will be to offer their best engineers (already identified by their "former" US trading partners) automatic green cards for them and their families; along with free transportation to the US. The companies will be left with user manuals and hardware that they don't understand and never will. If you were a really good engineer - would you rather work for/in the PRC or the USA? The USA's greatest weapon - a better life: that "smart" people magnet.

 

[zulu53]

It doesn't really matter anymore. because The West is rapidly losing human potential. From the point of view of fundamental progress, the West has hit a wall on its own. And against this background, it is much easier for China to catch up with them when the train of the West is stalling on the spot. Do not overtake, but catch up. From the point of view of advanced thinking in China, everything is bad, because. the totalitarian regime limits the thinking of wide layers of specialists and scientists. And they themselves have already openly admitted it. But in the West, exactly the same processes of enslavement of free exchange of opinions and creative spirit. We simply fall into the dark ages, when there will be almost no progress, and there will be an animal struggle for survival. But what will happen next after 100-150 years is much more interesting. Now it's all mouse fuss of Western kleptocrats against China's kleptocrats. But they have the same goals...

As Einstein said : "everything is relative". In other words there are no absolutes. Personally I agree that Western Civilization has hid a wall, principally because we have "lost the plot" and turned into too many consumers, thumb twiddlers (watching sport, movies and social media) and not enough producers. But we are still so far ahead of Asia relatively that I don't see them catching up anytime soon, or ever. They have a huge disadvantage never seen by previous emerging civilization - their people actually believe our portrayal (via the internet) of the Wests lifestyle - and they like it; a lot. They want to become like us and will join us in the West and "save us" from ourselves.

 

[Uncle Al]

As long as the US and other countries continue to tighten the screws on them they will eventually be forced into compliance. They keep being referred to as the newest Super Power, but when the majority of your power comes from reliance on others, it's pretty weak and won't hold up in any form of conflict. China continues to spend themselves into bankruptcy and when they get there they will be shocked to find the limited number of people or countries willing to come to their aid. Even Amazon won't be able to bail them out.

 

[rsmith222]

I wonder if China has any recourse in International Law ie making a USA cake manufacturer sell it's cake to a gay Chinese company.

Gay people are canaries in the coal mine. It's easy to mock human rights when your rights seem secure. The bottom line for that entire debate is to remember that gay people exist and therefore have the same level of human rights as others. They're not in a lower tier just because they're not like you and/or because they're less common.

As for this chip, I'm sure the US government doesn't want a chip it can't place its own 'many eyes' backdoors into, for the US public to use. That goes for the chipset, too. And, of course, that extends to all of its friends, such as the UK which seems intent on becoming the most openly-surveilled population on Earth.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Gay people are canaries in the coal mine. It's easy to mock human rights when your rights seem secure. The bottom line for that entire debate is to remember that gay people exist and therefore have the same level of human rights as others. They're not in a lower tier just because they're not like you and/or because they're less common.

As for this chip, I'm sure the US government doesn't want a chip it can't place its own 'many eyes' backdoors into, for the US public to use. That goes for the chipset, too. And, of course, that extends to all of its friends, such as the UK which seems intent on becoming the most openly-surveilled population on Earth.

I agreed about gays etc - mine was a political comment.
In america do you have a right not to sell to gay people ( this was an actual court case - bakery said was against their religion or some such - a wedding cake I think - so not just I won't sell bread ) - Compare this to international law does a country outside of war time have the right not to be discriminated against in the market place .
I have no idea - but imagine it's quite a complex legal issue

China has big boy pants and can look after itself - but what about let's ban the sale of medicine , seeds , irrigation tech to some poor countries in Africa because they want sex education in schools and hand out free condoms - what then?- This may not happen - the USA Right wants to stop donations/charity based on such ideology better to have some unwanted babies from teen pregnancies from rape - than saving people from AIDS

 

[NikoBB]

...China has big boy pants and can look after itself ...

The totalitarian society inevitably goes to collapse.

What matters is what WE DO because it's not about China and the US, it's about the enslavement of humanity, as already happened in China. Being a human gives us responsibilities.

Unfortunately, most of humanity diligently avoids civil liability, but at the same time constantly demands certain rights, the right to which it has lost through its own fault.

 

[neeyik]

Stick to the news topic, please.