'Zelda: Breath of the Wild' is capped at 900p / 30 fps on the Switch

[yRaz]

That's true, and the game will be running at 720p on the Switch's display since that's its max resolution. 900p and 1080p might not be a big difference on a 6 inch screen, but on a large TV it's definitely noticeable.

well the Xbox 360 and PS3 rendered at 720 and then up-scaled to 1080, I don't remember seeing people complaining about that. I also don't understand the difference of whether it's the console or the TV doing the up scaling.

I really don't understand all the hate that the switch is getting. People didn't care that Wii was capped at 480P while the 360 and PS3 were out and it outsold both. The Switch is the most innovative console I've ever seen and seems to be ever better executed.

It costs less than an iPad and comes with more. It's mind boggling to me why this thing is doing so much. Everyone else just does the same old thing and everyone goes nuts for them, but Nintendo does something different and does it really well and suddenly everyone hates it? Everyone is saying it's underpowered? IT'S A ****ING 6'' TABLET!!!!!!! What do you think they're going to do, put a GTX1080 in something the size of a book?

 

[Slappy McPhee]

Do you not understand form factor? It's a hell of an acheivemeant what they got in that little thing. Need I remind you that other consoles are capped at 30fps? If you want eye candy get a PC. Nintendo has never been and never will be about pushing the graphics envelope.

it's not an achievement when the Nvidia Shield seems to have much better hardware. for the price nintendo is asking you get too little. the peripherals are very expensive and you only get 32GB internal storage. As for their online services plans... Nintendo seems to be living in a dream world, or the guys working there are on shrooms.

Since nintendo is marketing the Switch as a home console the fact that it can't run something like Zelda at 1080p is disappointing. 720p for the portable mode is good.

The new gen Shield has Pascal....Big deal. The performance won't be much more than the first one. Nvidia is touting software improvements and feature enhancements. I am no sold on them and had been pretty interested in picking one up. As for the memory you are right there however the Switch can accept up to 2TB cards so who really cares? Nintendo Nevers sells a console at a loss unlike the others which is smart. Lastly of course the Shield is cheaper with more storage because they manufacture most of their own components and don't have to upcharge to make a profit since the do that.

 

[Slappy McPhee]

That's true, and the game will be running at 720p on the Switch's display since that's its max resolution. 900p and 1080p might not be a big difference on a 6 inch screen, but on a large TV it's definitely noticeable.

well the Xbox 360 and PS3 rendered at 720 and then up-scaled to 1080, I don't remember seeing people complaining about that. I also don't understand the difference of whether it's the console or the TV doing the up scaling.

I really don't understand all the hate that the switch is getting. People didn't care that Wii was capped at 480P while the 360 and PS3 were out and it outsold both. The Switch is the most innovative console I've ever seen and seems to be ever better executed.

It costs less than an iPad and comes with more. It's mind boggling to me why this thing is doing so much. Everyone else just does the same old thing and everyone goes nuts for them, but Nintendo does something different and does it really well and suddenly everyone hates it? Everyone is saying it's underpowered? IT'S A ****ING 6'' TABLET!!!!!!! What do you think they're going to do, put a GTX1080 in something the size of a book?

Amen. Preach brother!

Let's just continue to play the same crap that developers for the PS and Xbox keep making because hey they are at a higher resolution you know because that is what counts. My only real concern is possible shovel ware as well on the switch like what happened to the Wii. I am dismayed as well that they want to charge $40 for 1,2, Switch when it is pretty much a tech demo that should be a pack in.

 

[Puiu]

The new gen Shield has Pascal....Big deal. The performance won't be much more than the first one. Nvidia is touting software improvements and feature enhancements. I am no sold on them and had been pretty interested in picking one up. As for the memory you are right there however the Switch can accept up to 2TB cards so who really cares? Nintendo Nevers sells a console at a loss unlike the others which is smart. Lastly of course the Shield is cheaper with more storage because they manufacture most of their own components and don't have to upcharge to make a profit since the do that.

You do realise that there are no 2GB sd cards on the market right? (max is 512) a 256GB one is ~100$.
Yes, nintendo wants to make as big of a profit as they can, but it doesn't change the simple fact that they made some really stupid decisions (both software and hardware). this is why people are upset. Nintendo is once again trying to sell a console based on gimmick hoping that nostalgia will help boost sales. They haven't learned anything from their past mistakes and are making even bigger ones.

I hope for their sake that nostalgia will be enough because they lack games, online services and good hardware. If only they had a more decent price on the peripherals.

 

[Kibaruk]

You do realise that there are no 2GB sd cards on the market right? (max is 512) a 256GB one is ~100$.
Yes, nintendo wants to make as big of a profit as they can, but it doesn't change the simple fact that they made some really stupid decisions (both software and hardware). this is why people are upset. Nintendo is once again trying to sell a console based on gimmick hoping that nostalgia will help boost sales. They haven't learned anything from their past mistakes and are making even bigger ones.

I hope for their sake that nostalgia will be enough because they lack games, online services and good hardware. If only they had a more decent price on the peripherals.

We get it, you won't buy one, now stop bitching about it.

 

[Slappy McPhee]

The new gen Shield has Pascal....Big deal. The performance won't be much more than the first one. Nvidia is touting software improvements and feature enhancements. I am no sold on them and had been pretty interested in picking one up. As for the memory you are right there however the Switch can accept up to 2TB cards so who really cares? Nintendo Nevers sells a console at a loss unlike the others which is smart. Lastly of course the Shield is cheaper with more storage because they manufacture most of their own components and don't have to upcharge to make a profit since the do that.

You do realise that there are no 2GB sd cards on the market right? (max is 512) a 256GB one is ~100$.
Yes, nintendo wants to make as big of a profit as they can, but it doesn't change the simple fact that they made some really stupid decisions (both software and hardware). this is why people are upset. Nintendo is once again trying to sell a console based on gimmick hoping that nostalgia will help boost sales. They haven't learned anything from their past mistakes and are making even bigger ones.

I hope for their sake that nostalgia will be enough because they lack games, online services and good hardware. If only they had a more decent price on the peripherals.

If you don't like then don't buy one. I personally think k the Xbox One and PS4 Pro are junk. You want a real gaming experience then buy a PC plain and simple. Run Launch Box with Big Box and you have a perfect TV setup. To me the bulk of these so called Triple AAA titles are just paying $60+ for rehashes of the same white over and over again. Not to mention having to install games? Once again, if I have to install a game then I am sure as hell going to do it on a PC which can be images for back up in case of hardware failure, etc. You may not like it, bit the world is moving in the direction of gaming on the go. Just look at all the success of mindless mobile games like Candy Crush and Mobile Strike. The Switch very well may be the first generation of what is to come. Mark my words. MS and PS may very well join in on the bandwagon. PS may have had the Vita, etc but they didn't do a dock for ease of use on a big screen. As long as developers actually do something with the tech in the Switch is will succeed plus we haven't even gotten into the possibility of VR. Even though I think VR as well will take years to be worth even using. The industry is still tinkering with that and will do so for a long time. Lastly at least Nintendo is TRYING to do something different and Innovative instead of just cashing in on the continuous line of drivvle they call Call of Duty, Gears of War, Halo, etc.

 

[Puiu]

If you don't like then don't buy one. I personally think k the Xbox One and PS4 Pro are junk. You want a real gaming experience then buy a PC plain and simple. Run Launch Box with Big Box and you have a perfect TV setup. To me the bulk of these so called Triple AAA titles are just paying $60+ for rehashes of the same white over and over again. Not to mention having to install games? Once again, if I have to install a game then I am sure as hell going to do it on a PC which can be images for back up in case of hardware failure, etc. You may not like it, bit the world is moving in the direction of gaming on the go. Just look at all the success of mindless mobile games like Candy Crush and Mobile Strike. The Switch very well may be the first generation of what is to come. Mark my words. MS and PS may very well join in on the bandwagon. PS may have had the Vita, etc but they didn't do a dock for ease of use on a big screen. As long as developers actually do something with the tech in the Switch is will succeed plus we haven't even gotten into the possibility of VR. Even though I think VR as well will take years to be worth even using. The industry is still tinkering with that and will do so for a long time. Lastly at least Nintendo is TRYING to do something different and Innovative instead of just cashing in on the continuous line of drivvle they call Call of Duty, Gears of War, Halo, etc.

actually the whole "gaming on the go" works against the switch.
and the whole "trying to do something different"... they just took the nvidia shield tablet and added motion controls. yay for innovation?

We get it, you won't buy one, now stop bitching about it.

neah, I'm just trying to understand why people are defending the serious shortcomings of the switch and the bad decisions made by nintendo.
- the 32 GB? - "but you can buy SDXC and cartridges!" - woopty doo, to be able to play more than 2-3 games you have to pay more and/or carry cartridges with you.
- the low end specs - "nobody cares about TV mode anyway" - O_o
- the high priced peripherals? - "nintendo quality!" - O_o
- the god awful online services that you will also need to pay for in fall? - "but MS and Sony are doing the same!" - you can't even compare the 2 in terms of what you get after you pay (and even those are crap).
- voice chat? - "you can use your phone!" - like WTF?
--- and this is just the short list ---

I'm sure that nintendo could fix some of these problems given time (including the game lineup), but as it stands these are major flaws. Hopefully Nintendo will be able to ride the "nostalgia" and "Zelda fanboy" train for a few years. I doubt that they can do worse than the WiiU.

 

[Kibaruk]

neah, I'm just trying to understand why people are defending the serious shortcomings of the shield and the bad decisions made by nintendo.

When you can play Mario and Zelda and Nintendo games on the shield, go ahead and compare them toe to toe. In the meanwhile, it only sounds like bitching, and again, we get it, you don't like it, you won't buy one and that's perfect.

 

[Puiu]

When you can play Mario and Zelda and Nintendo games on the shield, go ahead and compare them toe to toe. In the meanwhile, it only sounds like bitching, and again, we get it, you don't like it, you won't buy one and that's perfect.

it was a mistake. I edited that part to "switch".
FYI bitching or not I'm still right. you can't defend nintendo on those points. people just wanted nintendo to get it right this time around.

 

[yRaz]

it was a mistake. I edited that part to "switch".
FYI bitching or not I'm still right. you can't defend nintendo on those points.

basically all I'm seeing is that people are made that something the size of a book you read in high school doesn't have the specs of an Xbox or PS4. I think the only *****s here are the ones who are disappointed by the fact that there are physical limits to what engineers can do. You can either have 4k gaming or portable gaming console, not both.

And, honestly, from what I've seen from the 1080p gaming demos, the graphics look damn good even if they are being upscaled from 900p. Everyone is only complaining about resolution and not image quality, I think the switch is doing an amazing job of making full use of its hardware

The same people complaining about the switches performance for $300 are the same people buying $7-800 smartphones.

 

[thelanceleader]

The only reason this doesn't bother me too much is because I plan to use the Switch mainly as a handheld console, and if 720p looked good on my original Nexus 7 when playing games, it'll look even better on a 6" screen. I'll likely only ever connect it to my TV when I want to play split-screen games, which won't be very often.

 

[Puiu]

The only reason this doesn't bother me too much is because I plan to use the Switch mainly as a handheld console, and if 720p looked good on my original Nexus 7 when playing games, it'll look even better on a 6" screen. I'll likely only ever connect it to my TV when I want to play split-screen games, which won't be very often.

that's most likely the way most people will use it.

 

[Kibaruk]

it was a mistake. I edited that part to "switch".
FYI bitching or not I'm still right. you can't defend nintendo on those points. people just wanted nintendo to get it right this time around.

I got your point, and I never mentioned that mistake anywhere.

You are just being a pompous self appointed truth bearer, when you have nothing besides comparing a Nintendo system to an Android tablet only on internals (When you know, a dedicated device versus a "computer"-like OS has nothing alike... is like comparing apples procs versus the one used by Android manufacturers... yet... you are the truth bearer right?), sure, if I wanted to play candy crush or clash royale or something like that, I will remember to bring a shield with me... oh wait, I can do that on my phone... stop with the female doging around.

This is how you sound like: "heeeey why don't they put octa-cores on iphones and expandable drive along a removable battery?! They do it on the Androids, bullshit apple"... yeah, EXACTLY like that.

you can't defend nintendo on those points

Watch me.

 

[Puiu]

I got your point, and I never mentioned that mistake anywhere.

You are just being a pompous self appointed truth bearer, when you have nothing besides comparing a Nintendo system to an Android tablet only on internals (When you know, a dedicated device versus a "computer"-like OS has nothing alike... is like comparing apples procs versus the one used by Android manufacturers... yet... you are the truth bearer right?), sure, if I wanted to play candy crush or clash royale or something like that, I will remember to bring a shield with me... oh wait, I can do that on my phone... stop with the female doging around.

This is how you sound like: "heeeey why don't they put octa-cores on iphones and expandable drive along a removable battery?! They do it on the Androids, bullshit apple"... yeah, EXACTLY like that.

Watch me.

you don't understand the simple reality that is the current mobile gaming market. it's precisely because people use their phones now that the Switch needed to impress. instead nintendo did the opposite. not only is the console expensive, it's also lacking on both the hardware side and the software side. this is truly sad to see nintendo not learn anything from both their past mistakes and from those around them.

 

[yRaz]

you don't understand the simple reality that is the current mobile gaming market. it's precisely because people use their phones now that the Switch needed to impress. instead nintendo did the opposite. not only is the console expensive, it's also lacking on both the hardware side and the software side. this is truly sad to see nintendo not learn anything from both their past mistakes and from those around them.

gaming on cellphones is one of the most sorry things I've ever seen. Mobile games on phones has generally been a failure because touch controls absolutely suck. Aside from things like candy crush and angry birds, the mobile gaming industry has generally been a failure. Please note a single worth while, story driven game on phones. The lack of a standard controller makes serious gaming on a phone impossible.

Show me skyrim on your phone and then lets talk. BTW, skyrim on the switch looks better than it did on the 360 and PS3.

 

[Kibaruk]

you don't understand the simple reality that is the current mobile gaming market. it's precisely because people use their phones now that the Switch needed to impress. instead nintendo did the opposite. not only is the console expensive, it's also lacking on both the hardware side and the software side. this is truly sad to see nintendo not learn anything from both their past mistakes and from those around them.

That's where you are wrong kiddo, it didn't impress YOU. With expected shipments of 2 million units on first month, and Gamestop -only- already with half a mill pre-sold units in the US. It clearly impressed a whole lot.

 

[CaptainTom]

Hm, don't know about that. Remember that the switch also replaces the DS which was pretty popular. At it's current price point though it is a hard sell for a personal system for kids.

Which is what makes this so awful for Nintendo: It's bit just their home console flopping, but also their (usually infallible) portable market.

 

[CaptainTom]

That's where you are wrong kiddo, it didn't impress YOU. With expected shipments of 2 million units on first month, and Gamestop -only- already with half a mill pre-sold units in the US. It clearly impressed a whole lot.

Jesus buddy do some research. The Wii U sold 5 million around launch, how did that do?

 

[Evernessince]

gaming on cellphones is one of the most sorry things I've ever seen. Mobile games on phones has generally been a failure because touch controls absolutely suck. Aside from things like candy crush and angry birds, the mobile gaming industry has generally been a failure. Please note a single worth while, story driven game on phones. The lack of a standard controller makes serious gaming on a phone impossible.

Show me skyrim on your phone and then lets talk. BTW, skyrim on the switch looks better than it did on the 360 and PS3.

That's not saying much given the xbox 360 only had 0.24 Tflops of power, which is about on par with most budget phones nowadays. The fact that Nintedo had to take Nvidia's maxwell tegra chip and underclock it just to get 3 hours of gaming is pretty bad. It's also a big problem that Nvidia is not able to modify the ARM CPU either and it very likely contributes to higher power consumption. I'm sure that programming for such a chip won't be easy, especially seeing as Nvidia isn't really known to most mobile devs. Of course Nintendo will always release it's games but I really don't see 3rd party developers wanting to jump onto the switch.

 

[yRaz]

That's not saying much given the xbox 360 only had 0.24 Tflops of power, which is about on par with most budget phones nowadays. The fact that Nintedo had to take Nvidia's maxwell tegra chip and underclock it just to get 3 hours of gaming is pretty bad. It's also a big problem that Nvidia is not able to modify the ARM CPU either and it very likely contributes to higher power consumption. I'm sure that programming for such a chip won't be easy, especially seeing as Nvidia isn't really known to most mobile devs. Of course Nintendo will always release it's games but I really don't see 3rd party developers wanting to jump onto the switch.

It seems like everyone is arguing about why the specs are bad and how disappointed they are that it is upscaled from 900p, but what I'm not seeing is people complaining about image quality. And what is stopping them from releasing a more powerful "4k" version that runs on pascal?

I think the graphics are really good, especially considering the hardware. Also, underclocking isn't exactly a bad thing. I have a feeling that the switch is going to get how and that the underclocking is more thermal related than battery related. Heck, the underclock could be to not overdischarge the battery. Underclocking because of thermals would also makesense for the further underclock when it is docked.

Eitherway, if you aren't going to make the argument that the Switch's graphics are bad then there is absolutely no point in arguing hardware specs.

 

[Kibaruk]

Jesus buddy do some research. The Wii U sold 5 million around launch, how did that do?

And the super nintendo sold 300.000 units, what's your point? Mine and the reply I made was clear as water, it certainly impressed a whole lot of people.

 

[CaptainTom]

That's not saying much given the xbox 360 only had 0.24 Tflops of power, which is about on par with most budget phones nowadays. The fact that Nintedo had to take Nvidia's maxwell tegra chip and underclock it just to get 3 hours of gaming is pretty bad. It's also a big problem that Nvidia is not able to modify the ARM CPU either and it very likely contributes to higher power consumption. I'm sure that programming for such a chip won't be easy, especially seeing as Nvidia isn't really known to most mobile devs. Of course Nintendo will always release it's games but I really don't see 3rd party developers wanting to jump onto the switch.

Bingo on all counts. Tegra, at least in my opinion; has always proven to be a wholly unimpressive SOC series. Underpowered, inefficient compared to the rest of ARM (And even things like AMD's Jaguar), and unsupported.

 

[CaptainTom]

And the super nintendo sold 300.000 units, what's your point? Mine and the reply I made was clear as water, it certainly impressed a whole lot of people.

Right back at you - what's your point?

You are the guy who brought up the Switch's below average pre-order numbers like it is some indication of success. I'll add a paltry list of games to add to its fail launch.

 

[Kibaruk]

You are the guy who brought up the Switch's below average pre-order numbers like it is some indication of success. I'll add a paltry list of games to add to its fail launch.

Can you read? Because it was -super- clear, it impressed enough people to preorder a whole bunch of consoles. That it didn't impress you or the other dude who clearly won't puchase one, it's your thing.

 

[mbrowne5061]

I do want to throw this out there:

Nintendo isn't trying to attract mobile game developers, they're trying to attract game developers - that should be clear by the launch lineup not including one single 'freemium' game. Game developers are familiar with NVidia architecture and devkits. The TX1 in particular is one of nVidia's most popular dev kits, and is a very capable processor, even when underclocked. But judging by the heatsink on my TX1 and TK1 devkits, the underclock in this case is probably for thermal issues.

As said before, resolution doesn't matter nearly as much as polygon count (past 720p), and polygon count doesn't matter nearly as much art styles and story telling. Nintendo still managed to step-up what we expect from handheld consoles, and we will still see the Nintendo staples of Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon (or I expect Pokémon at some point). I'm not sure what anyone else is really looking for at this point.

Yes, the Shield has more power - and it sucks. The Shield tablet is being quietly swept out the door by NVidia because it was sales flop; no one wants a dedicated gaming tablet when the only games available are ones like clash of clans and candy crush. The Shield set-top box is also likely to be a failure too, since it is essentially a glorified Roku and Steam Link in one box, but out-does neither. The only reason I even briefly considered getting a Shield set-top box was because the Spotify app on Roku sucks and is pretty decent on Android, but it ultimately wasn't worth it for that one better experience for an app.

Nintendo offers good games, and then follows just behind the graphics curve to help keep the costs down - even if the hardware is "5 years old", do you really think it would have been $300 5 years ago? No, it wouldn't, because nothing 5 years ago combined all these features into one device, without that device being less than $800.

No one buys a console for its horse power, and no one buys a game for its eye candy alone. We buy consoles for their available games, and we buy games for the fun they offer. End of story.