Xbox One in 2014: March update, white console, maybe a cheaper model

Otherwise, I won't complain like a kid because it has 1 feature I don't want.
You might complain if that one feature could not be disabled and was keeping you from getting what you did want. Keeping the "It doesn't effect me" attitude, never helps in the grand scheme of things. Besides the customer(plural) is always right. The question is exactly which customers are willing to stand, for what they believe in. It doesn't look like you are.
 
This would be a good idea if you could buy game codes from retailers and only keep the game as long as you retain ownership of the code (it could be on a card in a DVD case from the retailer). Then you have your digital version and it can be traded second hand. And this xbox becomes a good idea. But it won't happen. It's a **** idea. Dropping the kinect to sell the low powered xbox with at least a bluray would work.
 
Some people went way overboard.
No one in this thread should be complaining about kinect, as its sort of irrelevant. What some (including me) were doing was simply saying it would be better to remove kinect than the optical drive.
Especially since used games/really good sales are not present from the xbox marketplace

And yea, we all have different opinions. But as it says in GhostRyders sig,
"If you can't debate without resorting to insulting the other, then you lost."

In response to the reply you posted as I was typing mine, Kinect has had a couple of years. I can, however, see kinect being fantastic as things like the oculus rift and valve's VR keep pushing into the market.
Stating that you don't want the Kinect and would've bought the XB1 if you had the option of Kinect or not, is fine. Just an opinion. But it's when you feel entitled (I sure like repeating that, don't I?) and demand that they shouldn't have it (and never should have) is when I point it out (because it pisses me off).

And yeah, Kinect has had a couple of years, but as an optional accessory. Now it's a different story. It's the cheapest motion sensing, webcam, IR cam, mic there is :p and it does indeed have potential. But it needs more time to see if it's just a gimmick or not...
 
You might complain if that one feature could not be disabled and was keeping you from getting what you did want. Keeping the "It doesn't effect me" attitude, never helps in the grand scheme of things. Besides the customer(plural) is always right. The question is exactly which customers are willing to stand, for what they believe in. It doesn't look like you are.
As I said, I would not complain like a kid.
I would state my opinion, sure. But demanding the Kinect becomes optional is just.. childish.

The customer(plural) can be right, yes, but you can't be throwing that phrase around for BS reasons. And no, I don't believe in hating an unproven Kinect just because I haven't tried it, or am unwilling to see potential :p
 
Keep Kinect; removing it will undermine the whole idea. Keep BluRay if possible for game install, but I already have two Blu-ray players (and household has at least one).
 
Around the time of the console's launch, Microsoft stated that the Kinect and TV-in features are integral parts of the Xbox One, so it does seem more likely that the Blu-ray drive will removed for any low-cost version.

"...the Blu-ray drive will removed.." - How's that now? I don't understand what was said there in the article.

In any case, I'm all for lower cost. That would get me off the fence and buying an Xbox One. (if any are ever in stock at the game shops!) And I'd love to see a white version.
 
The trouble with an all-digital XB1, is that I, as a consumer, want assurances that I'll have options for who to buy from. On the PC, I can get great deals on games, because Steam competes with Amazon PCDD, Gamefly, GOG, etc. I don't own an XB1 yet, but as an XBOX 360 owner, I don't like that the marketplace is solely Microsoft. There are "deals" sure, but no competition for my business. I have no leverage as a consumer.
 
Making things more efficient by taking unnecessary power from the Kinect does not mean they are distancing themselves from it.
And if you think that this machine is just marketed for gamers, then you're mistaken. Only an entitled "gamer" would think that the Kinect shouldn't be included because they (key word there) don't like it -_-

Yes, it does mean they are beginning to distance themselves from Kinect. How is it possible that Kinect can operate efficiently if Microsoft is starting to divert resources from it to boost the XB1's core function which is playing games?

As for whether the machine is marketed for gamers, well, Microsoft learned that this lesson the hard way when its machine debuted last year. The system is for gamers first and foremost and most gamers never cared for Kinect. I'm pretty sure Microsoft has internal data which shows the amount of use for Kinect and slowly but surely coming around to the fact that no one really uses it.
 
Yes, it does mean they are beginning to distance themselves from Kinect. How is it possible that Kinect can operate efficiently if Microsoft is starting to divert resources from it to boost the XB1's core function which is playing games?

As for whether the machine is marketed for gamers, well, Microsoft learned that this lesson the hard way when its machine debuted last year. The system is for gamers first and foremost and most gamers never cared for Kinect. I'm pretty sure Microsoft has internal data which shows the amount of use for Kinect and slowly but surely coming around to the fact that no one really uses it.
If the game doesn't use the Kinect, then why lock some power for it? It's for efficiency where the developer doesn't need Kinect -_-

It's marketed as an all-in-one gaming console, yes, but it's also marketed for people who would use it for media.
And go ahead and make your assumptions. I'm sure they are correct /endSarcasm
 
If the game doesn't use the Kinect, then why lock some power for it? It's for efficiency where the developer doesn't need Kinect -_-

It's marketed as an all-in-one gaming console, yes, but it's also marketed for people who would use it for media.
And go ahead and make your assumptions. I'm sure they are correct /endSarcasm


Your question is better suited for Microsoft. They're the ones contemplating moving power away from Kinect to the system itself.

Yes, it is being marketed as an all-in-one gaming console, but Microsoft has never adequately explained how Kinect fits into this model. Using motion controls and voice recognition that works half the time. And the machine can be used for media without the Kinect, but then that raises the other question: If this is being used for media why strip out any Blu-Ray functionality?

And making assumptions? This coming from a guy who says that gamers who don't want Kinect are acting "self entitled"? A little self-awareness please.
 
Your question is better suited for Microsoft. They're the ones contemplating moving power away from Kinect to the system itself.

Yes, it is being marketed as an all-in-one gaming console, but Microsoft has never adequately explained how Kinect fits into this model. Using motion controls and voice recognition that works half the time. And the machine can be used for media without the Kinect, but then that raises the other question: If this is being used for media why strip out any Blu-Ray functionality?

And making assumptions? This coming from a guy who says that gamers who don't want Kinect are acting "self entitled"? A little self-awareness please.

Kinect is as it always has been a "Party Device" with fun games designed to get you to move around and play with friends. The Voice recognition, facial recognition, and motion gestures work well and give the user the feeling of an advanced device with fun features in a device marketed as an "all in ONE". Whether or not you like it, the Kinect is part of the console for people to have a wide array of features and ability to do things without need of a controller. Your not required to use it of course, but its a nice device that works a little more than half the time id say (The facial recognition is spot on in any type of light and for me at least the voice recognition works on all but one command for me for more than 90% of the time, the hand gestures work but I never really use them). I won't defend the Kinect as being "The future of gaming" or even the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it deserves more credit than it is given in all honesty.

I know alot of people say just get rid of the Kinect as the old "I do not want it so it does not need to be there" argument is popular in that area. However if you want something to succeed like this, it has to be a basic amenity of the console otherwise it will never get the 3rd party support it needs no matter how good it is. I do agree with people on the whole removal of the blu-ray not being the best move to reduce cost in my book even though I like the idea of having the downloadable games be available more because its alot more simplistic and more money goes to the developers which is way it should be.
 
I don't have an allegiance or a dog in the fight as I am primarily a PC gamer and can live without consoles.

Sony looks way more attractive at this point.
 
I'm just pissed they are going to release a 1TB model so early.. I wish they would've all came with 1TB on release.
 
Your question is better suited for Microsoft. They're the ones contemplating moving power away from Kinect to the system itself.

Yes, it is being marketed as an all-in-one gaming console, but Microsoft has never adequately explained how Kinect fits into this model. Using motion controls and voice recognition that works half the time. And the machine can be used for media without the Kinect, but then that raises the other question: If this is being used for media why strip out any Blu-Ray functionality?

And making assumptions? This coming from a guy who says that gamers who don't want Kinect are acting "self entitled"? A little self-awareness please.
I think GhostRyder summed it up just nicely. You certainly aren't giving the Kinect enough credit.

And I said "gamers" who demand there to be no Kinect are self entitled. Be more aware of what was said next time...
 
I think GhostRyder summed it up just nicely. You certainly aren't giving the Kinect enough credit.

And I said "gamers" who demand there to be no Kinect are self entitled. Be more aware of what was said next time...

Semantics; yours is still an assumption.
 
As I said, you don't get it. You still are self entitled, thinking it has to be your way with your "customer is always right" BS.
Ps. I don't have any next gen system because I don't "need to have a kinect" or care for the "most powerful" system. If I think it's worth my money, I'll buy one. Otherwise, I won't complain like a kid because it has 1 feature I don't want.

So instead you'll assume because you don't care about a feature that comes with a console you have no intention on buying that your right about what other people want? How in the hell can you call me self entitled, are you not aware of the meaning? Or as you already pointed out you merely love to throw around the word out of context.

And I said "gamers" who demand there to be no Kinect are self entitled. Be more aware of what was said next time...

No these are people who are hoping Microsoft listen to them, this is how Customer get things changed in their favor. Why you think this makes them self entitled...??? Your basically admitting that you've never been dissatisfied with something and in turn said something about it. However you will complain about people trying to stand up for what they believe in, because YOU can't understand their perspective of the problem, instead dismiss the issue as "Stop being so self entitled and knowing what you want" Clearly you've never worked customer service.

No one in this thread should be complaining about kinect, as its sort of irrelevant. What some (including me) were doing was simply saying it would be better to remove kinect than the optical drive.

And that was the point I was originally trying to get across, why remove a useful feature like a Bluray drive when there's already an accessory that can easily be made optional in an effort to make a less expensive option when buying the Xbox One.
 
So instead you'll assume because you don't care about a feature that comes with a console you have no intention on buying that your right about what other people want? How in the hell can you call me self entitled, are you not aware of the meaning? Or as you already pointed out you merely love to throw around the word out of context.

No these are people who are hoping Microsoft listen to them, this is how Customer get things changed in their favor. Why you think this makes them self entitled...??? Your basically admitting that you've never been dissatisfied with something and in turn said something about it. However you will complain about people trying to stand up for what they believe in, because YOU can't understand their perspective of the problem, instead dismiss the issue as "Stop being so self entitled and knowing what you want" Clearly you've never worked customer service.

And that was the point I was originally trying to get across, why remove a useful feature like a Bluray drive when there's already an accessory that can easily be made optional in an effort to make a less expensive option when buying the Xbox One.
I will say this one last time (because of your ignorance, and because I'll just assume you are trolling beyond this):
Stating that you do no like the Kinect and will not buy an XB1 because of it, is fine. It's your opinion. Saying that you and EVERYONE else hates the Kinect and it should be removed because of that, is annoying and makes you out to be self entitled (because you don't want it and you feel entitled to having it your way, as in no Kinect).
If I wanted to show my dissatisfaction in something that has positive merits, I wouldn't childishly hate on it.

Have I made myself clear enough for you? (take that as a rhetorical question. I don't care for a reply)
 
They'll never drop kinect. They want developers to develop for it. The only way to do that is to show a large install base. Right now 100% of Xbox One consoles have Kinect
 
"I would state my opinion, sure. But demanding the Kinect becomes optional is just.. childish.



The customer(plural) can be right, yes, but you can't be throwing that phrase around for BS reasons. And no, I don't believe in hating an unproven Kinect just because I haven't tried it, or am unwilling to see potential :p"

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No, I won't go up to M$ HQ and hold a gun up to everyone and demand that they release a cheaper version of the XB1 without kinect and/or a blueray drive, however, I'm not paying $100-$200 for something I do not plan to use probably at all. I'm not the only one and quite honestly, developers have less to worry about when less people buy a console with the required specs to play their games. No one knows for sure how many sales are lost for this very reason but I imagine there probably is a significant market M$ COULD tap into, if it chose to. It personally wouldn't surprise me if M$ sold the xbone 1 without the kinect or blueray drive, which that alone can be cheaper than the ps4 as is, and made about 1.5 times the sales it has so far.

It's also obvious M$ is just trying to cram **** people don't even want down their throats especially when they fire certain special people on the xbox 1 team because of it. I don't blame them they do just want to make money after all, but there's a difference in being smart about and just hoping for the best. Quite honestly, they only way M$ could make a smart move out of this is to release the cheaper model without BOTH the blueray drive AND the Kinect a year or 2 after it's release making it cheaper than the ps4. They get the suckers (and the lesser few who actually want everything the xbox ships with) right out of the release for the first year or so and then wait a while to bring down the cost for everyone else.

I don't want a cheaper version of the wii + an xbox + a blueray player. I just want an xbox personally.
 
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