Amazon's new Texas data center could become the single largest polluter in the US

So we're discussing an Amazon data center and somehow managed to blame an entire state, its voters, and its politicians before discussing a single engineering or environmental detail of the project. Impressive efficiency.

Amazon isn't getting an “out of jail card.” The facility still requires permits and is subject to emissions limits. The 33 million tons being thrown around is the permitted maximum, not a prediction of actual annual emissions.

There are legitimate questions here...Is natural gas the best option? What will actual emissions be? How does Amazon reconcile this with its climate pledge? Those are worth discussing.

“Texas voters are closed minded corporate goons” isn't analysis. It's just politics wearing a hard hat.

“United States of Dystopia” sounds dramatic, but it doesn’t actually say anything about the project.

A private company needs an enormous amount of reliable electricity and is proposing to generate much of it itself instead of dumping that demand onto an already stressed grid. There are absolutely legitimate environmental tradeoffs worth debating.

But apparently “dystopia” is easier than discussing those.

Meanwhile, half the people horrified by the data center will probably use AWS, stream something tonight, ask an AI a question, and have Amazon deliver a package tomorrow.

The dystopia apparently has excellent shipping.

Kirby, you might want to check the numbers before turning an Amazon data center article into another Trump post.

The U.S. did not reduce emissions every year for “10+ years” before Trump. There were increases before 2017, and emissions also rose in 2018 before falling again.

And somehow we’ve gone from “California haters are everywhere” in one thread to “Trump and bot accounts” in this one.

You have a remarkable talent for finding the same political argument hiding inside completely different articles. At this rate, TechSpot could publish a review of a toaster and you’d be in the comments looking for MAGA bots and California critics.

Maybe we could try discussing Amazon, natural gas, grid capacity and the actual article for a change.

By that standard, every large permitted project is just one suspicious handshake away from a prison documentary.

If there’s evidence of corruption, post it. Otherwise this is less “follow the money” and more “invent the money, then follow it.”

pnntmp makes a legitimate point...33 million tons is the permitted maximum, not a prediction of what this plant will emit every year.

I am not completely on board with carbon emissions have “no significance.”

But somehow your answer is completely less useful.

“MAGA caps cutting off blood flow” isn’t a rebuttal, and “7 billion people adding energy to a system” isn’t how the greenhouse effect works either.

CO2 matters because increasing its concentration changes how heat is retained and escapes through the atmosphere. We can debate how serious the consequences are, what policies make sense, whether net zero targets are realistic, and whether this Amazon project is justified.

That would actually be an interesting discussion. You should join it.

Drop the keyboard warrior routine, do a little research, and post something intelligent enough to argue with instead of immediately reaching for MAGA insults.

Instead we got MAGA hats and 7 billion human space heaters.
You said:
"Amazon isn't getting an “out of jail card.” The facility still requires permits and is subject to emissions limits"

And you think Texas out of all of the States won't approve this project regardless?...there's s reason why every company wants to go move to Texas the moment their executives get pushback from their own original States....Musk would tell you everything about it!

Perhaps we should call things for what they truly are....it's time!
 
You said:
"Amazon isn't getting an “out of jail card.” The facility still requires permits and is subject to emissions limits"
What’s your point?
And you think Texas out of all of the States won't approve this project regardless?...there's s reason why every company wants to go move to Texas the moment their executives get pushback from their own original States....Musk would tell you everything about it!
There are datacenters in many states - Musk has nothing to do with this - what’s with the non-sequitors?
Perhaps we should call things for what they truly are....it's time!
Which is? Time for you to respond with facts instead of propaganda?
 
You said:
"Amazon isn't getting an “out of jail card.” The facility still requires permits and is subject to emissions limits"

And you think Texas out of all of the States won't approve this project regardless?...there's s reason why every company wants to go move to Texas the moment their executives get pushback from their own original States....Musk would tell you everything about it!

Perhaps we should call things for what they truly are....it's time!
You’re still skipping over the part where you actually prove something improper happened here.

Yes, companies move to Texas for lower taxes, lower operating costs and a friendlier regulatory environment. That isn’t exactly a secret. California has lost businesses for many of those same reasons. Not the reasons you suggest, but go ahead and link a source...I'll wait.

“Texas is more business-friendly” and “Texas will approve anything regardless of the consequences” are two very different claims.

If Amazon received special treatment, had environmental requirements waived, or politicians ignored applicable law to push this through, then show it. That would absolutely be worth criticizing.

Pointing at Elon Musk and saying “see, Texas” doesn’t establish any of that.

We can call things what they truly are, but first we actually have to establish what they are.

Again, I'll wait!
 
This is the kind of engagement I came to the comments section for.
Wow! I'm glad the comments on this article are proving entertaining to you.

You do seem to understand the consequences of adding more, and more, and more, CO2 to the atmosphere; In my opinion, the better question to ask is how this type of thing is still allowed to happen when humanity knows all it does about the heat trapping properties of CO2?
I don't understand what CO2 has to do with pollution, given that it's not a pollutant.
Take a climate science course, or better yet ask AI to explain it to you. Perhaps AI will come up with an answer that you will understand.
So maybe look up what Datacenters are for... and then look up technology as a whole... like it or not, if you want the US to remain the most powerful nation on Earth, you will need to have LOTS more datacenters.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana
Empires come and empires go. The US will not retain its Head Chimpanzee status forever, like it or not.
 
So here, IMO, is an interesting article on the subject
And here is an equally, IMO, interesting quote from the article
Even without the new Pecos County plant, Amazon’s emissions are staggering. The company recently disclosed a record increase in its total emissions last year, with company-wide electricity usage rising by 34 percent across 2025.

That the company is blatantly papering over its previous climate commitments isn’t a shocker at this point, in other words, as the company reaches new emission highs with each passing year.
 
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana
Empires come and empires go. The US will not retain its Head Chimpanzee status forever, like it or not.
Of course not... but they ought to at least TRY and maintain it as long as possible!!
 
Let’s actually do the math. Bear with me I am doing this on MS Calculator.

A 7.65 GW facility operating at full nameplate output for an entire year would generate 7.65 GW × 8,760 hours = 67.0 TWh/year.

Now the important variable is not “spare capacity.” It is capacity factor, heat rate, turbine configuration and actual dispatch.

Using EIA’s observed natural gas generation emissions intensity of roughly 0.8 to 0.9 lb CO2/kWh as a reasonable reference range, 67 TWh of continuous generation would put annual CO2 emissions somewhere in the neighborhood of 24 to 27 million metric tons before adjusting for the actual equipment and operating profile.

That alone demonstrates why saying “3 million tons per GW” and then simply multiplying by 0.75 because the plant supposedly has “25% spare capacity” is not sufficient.

Reserve capacity is not equal to capacity factor.

A plant can have excess installed capacity and still operate selected turbines at high utilization. Conversely, maintenance, load variation, renewable supplementation and demand fluctuations could substantially lower annual output. Without the actual turbine heat rates, combined cycle/simple cycle configuration, dispatch schedule and annual fuel consumption, nobody here can calculate the final emissions number from their keyboard.

So...33 million tons is a permitted ceiling, not guaranteed annual emissions.

17 million tons is also not established simply because somebody multiplied nameplate capacity by 0.75.

Both numbers require assumptions.

As for CO2 being “meaningless” because it supposedly isn’t pollution, that mixes two different environmental issues.

CO2 is primarily a greenhouse gas concern rather than a conventional local toxic pollutant like NOx, SO2, CO, VOCs or particulate matter. But fossil fuel turbines produce those pollutants as well, and EPA specifically regulates stationary combustion turbines for emissions including NOx and SO2. CO2 remains physically relevant because increasing atmospheric CO2 alters Earth’s radiative energy balance.

So the scientifically defensible position is actually pretty boring...We know the maximum permitted emissions.

We know the plant’s maximum generating capacity.

We do not yet know its eventual annual capacity factor or exact emissions intensity.

Therefore we cannot honestly claim it WILL emit 33 million tons, and we also cannot honestly claim it will be “extremely unlikely” to exceed some arbitrary percentage of that ceiling without more operating data.

Congratulations. We have successfully discovered uncertainty.

I realize this is considerably less exciting than “Amazon is killing Texans” or “CO2 is meaningless,” but unfortunately physics has terrible engagement metrics.

Sources:
EIA - CO₂ produced per kWh of electricity generation
EPA - Stationary gas and combustion turbines
Even if we assume zero spare capacity and all turbines working all the time (which will indeed never happen), they will still stay at least 25% below the limit. And we all know that if something allegedly harmful has a limit imposed, that limit is very, very far from the levels it actually becomes harmful. So I really see no reason to discuss CO2 at all. It's nothing but ragebait for those who think it may lead to unpleasant weather in the future.

NOx, SO2, particle pollution ... that's real pollution.
But is it a real problem?
I don't think so. Progress comes at a price, everything is a tradeoff. From all the possible energy sources for this project, gas is the optimal - it's cheap, abundant, cleanest of all fossils, ensures very flexible energy supply and fast build-out of generation capacity. So it's a good tradeoff and the natural choice.
I'm sure they planned to add solar too, it'd be dumb not to, but gas is best for a fast start.
 
At some point it becomes fair to ask whether AWS and Amazon’s retail and logistics empire even belong under the same corporate roof anymore. They have wildly different margins, infrastructure requirements and increasingly different problems to solve.
According to this page from BullFincher, Amazon's outsized balance sheet revolves around "Online Stores" at 37.56%, which is apparently separate from "Third-Party Seller Services" as a line item at 24.01%, so that must mean that their own "Amazon" name brand products constitute the lions share of their revenue generation. In other words, just their online store generates nearly 2/3 of ALL of their revenue. Meanwhile, AWS is 17.95% or basically just under 20% if you round up. It doesn't even constitute 1/5 of their revenue. If they stopped all of the AWS services tomorrow, their revenue generation would barely move. But, since AWS is less of a company in its own right and more of cloud-based infrastructure, they can't just shutter it. They probably have a lot of MOUs in place and other corporate obligations, but also they'd probably tank the market if they did that.

All of this to say, "yes, Amazon is large. Very large. Probably, too large. Every segment of the company is big enough to be a separate entity." Given how much market influence Amazon possesses, it really should be considered a monopoly and broken up already. How one corporation is juggling all of this is and not running at a massive loss, is beyond me. But that's why their CEO makes billions of dollars in stock options every quarter and I don't.
 
Wow! I'm glad the comments on this article are proving entertaining to you.

You do seem to understand the consequences of adding more, and more, and more, CO2 to the atmosphere; In my opinion, the better question to ask is how this type of thing is still allowed to happen when humanity knows all it does about the heat trapping properties of CO2?

Take a climate science course, or better yet ask AI to explain it to you. Perhaps AI will come up with an answer that you will understand.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana
Empires come and empires go. The US will not retain its Head Chimpanzee status forever, like it or not.
Because knowing that CO2 has a warming effect does not eliminate the need for reliable electricity, nor does it magically produce a zero emission replacement at the required scale, location, cost and timetable.

That is the part these discussions keep skipping.

The real question is not “does CO2 trap heat?” Yes, it does.

The real questions are...

How much reliable generation is required?
What alternatives are actually available at this site?
Can transmission support them?
How quickly can they be built?
What are the lifecycle costs?
What are the local pollution impacts?
And what happens if the generation simply is not built?

Natural gas has environmental costs. So do grid constraints, shortages, expensive power, delayed infrastructure and pretending intermittent generation can always substitute one for one for dispatchable capacity.

If nuclear, storage, renewables or some combination can provide the same dependable output with lower emissions at a realistic cost and schedule, great...make that case.

But “CO2 traps heat, therefore this should not be allowed” skips the entire engineering, economic and reliability problem in between.

Knowing one consequence of an action is not the same thing as proving every alternative is better.

According to this page from BullFincher, Amazon's outsized balance sheet revolves around "Online Stores" at 37.56%, which is apparently separate from "Third-Party Seller Services" as a line item at 24.01%, so that must mean that their own "Amazon" name brand products constitute the lions share of their revenue generation. In other words, just their online store generates nearly 2/3 of ALL of their revenue. Meanwhile, AWS is 17.95% or basically just under 20% if you round up. It doesn't even constitute 1/5 of their revenue. If they stopped all of the AWS services tomorrow, their revenue generation would barely move. But, since AWS is less of a company in its own right and more of cloud-based infrastructure, they can't just shutter it. They probably have a lot of MOUs in place and other corporate obligations, but also they'd probably tank the market if they did that.

All of this to say, "yes, Amazon is large. Very large. Probably, too large. Every segment of the company is big enough to be a separate entity." Given how much market influence Amazon possesses, it really should be considered a monopoly and broken up already. How one corporation is juggling all of this is and not running at a massive loss, is beyond me. But that's why their CEO makes billions of dollars in stock options every quarter and I don't.
There’s a good argument in here for examining whether Amazon has become too sprawling, but I do believe you’re mixing up several accounting categories.

“Online Stores” does not mean Amazon branded products. It largely represents merchandise Amazon sells directly, whether the box contains an Apple iPad, Samsung TV, Milwaukee drill or Amazon Basics cable.

“Third Party Seller Services” is different again...those are commissions, fulfillment fees and other services Amazon charges independent sellers. So adding those categories together doesn’t tell us that Amazon’s own branded products generate two thirds of its revenue.

The bigger issue, though, is revenue versus profit.

AWS generated $42.2 billion in revenue last quarter, but produced $16.6 billion in operating income. That’s an extraordinary margin compared with retail. Amazon could theoretically lose AWS and still have enormous revenue, but saying its business would “barely move” misses the fact that you just removed one of its most profitable engines.

Where I agree with you is the larger question...AWS, retail and logistics, advertising, third party marketplace services and entertainment have become businesses of such radically different character that asking whether they all still belong inside one corporation is perfectly reasonable.

Just don’t use revenue share alone to answer it. A dollar of AWS revenue and a dollar of retail revenue are very different animals.
 
So here, IMO, is an interesting article on the subject
And here is an equally, IMO, interesting quote from the article
This is a really good point. 👍

If Amazon is still publicly committed to net zero by 2040 while its overall electricity demand and emissions are climbing, then people are absolutely justified in asking how projects like this fit into that promise.

Where I think the discussion gets more complicated is what comes next. @pnntmp makes a good point here.

Rising emissions prove there is a problem to solve. They do not, by themselves, tell us which power source should replace this project, whether that alternative can provide the same 24/7 output, what transmission would be required, how quickly it could be built, or what the cost and reliability tradeoffs would be.

So yes, Amazon deserves pressure here.

But the useful question is not simply “why are emissions going up?”

It is “what technically realistic alternative should Amazon be using for 7.65 GW of dependable power, and what would that alternative actually require?”
 
Why doesn't the self-sufficiency requirement come with a renewable source rider? minimum 50% solar, water regeneration/closed loop cooling requirements. Create a terrarium and build your AI GF in it for all I care. If it's impacting the ecosystem directly then it's 0 benefit to anyone. Why not include a battery storage requirement, or some other form of day time storage - utilized at night. Push the innovation in sustainability while you're at it. Any million of tons is an insane number forget 33.
 
"Stargate's gas turbines are permitted to emit over 1.6 million tons of greenhouse gases and 1,000 tons of air pollutants annually, approved without public input."

Surely it was approved by the government, which is chosen by the public for exactly that purpose. Are we going to describe every government decision for which there was no direct referendum as "taken without public input" now? As if that is somehow bad, strange or unexpected? (I'm not against referenda of course but not for every decision).
 
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