Windows 10 update deleting files and causing Blue Screen of Death errors

TimmyP

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I absolutely 100 percent guarantee the "sample size" is a a couple posts on reddit, saying they are having problems when its OTHER SOFTWARE causing the issue, that is the case nearly everytime in the past year or two.

How much are you taking from Apple to write about this incredibly trivial problem? I have deployed this update, already on many desktops AND Surface Pros.

There is NO PROBLEM with this update, and if your gonna nitpick and read everything you believe online... What about the other problems from EVERY single version of Windows that has ever existed? Virtually every update adds, but "breaks" something minor. Thats the way it is, and the way it should be for anyone who has brain 1 for computer operation.

This site is supposed to PROPAGATE new tech, yet it does nothing but hold it back.
 
Oddly enough , I'm on the fast skip ahead alpha ring , and never had an issue on any of my 14 PC's with a Windows update . It's sad to hear that there are users out there experiencing this . I can also tell you in days of windows 7 , I've seen and troubleshot failed bootlooops due to updates , but not a single time in win10, and I work for a national help desk provider and am on the " front lines" for these things....
 
Oddly enough , I'm on the fast skip ahead alpha ring , and never had an issue on any of my 14 PC's with a Windows update . It's sad to hear that there are users out there experiencing this . I can also tell you in days of windows 7 , I've seen and troubleshot failed bootlooops due to updates , but not a single time in win10, and I work for a national help desk provider and am on the " front lines" for these things....


I'm curious to see the hardware / software combination on some of these machines to find the culprit, because obviously it's happening .... On a very small percentage scale
 

wiyosaya

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I tried to move from 1803 to 1909 on one of my PCs that is running an E5-1650v2 running on an X79 MB. Shortly after reboot to finish the update, I get a SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION and the BSOD screen that says that it will reboot my PC for me. The reboot never happens and the system just sits there. I tried extensively to troubleshoot this, but there are no logs - nothing on what is actually causing the error.

Fortunately, nothing seems to have been deleted without my knowledge - however - I ALWAYS image backup before I apply an update.

In addition, I left the windows update services running, particularly the "Update Orchestrator Service" and since I tried to install 1909 - from DVD, BTW, this system has periodically tried to automagically apply the 1909 update, scheduled its own reboot, and left itself in BSOD state only for me to come along later an discover it. NOTE: I have updates turned off in the group policy editor, and this seems to be completely ignored; either that, or since the update failed, the update tries to reapply itself, stupidly since it failed completely.

After having figured this out, I disabled the Update Orchestrator service, and I have had no unexpected BSODs since then.

For me, this BSOD error has been going on since the 1909 update on this one system. It is the only sIntel system I own, and all my AMD systems had no problems updating. Perhaps now that it has reared its ugly head, M$ will get off their collective butts and fix the error. I tried contacting M$ techweb about this, and the only thing that they could come up with was "reinstall the OS." Where's that middle finger raised emoji when you need it. I am about to get back to that thread on techweb and tell them outright that reinstalling is a completely unacceptable solution.

I have to wonder whether this is related and that the latest WinDOHs update has just exacerbated the issue - it seems very plausible given the number of problems WinDOHs 10 "updates" have inflicted on users. I am glad that I have the technical knowledge to get out of this. I feel sorry for anyone not technically capable who experiences a WinDOHs 10 "update."
 

winjer

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Alas, in the last few minutes, my company has just disabled the ability to delay updates so now they will be installed immediately. Apparently it's because some people were delaying updates for a week. You know, sensible people. I may have been one of them :)

The IT department on your company must be really incompetent to do such a thing. Are they even aware of the trouble that Windows updates are constantly causing?
 

Paul Dougherty

Posts: 13   +8
The IT department on your company must be really incompetent to do such a thing. Are they even aware of the trouble that Windows updates are constantly causing?
The anecdote in the article has a person storing files and pictures on the system drive. Something I stopped doing... twenty years ago?
 

TimmyP

Posts: 6   +9
The IT department on your company must be really incompetent to do such a thing. Are they even aware of the trouble that Windows updates are constantly causing?

I work in IT and have already deployed this on a massive scale. This update is no different than any update for any software, ever. There is nothing wrong with it and these are smear campaigns against MS because I*iots believe whatever they read on the internet.

Sorry to the 12 people this happened to!
 

ubronan

Posts: 62   +9
Completely anecdotal observation from me here, but I haven't yet had a single issue with any Windows 10 update. I'd love to know what the actual sample size of the people actually experiencing issues is.
If it were ~5+%, that would be really bad. If it's ~0.5%, that's probably within margin for error when you're talking about the millions of PCs and hardware/software configurations out there. Not that it makes it any less sucky for those affected, but still.
Sucky how would you feel if you have to use a huge nas and make daily backups because your windows system can fail every update you get.
I have been busy reinstalling windows almost every 2 to 3 months because this OS gets updates which actually destroys settings, forces you to use programs you do not want and keeps spying on everything you do.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to reinstall all the bought programs I own, because restoring it with backup programs does not work and using an image to restore fails time after time.
I am sick of this failing piece of blown up mess, so as soon as I can run my games on linux I will jump over quick as lightning.
Sadly I play heavily modded games the most and those do not run on linux at all.
For instance the very advanced modding of Skyrim special edition is its time far ahead with the advanced mods making the game almost lifelike. If the programs which make it possible on windows can be ported over to linux... Then micro$oft will loose a whole lot of people which would jump over as quick as I will.
But for now we are bound to this crappy OS which is created for telephone users who did not want such a crappy slow device full of security leaks.
Now they believe that the future is people using tablets and yes for young people who grow up with laptops on school and have very good eyes at their age, will not think about later when their body start to age and functions less perfect than they used too. These will learn that those desktop pc are not so bad after all.
Anyway I wanted to tell that at least 10 procent of the people I help with support with their computers suffer at least 3 to 4 times per year of failures made by M$ its super (crappy) OS.
Most of them have listened to my advise not to trust a windows pc ever, so gods sake save your important stuff never on a windows computer.
So those only call me to reinstall windows and ask me to put back the backup of the files they need back on their pc from the server I have running or from their own cloud solution.
But still 10 procent is huge for a so called stable OS which actually is a play ground for M$ to find out how what people write, do and say.
They collect so much data that I actually am considering to completely ban the damn things from my life all together.
So I am not gonna mention what I think of your comment nor what it says about you, that I let you fill it in yourself.
Too many people do not care about things as long as it does not happen to themself and that is what is wrong on this planet.
The same goes for those people like trump they do care only about themself, what happens to the rest is not his problem.
So people starving and dying because they are poor or sick is simply their fault and they should not bother those in need of another billion dollar, because that is the only thing what matters right !?!.
 

jonny888

Posts: 143   +266
The IT department on your company must be really incompetent to do such a thing. Are they even aware of the trouble that Windows updates are constantly causing?
IT departments are charged with (among other things) making sure that systems are kept secure and up to date. Unless you want your data stolen (more frequently) because companies refuse to install those updates, you should be happy that this kind of practice is in place.
Coincidentally this is also a good reason for to install Windows updates yourself. Granted, you can always leave a grace period if you don't want to install it 'fresh of the presses', but ultimately it's in people's own best interest.
 

winjer

Posts: 199   +746
IT departments are charged with (among other things) making sure that systems are kept secure and up to date. Unless you want your data stolen (more frequently) because companies refuse to install those updates, you should be happy that this kind of practice is in place.
Coincidentally this is also a good reason for to install Windows updates yourself. Granted, you can always leave a grace period if you don't want to install it 'fresh of the presses', but ultimately it's in people's own best interest.

I'm not saying not to install windows updates. Only to delay a week or two.
 

Polycount

Posts: 2,867   +575
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I deleted everything on my HDD just to stick it to Microsoft. Can't delete **** now.
Clever... I wonder if that's what the next update Microsoft releases will do?

"We've noticed that some users are experiencing a frustrating file-deletion bug with the latest Windows 10 update. To rectify this situation, we are currently pushing out a mandatory patch that will delete all files on your system, so that future updates will not have the same problem."
 
It is so annoying, It started updating my computer while I was working on it and out of nowhere, it told me that the computer was shutting down and it never turned back on. After I turned it back on I was able to login but my explorer window wouldn't open. It seemed like the update was cut in half since I was missing a lot of files. None of the recovery options would work. They all failed, startup repair, disk repair system restore. I was able to copy the explorer file from a different computer and place it in my C:/Windows direcory and after that I was able to finish the update and get it working. The whole thing took me about two hours to figure out.
 

Bullwinkle M

Posts: 551   +439
I am enjoying my daily driver Win 8.1 Pro every day....!
So true

I'm still running the 90 day trial of Windows 8.1 Enterprise
It's still on day 1 of the 90 days after 10 years of use (Too Cool)

Not worried about ransomware or any other malware due to the fact that my copy of Windows 8.1 is Read Only and malware cannot be installed

Same with my online copy of XP
It's Read Only and has ZERO Microsoft updates
It never breaks due to malware and ransomware does not affect it at all

Blocking malware is easy once you stop jumping through Microsoft's hoops on their endless treadmill to nowhere

Spyware Platform 10 cannot ever be fixed by the end user
Even a Read Only copy of win 10 is still backdoored pile of garbage


 

umbala

Posts: 399   +564
Completely anecdotal observation from me here, but I haven't yet had a single issue with any Windows 10 update. I'd love to know what the actual sample size of the people actually experiencing issues is.
If it were ~5+%, that would be really bad. If it's ~0.5%, that's probably within margin for error when you're talking about the millions of PCs and hardware/software configurations out there. Not that it makes it any less sucky for those affected, but still.
I doubt we're talking 0.5% of users here, that would be way too high. I'm thinking more like 0.0001% of users are experiencing this problem.
 

p51d007

Posts: 2,828   +2,180
Completely anecdotal observation from me here, but I haven't yet had a single issue with any Windows 10 update. I'd love to know what the actual sample size of the people actually experiencing issues is.
If it were ~5+%, that would be really bad. If it's ~0.5%, that's probably within margin for error when you're talking about the millions of PCs and hardware/software configurations out there. Not that it makes it any less sucky for those affected, but still.

It's probably not so much the number of people that experienced the error, but WHO those people were. Top line CEO's, Hollywood types, tech site gurus etc. ;)
 

umbala

Posts: 399   +564
So true

I'm still running the 90 day trial of Windows 8.1 Enterprise
It's still on day 1 of the 90 days after 10 years of use (Too Cool)

Not worried about ransomware or any other malware due to the fact that my copy of Windows 8.1 is Read Only and malware cannot be installed

Same with my online copy of XP
It's Read Only and has ZERO Microsoft updates
It never breaks due to malware and ransomware does not affect it at all

Blocking malware is easy once you stop jumping through Microsoft's hoops on their endless treadmill to nowhere

Spyware Platform 10 cannot ever be fixed by the end user
Even a Read Only copy of win 10 is still backdoored pile of garbage
Hilarious post! You're running an outdated 10 year old OS with zero security updates and you think setting something read-only is going to protect you? There's no such thing as read-only Windows. And even if there was, you think malware is going to simply respect a read-only flag? You sound like total compute pro though!
 

Bullwinkle M

Posts: 551   +439
Hilarious post! You're running an outdated 10 year old OS with zero security updates and you think setting something read-only is going to protect you? There's no such thing as read-only Windows. And even if there was, you think malware is going to simply respect a read-only flag? You sound like total compute pro though!
Hahahaha

No, I am NOT running a 10 year old copy of Windows without any security updates

Windows 8.1 Enterprise has all the latest updates

I am running a 20 year old O.S. "ONLINE" without any Microsoft security updates!

Windows XP SP-2 has not had a Blue Screen of Death in over 10 years and has not had ANY malware problems in over 6 years


XP is protected with Driveshield making it Read Only and 8.1 is in Shadow Mode, protected with Shadow Defender

Malware cannot disable either one but XP is most secure of the two

Stop being a Noob and you can learn about Security from a Pro like ME!
 

PEnnn

Posts: 635   +617
I had to help someone utilize MS's hide update tool to prevent this update from happening again. He has a couple of small programs he runs that requires ActiveX to run with them and he kept getting ActiveX not installed message when he tried to launch his programs.

He did a system restore before the update and then blocked it. If anyone wants to utilize this tool from MS for windows 10, you can find it here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026726/windows-10-hide-updates-or-driver-updates
Strangely enough, I tried that tool and it will crash the moment I run it!

I removed the problematic update, did a system restore and disabled WU in Services, then created a new Restore Point....just in case!
I doubt I will update for another year or so....
 

Red999

Posts: 100   +37
Stop installing windows 10 updates and you wont have a problem ever. There are tools that block windows 10 from talking to any Microsoft servers and removes all windows update services files. Its the only way to run such a piece of crap software that constantly sells your information out and if you dont know what your doing also turns your internet connection into traffic to host update files.
You still need to install the security updates as soon as possible. Most hacker attacks are based on security vulnerability detailed in patch update bulletins
 

Red999

Posts: 100   +37
I am enjoying my daily driver Win 8.1 Pro every day....!
Same as me with my haswell laptop. We will have trouble free windows 8.1 until January 2023.

I have tried multiple windows 10 versions and all of them caused freezes when waking from standby. Updated bios and drivers didn't help either.
 

Puiu

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The IT department on your company must be really incompetent to do such a thing. Are they even aware of the trouble that Windows updates are constantly causing?
I seriously doubt that updates will affect the majority of the systems. This seems to be very limited to only a few individuals. It's not even know if the update itself is the problem something else that the user has installed and didn't like the update.
 

lazer

Posts: 392   +119
May revert to windows 7 or linux as windows 10 is failing miserably lately
I use win7 for years and NO updates. works good that way. on other computer, I have linux, also works good except for older paid programs...