Windows 10 update deleting files and causing Blue Screen of Death errors

lazer

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I really suspect that those people who write such praise of Micro$lop are people M$ hires to write praise comments to bolster their crappy slopftware.

Of course there is NO way to verify it, but I hope there is some one out there who does this kind of work that will some day come forth and admit it. Just like the obvious phony rave ratings we find on ebay and Amazon....
 

brucek

Posts: 856   +1,235
If you've ever worked for a company that distributes updates to millions of devices, you know that there's a certain "bad luck" noise level associated with any update.

A certain number of devices that are not being updated break every day, just because stuff breaks. If you've touched ten million devices, some of them are going to be devices that were going to break anyway. But you can be guaranteed those users will be sure it was your update that killed their device.

There's also a middle ground, where although not directly related to software changes (I.e., you could push a null patch with no changes), the mere act of exercising something can be what finally pushed say a hard drive over the edge.

Some user somewhere also gets confused about where they put a file or folder every day. If the day they are confused matches the day of the update, the update will get blamed.

Not saying Microsoft hasn't had plenty of real bugs, but I'm also not convinced every story I've ever heard is the result of an actual bug either.
 

hk2000

Posts: 165   +86
I got 6 windows 10 systems, I haven't had any such issues with updates. The trick is to defer upgrades and delay updates to the maximum allowed number of days.
 

trparky

Posts: 944   +1,004
I really suspect that those people who write such praise of Micro$lop are people M$ hires to write praise comments to bolster their crappy slopftware.
I have no problems with Windows 10 whatsoever, I have it running on four machines in my house. But if you say that I should be seeing a paycheck in the mail from Microsoft for my praise of Windows 10, I better go check my mailbox.

Oh yeah, it wasn't there. That's because Microsoft DOESNT'T pay me and I DON'T work for Microsoft. Though I do admit that it would probably be sweet gig to work at Microsoft but sadly, I don't. So, no paycheck from Microsoft. Woe is me.
 

Freddie159

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Completely anecdotal observation from me here, but I haven't yet had a single issue with any Windows 10 update. I'd love to know what the actual sample size of the people actually experiencing issues is.
If it were ~5+%, that would be really bad. If it's ~0.5%, that's probably within margin for error when you're talking about the millions of PCs and hardware/software configurations out there. Not that it makes it any less sucky for those affected, but still.

I'm one of the people with a DPC Watchdog Violation and last night during another reboot, it's 5th of the day, it came back Operating System Not Found!!! I have only had a few problems on some pc's since going to Win10, most of those older pc's that came up from XP, and none on this pc before yesterday. This morning I turned the pc back on and it found the OS and booted right up, but I did order a new SSD and will replace the existing one once it comes in. I will also turn off Win10 updates, I don't use MS's a/v on that pc anyway so it doesn't matter.
 
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Freddie159

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Sucky how would you feel if you have to use a huge nas and make daily backups because your windows system can fail every update you get.
I have been busy reinstalling windows almost every 2 to 3 months because this OS gets updates which actually destroys settings, forces you to use programs you do not want and keeps spying on everything you do.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to reinstall all the bought programs I own, because restoring it with backup programs does not work and using an image to restore fails time after time.
I am sick of this failing piece of blown up mess, so as soon as I can run my games on linux I will jump over quick as lightning.
Sadly I play heavily modded games the most and those do not run on linux at all.
For instance the very advanced modding of Skyrim special edition is its time far ahead with the advanced mods making the game almost lifelike. If the programs which make it possible on windows can be ported over to linux... Then micro$oft will loose a whole lot of people which would jump over as quick as I will.
But for now we are bound to this crappy OS which is created for telephone users who did not want such a crappy slow device full of security leaks.
Now they believe that the future is people using tablets and yes for young people who grow up with laptops on school and have very good eyes at their age, will not think about later when their body start to age and functions less perfect than they used too. These will learn that those desktop pc are not so bad after all.
Anyway I wanted to tell that at least 10 procent of the people I help with support with their computers suffer at least 3 to 4 times per year of failures made by M$ its super (crappy) OS.
Most of them have listened to my advise not to trust a windows pc ever, so gods sake save your important stuff never on a windows computer.
So those only call me to reinstall windows and ask me to put back the backup of the files they need back on their pc from the server I have running or from their own cloud solution.
But still 10 procent is huge for a so called stable OS which actually is a play ground for M$ to find out how what people write, do and say.
They collect so much data that I actually am considering to completely ban the damn things from my life all together.
So I am not gonna mention what I think of your comment nor what it says about you, that I let you fill it in yourself.
Too many people do not care about things as long as it does not happen to themself and that is what is wrong on this planet.
The same goes for those people like trump they do care only about themself, what happens to the rest is not his problem.
So people starving and dying because they are poor or sick is simply their fault and they should not bother those in need of another billion dollar, because that is the only thing what matters right !?!.

Try Macrium Reflect for a backup program, it's free for non business use and can be scheduled to run if you want too. I use it and do an auto backup of every pc I have, 15 of them, to a nas drive that overwrites the old one. It takes a cd to do a restore and I copy the file onto a portable drive then stick the cd into the machine that needs restoring along with the portable drive and am back up and running in under 20 minutes. I do have ssd drives in all of my pc's as their main OS drive so it's faster than a non ssd drive.
 

trparky

Posts: 944   +1,004
Windows 10 and all updates are garbage •_• thats why I installed clean windows 7 without any updates..
Would you please disconnect from the Internet? You're putting the whole Internet at risk.

Or at least have the decency to load Linux.
 

alchemist83

Posts: 67   +23
This is why I still partition my hard drives: 1 main partition for programs only. Maybe a second dedicated one for games only if the first drive gets up to 70% full (Windows OS, apps, CAD, Office, games, etc)
Then a separate one for all my files, pictures, docs, download folder, etc. I rarely every use the default user folders that Windows provides. Easier to backup, as well.
Was doing that from 2000's when 1st got my own proper PC. Now I just have whole seperate HDD's. Golden rule is to keep the OS and reinstall-able stuff on its own. Can always wipe and reinstall, start again. Trojans and the like usually primarily aim for .exe files and system directories. I .Rar all my .exe on my seperate drives. Experienced one very nasty Trojan Dropper and it attached to all my .exe on the D: after it had finished the OS drive, so be warned.
 

Red999

Posts: 100   +37
Completely anecdotal observation from me here, but I haven't yet had a single issue with any Windows 10 update. I'd love to know what the actual sample size of the people actually experiencing issues is.
If it were ~5+%, that would be really bad. If it's ~0.5%, that's probably within margin for error when you're talking about the millions of PCs and hardware/software configurations out there. Not that it makes it any less sucky for those affected, but still.
Are you using the enterprise edition? If yes, that version that version is stable because it is several version older than regular pro and home version.
 
Completely anecdotal observation from me here, but I haven't yet had a single issue with any Windows 10 update. I'd love to know what the actual sample size of the people actually experiencing issues is.
If it were ~5+%, that would be really bad. If it's ~0.5%, that's probably within margin for error when you're talking about the millions of PCs and hardware/software configurations out there. Not that it makes it any less sucky for those affected, but still.
I have to completely agree with you. I have been running Windows 10 since release. I have been using, building and working in IT since 1998; have used every iteration of Windows since 95 and could easily tell you which of those are my best and worst. Windows 10 has been the easiest and most stable version of Windows yet.

Typically speaking, most issues with Windows stability seems to come from user errors or hardware problems. I guessing that the majority of people that are complaining about how bad Win 10 is have probably been tinkering with their OS or have crap hardware to begin with.
 
Are you using the enterprise edition? If yes, that version that version is stable because it is several version older than regular pro and home version.
I use Pro and Home versions. My desktop, Home ver, has yet, knock on wood, to give me a single OS issue. I built that system in 2017 and haven't reinstalled the OS since. My wife's system is a couple years older than that and is just as stable. My laptop, also Home, keeps chugging along. My Surface Pro 3 ran Pro for 2 years, never had an issue. Surface Pro 4, 3 years on Pro, no issues. Am on day 2 of a Surface Pro 7. Crossing my fingers.
 

wiyosaya

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Alas, in the last few minutes, my company has just disabled the ability to delay updates so now they will be installed immediately. Apparently it's because some people were delaying updates for a week. You know, sensible people. I may have been one of them :)
Given I have administrative access to my work PC, I shut of updates completely.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,390   +4,717
I absolutely 100 percent guarantee the "sample size" is a a couple posts on reddit, saying they are having problems when its OTHER SOFTWARE causing the issue, that is the case nearly everytime in the past year or two.

How much are you taking from Apple to write about this incredibly trivial problem? I have deployed this update, already on many desktops AND Surface Pros.

There is NO PROBLEM with this update, and if your gonna nitpick and read everything you believe online... What about the other problems from EVERY single version of Windows that has ever existed? Virtually every update adds, but "breaks" something minor. Thats the way it is, and the way it should be for anyone who has brain 1 for computer operation.

This site is supposed to PROPAGATE new tech, yet it does nothing but hold it back.
It does not happen to me; I have never seen it, therefore, no one ever sees it = logical fallacy; (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies) besides, your sample size here is ONE.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,390   +4,717
You still need to install the security updates as soon as possible. Most hacker attacks are based on security vulnerability detailed in patch update bulletins
That is the cool aid :poop: that M$ wants you to drink. Most technically astute people understand how to avoid infections. I have done it for years - and many of those years have been without running a virus scanner.

Personally, I need my computers to run; When a WinDOHs 10 update makes my computer become unusable, the WinDOHs 10 update is the virus.
 

Freddie159

Posts: 87   +54
Stop installing windows 10 updates and you wont have a problem ever. There are tools that block windows 10 from talking to any Microsoft servers and removes all windows update services files. Its the only way to run such a piece of crap software that constantly sells your information out and if you dont know what your doing also turns your internet connection into traffic to host update files.

And if you think MS is the only one 'stealing your info' you are very sadly mistaken!! Ever since FaceBook went mainstream about it EVERY company that touches your data is taking at least some of it!! Some take more than others but ALL take some!!
 

Alfatawi Mendel

Posts: 138   +221
And if you think MS is the only one 'stealing your info' you are very sadly mistaken!! Ever since FaceBook went mainstream about it EVERY company that touches your data is taking at least some of it!! Some take more than others but ALL take some!!
At least Facebook, Google etc. don't have the audacity to charge you $100+ for what data they steal.
...AND they are upfront about what they steal.
Whereas Microshaft.......
 

Red999

Posts: 100   +37
That is the cool aid :poop: that M$ wants you to drink. Most technically astute people understand how to avoid infections. I have done it for years - and many of those years have been without running a virus scanner.

Personally, I need my computers to run; When a WinDOHs 10 update makes my computer become unusable, the WinDOHs 10 update is the virus.
I learned the hard way as desktop support in 2004 sasser attack.
Most office computers had up-to-date antivirus signature but didn't have latest windows security patches.
they were forced rebooted multiple times by sasser in infected computers. The only fix was to install the windows security patches
 

jonny888

Posts: 143   +266
That is the cool aid :poop: that M$ wants you to drink. Most technically astute people understand how to avoid infections. I have done it for years - and many of those years have been without running a virus scanner.

Personally, I need my computers to run; When a WinDOHs 10 update makes my computer become unusable, the WinDOHs 10 update is the virus.
There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. That's like saying most people know how to avoid diseases, therefore vaccinations are pointless.

Windows updates (and any OS/software updates for that matter) are not comparable to virus scanners, nor do they protect you in the same way.

You may have personally had a Windows 10 update go bad, and I'm sure that was frustrating. But advising people that turning off all security updates is going to make them safer or better off is just... wrong. And it's scary to see how many people perpetuate this kind of idea. "I had a door key break on me once and I couldn't get into my house. So I had all the locks removed instead, and you should to".

So let's try and keep things in perspective. If you're concerned about being at the bleeding edge of updates, then by all means delay them for a little while. Just don't put them off indefinitely.
 

Freddie159

Posts: 87   +54
The anecdote in the article has a person storing files and pictures on the system drive. Something I stopped doing... twenty years ago?

We had a guy at my old work who would copy whole music cd's onto his harddrive and then complain when it was running low on space. IT finally stopped him by locking down his whole system and he could no longer save any documents on the harddrive. They gave him a 16gb thumb drive and he was not a happy camper. Somehow they tied it to his login so even if he tried to use a different pc he couldn't save anything except on the thumb drive.