Activists are simulating ICE raids in GTA and Fortnite to teach immigrant rights
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That's sloganeering, of course you can be illegal.
If I dump myself in your house and start using it as if it were mine, what would you do? Paperwork, to document my presence? If so, please post here your address - there are people desperately in need of your generosity.
Thats not whats happening though. You are comparing apples and oranges. Look, dont get mad at me because you dont understand immigration terms. Illegal isnt a term, its something you call people to dehumanize them and talk bad about them like they are not human.
Calling them "illegal" implies they have broken criminal law which they have not.
Your whole argument is a straw man and its a desperate failed attempt at saying I am wrong but I am not.
We are not talking about breaking and entering someone's home (criminal, not civil). Try to stay on topic.
There is nothing illegal about being alive. You can perform illegal actions, you cant be illegal. Duh. They are undocumented, not illegal. Illegal alien, illegal immigrant isnt a legal term. My god man. Look beyond what your reactionary news coverage is feeding you and try to actually learn about the system you are talking about.
What judge handles immigration cases? Civil or Criminal?
Here is a good start for you:
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Rogue judges are half the problem. I don't know where you got the idea that the phrase illegal alien is not used or has not been codified in some parts of law but if you paid to learn that, request a refund asap. It would seem that it's always the criminals or their supporters that would like to water down the language to make less of their crimes.
Legal Use of the Term "Illegal Alien"
Definition in Federal Law:
The term "illegal alien" is referenced in U.S. federal law, particularly in the context of immigration statutes. The term "alien" is defined as "any person not a citizen or national of the United States." While "illegal" is not explicitly defined in the same context, it appears in discussions about unauthorized entry and residency.
Examples of Legal References:
(8 U.S. Code § 1324a)
This section addresses unlawful employment of aliens, making it illegal to hire unauthorized aliens.
(Immigration and Nationality Act)
The act includes provisions that refer to "illegal entrants" and outlines the powers of the U.S. attorney general regarding illegal entry.
(Supreme Court References)
The term "illegal alien" has been used in Supreme Court cases, such as Arizona v. United States, which addressed state enforcement of immigration laws.
Usage in Legal Contexts
While the term "illegal alien" is legally recognized, its use is often debated. Some legal professionals and organizations prefer terms like "unauthorized immigrant" or "undocumented" to avoid negative connotations. However, "illegal alien" remains a term used in specific legal contexts and statutes.
You're welcome for the freebie.
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"In public policy debates about criminalizing undocumented immigrants, anti-immigrant lawmakers and groups often throw around terms like “criminal alien” and other misleadi"ng rhetoric and statistics suggesting that all undocumented immigrants are criminals or a dangerous threat to the community. Such language can distort debates about the appropriate use of local criminal laws and of federal prosecutorial resources. Local and state officials also often misunderstand the nature of the criminal provisions in federal immigration law and the authority of states and local governments to criminalize undocumented status. Inthis issue brief, we discuss questions that arise when a state seeks to enact new criminal laws or proposes using existing state criminal laws to punish individuals for being undocumented."
"No. Despite the anti-immigrant rhetoric, “criminal alien” is not a legal term and undocumented immigrants are not “criminal aliens” under federal law. The term “criminal alien” is not defined anywhere in the federal Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). To the extent it appears at all in the INA, it is used in the subject heading of several provisions that describe documented and undocumented immigrants who have been convicted of criminal offenses (after a trial or guilty plea) that are designated as “aggravated felonies” or as “crimes involving moral turpitude.” See 8 U.S.C. §§ 1226, 1228, 1252. A conviction of such a crime may subject an immigrant to removal from the United States, even if she is a lawful permanent resident. In contrast, immigrants who are undocumented but have not been convicted of any crime are not referred to as “criminal aliens” under the immigration laws."
To further this I will present politifact reinforcing my point.
www.politifact.com
"An exchange between a legislator and the leader of Texas’ state law enforcement agency made us wonder whether federal law uses "illegal alien" to describe any individual living in the U.S. without legal authorization.
It doesn’t, we learned, though the term makes a few appearances."
"Our ruling
McCraw told legislators the term "illegal alien" is "a legal term, it’s in statute, it’s a federal term."
The term appears--yet scarcely--in federal law. Best we can tell, though, no law defines the term as referring to all individuals living in the U.S. without legal authorization. Where the term does appear, it’s undefined or part of an introductory title or limited to apply to certain individuals convicted of felonies."
Its a super narrow definition used once and it doesnt mean what folks here are using it as.
And again, being undocumented immigrant is a civil offense, not criminal. Again, what judge handles immigration cases? Civil or Criminal? The president is more of a criminal than undocumented immigrants who are simply undocumented.
You are most welcome to this free lesson. Perhaps rely on AI less often to come to conclusions and use actual fact.
Since you failed to read the already presented evidence, Ill do some quotes of my own without AI.
"In public policy debates about criminalizing undocumented immigrants, anti-immigrant lawmakers and groups often throw around terms like “criminal alien” and other misleadi"ng rhetoric and statistics suggesting that all undocumented immigrants are criminals or a dangerous threat to the community. Such language can distort debates about the appropriate use of local criminal laws and of federal prosecutorial resources. Local and state officials also often misunderstand the nature of the criminal provisions in federal immigration law and the authority of states and local governments to criminalize undocumented status. Inthis issue brief, we discuss questions that arise when a state seeks to enact new criminal laws or proposes using existing state criminal laws to punish individuals for being undocumented."
"No. Despite the anti-immigrant rhetoric, “criminal alien” is not a legal term and undocumented immigrants are not “criminal aliens” under federal law. The term “criminal alien” is not defined anywhere in the federal Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). To the extent it appears at all in the INA, it is used in the subject heading of several provisions that describe documented and undocumented immigrants who have been convicted of criminal offenses (after a trial or guilty plea) that are designated as “aggravated felonies” or as “crimes involving moral turpitude.” See 8 U.S.C. §§ 1226, 1228, 1252. A conviction of such a crime may subject an immigrant to removal from the United States, even if she is a lawful permanent resident. In contrast, immigrants who are undocumented but have not been convicted of any crime are not referred to as “criminal aliens” under the immigration laws."
To further this I will present politifact reinforcing my point.
Is 'illegal alien' a term in federal law?
An exchange between a legislator and the leader of Texas’ state law enforcement agency made us wonder whether federal la
www.politifact.com
"An exchange between a legislator and the leader of Texas’ state law enforcement agency made us wonder whether federal law uses "illegal alien" to describe any individual living in the U.S. without legal authorization.
It doesn’t, we learned, though the term makes a few appearances."
"Our ruling
McCraw told legislators the term "illegal alien" is "a legal term, it’s in statute, it’s a federal term."
The term appears--yet scarcely--in federal law. Best we can tell, though, no law defines the term as referring to all individuals living in the U.S. without legal authorization. Where the term does appear, it’s undefined or part of an introductory title or limited to apply to certain individuals convicted of felonies."
Its a super narrow definition used once and it doesnt mean what folks here are using it as.
And again, being undocumented immigrant is a civil offense, not criminal. Again, what judge handles immigration cases? Civil or Criminal? The president is more of a criminal than undocumented immigrants who are simply undocumented.
You are most welcome to this free lesson. Perhaps rely on AI less often to come to conclusions and use actual fact.
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OK, maybe I missed that in your reply ... how many illegals do you personally foster in your own home and pay all the expenses for?
If the number is zero, as I suspect, why do you insist everyone should do that? You're not doing it yourself, why should everyone else do it?
Why don't you lead us by example?
Why don't you adopt at least one illegal and fully take care of them, then come back here and report how it went? Expecting to see your report in 6 months.
WTF are talking about...
Look, you want to build a straw man, you can sit here and beat it all day long by yourself.
Ive lived next to immigrants my whole life, your post is just weird and completely off topic and reeks of pure desperation. Your family was a immigrant at some point. We should deport you perhaps...
Deflect, deny and lie will not work here. you cant argue against the facts so you just try to spin this on me in some sort of failed weird way talking about something completely irrelevant.
I think someone needs to touch grass or grow some emotional intelligence here to stay engaged in the conversation meaningfully, despite being given the tools to be successful here.
Where I have ever mentioned you or anyone should invite people they dont know into their home? Where was that insinuated? Please explain to everyone here why you are being... weird and off topic.
You have been proven wrong about something and this is your only option instead of taking it as an opportunity to grow and learn. Do better.
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I don't want to build a straw man, I want you to put your money where your mouth is.
You're advocating that we should all foster the herds of illegals who invaded the country. To see what this really means, just pick one and take care of them.
Why are you talking about immigrants all the time, by the way? Illegal aliens are not immigrants
I think you need to put the drugs down and go reread what I said.
You are embarrassing yourself with this straw man analogy and completely irrelevant unnecessary and completely dishonest attempt at engaging in civil discourse about the topic at hand.
If you can quote anywhere where I said that you or anyone should let anyone in their house, you may have a point, but you dont. You are pointless and desperate to spin this against me because... "ego" I guess at being proven wrong about something.
Illegal aliens are not a thing. Its not my fault you dont understand the legality of terms such as this and their meanings. Thats a YOU problem, not a me letting strangers in my house problem.
But I will take the bait and say I would 100% let a immigrant in my house before some racist wannabe white nationalist screaming about illegals and brown people. We should 100% deport those guys.
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