Zen 4 X3D processors may be limited to Ryzen 5 and 7, no Meteor Lake processors in 2023

AlphaX

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Why it matters: With 2022 coming to a close and manufacturers wrapping up new products, tech fans are beginning to look forward towards 2023. Unfortunately, it appears next year could be underwhelming for many hardware enthusiasts based on rumors from reputable leaker ECSM_Official.

This past September, AMD released its first set of processors for the new AM5 platform: the 7600X, 7700X, 7900X, and 7950X. The products received good reviews overall, but some buyers felt the chips left a bit on the table. This resulted in a number of fans deciding to wait for the eventual release of Ryzen 7000 X3D processors.

Notable leaker ECSM_Official recently reported on information regarding upcoming releases for AMD, including these X3D processors. Sadly, the dream of having a 7950X3D will likely not come to fruition, as AMD reportedly only plans to offer a Ryzen 5 7600X3D and Ryzen 7 7700X3D.

These two new processors are expected to launch sometime around March or April 2023. The chips will be accompanied by a third AM5 motherboard chipset, the entry-level A620. The motherboard will not feature overclocking, PCIe lanes will be limited to Gen 4, and RAM speeds are capped at DDR5-4800.

Intel, meanwhile, is currently planning on refreshing its 13th-gen Raptor Lake processors in Q3 2023, retaining the same LGA 1700 socket. The "Raptor Lake Refresh," as it will likely be known, will feature similar SKUs of processors with very small 100-200 MHz clock speed increases.

Due to this, Meteor Lake and its LGA 1851 socket upgrade will be pushed back to 2024. ECSM also reports that not only will Meteor Lake launch in 2024, we may see Intel's 15th-gen Arrow Lake processors reach consumers at some point during the year as well. Intel expects to have Meteor Lake dominate its "mobile processor" line for laptops, while Arrow Lake will be more tailored towards desktops.

Meteor Lake processors will be capped at six performance cores and 16 efficiency cores, but there is no 14th-gen Core i9. On the other hand, Arrow Lake boosts performance core counts up to eight performance cores while retaining the same 16 efficiency cores. Arrow Lake does feature a Core i9 SKU.

Overall, 2023 is looking somewhat lackluster compared to initial expectations. Some experts believe this could be due to a decrease in demand in the PC industry over the last couple of years. We can remain hopeful that both AMD and Intel are able to pack loads of value into their respective X3D and Raptor Lake Refresh processors next year.

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bluetooth fairy

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"only plans to offer a Ryzen 5 7600X3D and Ryzen 7 7700X3D"
Sounds reasonable, for gaming.

"not feature overclocking, PCIe lanes will be limited to Gen 4, and RAM speeds are capped at DDR5-4800"
Considering there's basically no OC, the feature set is pretty beefy. The problem is that cheap boards won't handle high wattage' CPUs (read Ryzen 9).

"with very small 100-200 MHz clock speed increases"
Expect +100W for these MHz?

"Meteor Lake and its LGA 1851 socket upgrade will be pushed back to 2024"
The only sad thing, really. Pat vowed that with Meteor Lake Intel would return to the lead (read better competition). Hope it won't take forever or be like it was with 10th and 11th gen.

 

Uncle Al

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Whewwww ..... I didn't think there would ever be another slow year for CPU's in my lifetime ......
 

thewelshbrummie

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"with very small 100-200 MHz clock speed increases"
Expect +100W for these MHz?

Obvious sarcasm aside, there are multiple leaks suggesting e-core across the entire i5 lineup of Raptor Lake vs only the -K SKUs of Alder Lake. A TDP increase wouldn't be a surprise but clearly not +100W.

"Meteor Lake and its LGA 1851 socket upgrade will be pushed back to 2024"
The only sad thing, really. Pat vowed that with Meteor Lake Intel would return to the lead (read better competition). Hope it won't take forever or be like it was with 10th and 11th gen.

Not the first rumour about a delay but Intel are on record stating that it remains on target for launch this time next year. That and Intel refresh their CPUs every 12-18 months regardless, so they'll have something to launch as 14th gen by early 2024.
 

kiwigraeme

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As Bluetooth Fairy said - AMD targeting gaming - plus these will be just great aground chips -imagine AMD will want gaming and productivity crown for this price range and power/watt.
I'm not opposed to a slow year- must be a lot of details that get rushed , or ideas not implemented as not enough time.
Then there is the less glamorous stuff - security, drivers, development software/systems ,ease to produce etc .
The Intel process of Tik and Tok did make sense - but they got complacent knowing they had illegal marketing to back up as well - and AMD were struggling before Zen with niche lines
 

Manoa

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I know whay thare will be no more advancement in performance: the silicon runned dry: all the latest thing video cards and processor that can be on 5nm already out, thare can't be any more performance if thare is no more silicon: 3nm technology is not out yet :( but I have a feeling even if it was out I don't think it would be a revolution: they can call it "3" but in real it's probably around 18-17 nm transistor pitch which is not that mutch in term of performance :(
 

Burty117

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Cool, I can wait until March / April. If the 7700X3D is just a beefed up, higher clocked 5800X3D with the Zen4 efficiency gains, it'll slay in games.
 

Mr Majestyk

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With the heat from Ryzen 7000 series, it will be a huge challenge to cool it for the 7000X3D chip due to the design of 3D cache.

No, this is 2nd gen v-cache, voltages are much lower than in 5800x3d which was using beta silicon. Clocks speeds for zen 4 v-cache models will be virtually same as regular models.