AMD Ryzen 5 1600 vs Intel Core i7-7800X: 30 Game Battle!

I wouldn't say you are bias, but I get a hint that you personally are using an intel. Not saying that anything is wrong with that. I am myself using an Intel and I used an AMD before that. Usually I switch depending on the price/performance.

Personally about the review I can only say It was extensive. Yes, OC Intel takes the throne on paper. But if you look at the price that is 50 % less for the Ryzen 1600 over 7800X, for an almost same performance while consuming less energy and with a clock almost 1 GHZ in difference per core. I must say Ryzen 1600 is the winner in this case price/perf..

Also I know this was an extensive research of tests done, and you are amazing for doing it. Next time I would ask if possible to give us temps as well. Would mean alot if you use OC in the article.
 
Man, I cant seem to match this performance with my 1600, Im running 3200mhz ram too that is being detected and performing as it should...

Rebranded Celeron? :rolls eyes.

seriously, not sure if steve has a retail or a review chip, in anycase ,there will be good ones and not so good ones,
I would like to see the Rysen running with that nice custom loop..maybe what you need ,but then there goes the money you saved+..
 
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Rebranded Celeron? :rolls eyes.

seriously, not sure if steve has a retail or a review chip, in anycase, even as retail ,there will be good ones and not so good ones,

I guess The only game I have in this review is GTA V and thats one of the poor performers. I can only seem to hit 3.7ghz with my stock cooler with reasonable temps. Im also using intel burn to test temps and stability. Maybe I crank voltage up a bit and bump to 4.0ghz and just game while monitoring temps. You know, a real world overclock, not synthetic ;).
 
With tech genius Lisa Su at the helm, I think AMD is paying attention to technical issues that affect all their potential markets. Praise and thanks to Lisa Su for bringing competition back to the CPU market.

Personally, I do not think that with the renewed competition from AMD, Intel will be able to continue milking its CPU customers for long no matter how many times they cry GLUE! :) If I were in the market for a system like this at this time, the 1600 would be my choice.
 
I guess The only game I have in this review is GTA V and thats one of the poor performers. I can only seem to hit 3.7ghz with my stock cooler with reasonable temps. Im also using intel burn to test temps and stability. Maybe I crank voltage up a bit and bump to 4.0ghz and just game while monitoring temps. You know, a real world overclock, not synthetic ;).
Are you also using the latest Bios? (some motherboards have the 1.0.0.6 AGESA BIOS as a beta update)
What is the voltage you are using and what is the ambient temperature (where I live things tend to get fairly hot during the summer)? What are the temps of the VRMs? There can be a lot of factors that could limit your OC.
 
Are you also using the latest Bios? (some motherboards have the 1.0.0.6 AGESA BIOS as a beta update)
What is the voltage you are using and what is the ambient temperature (where I live things tend to get fairly hot during the summer)? What are the temps of the VRMs? There can be a lot of factors that could limit your OC.

Im using the latest bios for my gigabyte gaming 3 b350 board. Without it my 3200mhz memory would not run at that speed. I should do more research on the agesa update too
 
Now if only Vega came as close to nVidia equivalent for almost half the price, like Ryzen has to Intel, I would finally get full AMD build.

I would wait up to 3584 SP Vega for lower power draw and better performance per watt like R9 290 vs R9 290X
 
Great article etc, but the most mind boggling to me was why you chose i7 vs R5? they are kinda different tier CPU's. Why not i5 vs R5 or i7 vs R7?

Others have hit the nail on the head, wanted a 6-core vs. 6-core comparison, 8-cores are overkill for gaming right now. I don't recommend the 1700 over the 1600 for gaming.

Maybe, but still. It's like comparing Nissan Leaf vs Tesla Model S ... just because they both have 4 wheels. and 6 wheels would be overkill :D

Good thing you didn't compare them to some 6 core mobile phone. ... because 6 cores. ;)

But yes, you are right. R5 1600 is a very good choice for gamers and budget builders.

that will be my choice, R5-1600 my FX-8320E upgrade lol
 
I'd like to point out a couple things that in my mind really boost the Ryzen chip in this battle.

1) AMD system used half the memory. Same speed but half the amount. Now I am sure none of the systems needed more than 16Gb (hell 8 would do). It is just worth noting.

2) Clock speeds of both Intel chips were way higher than the R5. Almost 1Ghz more for the 7700k. I would be very curious to see the results with the SAME clock speeds. Since the R5 wasn't pushed past 4Ghz yet performed as it did, is it safe to say, if you can clock it higher, the gap between chips gets smaller? At least clock them with the same amount of overclock (IE: 400Mhz increase for the R5, so both Intel chips are increased 400Mhz).

Since you were doing Hex core vs Hex core, the results are pretty damn close. I applaud AMD for the Ryzen and look forward to Threadripper! Will we see a similar test done when those chips drop? I hope so. Thank you for your effort!
 
I have had a 1600 for a month or so, and so far it hasn't been an awesome experience. Due to the non-stop BIOS bugs... I can't switch my cpu voltage off of auto, so I can't OC past 3.8 right now, memory timing issues, etc... Maybe in six months I'll be glad I went with AMD but right now I wish I would have just bought an i5. Spent more time troubleshooting than playing games.
 
Great article etc, but the most mind boggling to me was why you chose i7 vs R5? they are kinda different tier CPU's. Why not i5 vs R5 or i7 vs R7?
That was the whole point of this article. Lower tier AMD CPU being as good as Intels high end CPU.

I completely agree we you but the addiction of the r7 1700x would be more than fair since it's within the price range. The difference for the r5 1600 should be minimal though since most games do not fully utilize multiple threads.
 
You certainly sounded like you want Ryzen to win based on your comments. So... biased towards AMD perhaps, a little bit maybe? Hmm?
Good stuff though. Great article. Well, kind of. You should have included higher resolutions.
 
So they use intel 7800X (X) but they only compete against amd 1600 not the 1600X (X) come on guys really it may not be a big upgrade but its still a little faster.
 
I'd say the difference between those two cars is still very noticeable without breaking the law, like night and day noticeable ;)
As is the price. Now if there was a 60FPS limit on most games like there exists speed limits in the USA then both would be very comparable.
 
AMD has risen from the ashes of their own futility and brought competition back to the CPU market. I know Threadripper is coming, but what's really next for most consumers and gamers? AMD needs to a good follow-up to this generation of Ryzen. Keep it going AMD!
 
So they use intel 7800X (X) but they only compete against amd 1600 not the 1600X (X) come on guys really it may not be a big upgrade but its still a little faster.
the 1600x is the same thing compared to the 1600. it doesn't get the stock cooler, but it has higher stock clocks. both OC to 4.0GHz
 
Awesome job Steve. truly showing that Rysen puppy can run with the dogs,not very fair though the Rysen having to run with a stock cooler and a 360.00 dollar custom loop to get the i7 to go flatout.did you try the custom loop on the risen just too see how much further it could go? ,maybe little Rysen can kick some azz,with some decent cooling,just sayin,though I haven't heard of it breaking any records.

Its Still Intel/Nvidia FTW. my 3930 k @ 4.2 gig and gtx 1080 Extreme Gaming, is right there with with your framerates ,World of Tanks I push 120 frms consistently,Maxed, 3 years old now and still no need for an upgrade ,maybe the second 1080 when it prices right, hope they pay you well,take some kit home? the EYES must be bugging out after that much gaming.lol

Ryzen is limited to 4.0 – 4.1 GHz on air and water, it’s a limitation of the manufacturing process used. I think it was made pretty clear in the article that Ryzen is worlds better value so I don’t see the issue.

Man, I cant seem to match this performance with my 1600, Im running 3200mhz ram too that is being detected and performing as it should...

Compare your performance with a game like Far Cry Primal as I used the built-in benchmark there. Of course you need to use the ultra-quality settings with a GTX 1080 Ti to get the same numbers.

Things that really help are obviously a clean install on the Ryzen system, if you’ve come from an Intel system previously and just transferred the OS over you will be down 10 – 20% on performance. Make sure Windows 10 is up to date, make sure the AMD system drivers are installed and make sure the AMD power profile is selected in Windows (that one makes a big difference). Ohh and make sure the motherboard BIOS is up to date ;)

I wouldn't say you are bias, but I get a hint that you personally are using an intel. Not saying that anything is wrong with that. I am myself using an Intel and I used an AMD before that. Usually I switch depending on the price/performance.

Personally about the review I can only say It was extensive. Yes, OC Intel takes the throne on paper. But if you look at the price that is 50 % less for the Ryzen 1600 over 7800X, for an almost same performance while consuming less energy and with a clock almost 1 GHZ in difference per core. I must say Ryzen 1600 is the winner in this case price/perf..

Also I know this was an extensive research of tests done, and you are amazing for doing it. Next time I would ask if possible to give us temps as well. Would mean alot if you use OC in the article.

I’m using both AMD and Intel, not biased either way. I hated the FX-series, starting to love Ryzen. This article is certainly pro Ryzen but that’s because of the numbers, performance and price numbers ;)

I guess The only game I have in this review is GTA V and thats one of the poor performers. I can only seem to hit 3.7ghz with my stock cooler with reasonable temps. Im also using intel burn to test temps and stability. Maybe I crank voltage up a bit and bump to 4.0ghz and just game while monitoring temps. You know, a real world overclock, not synthetic ;).

You should be able to run 4 GHz with an aggressive fan curve and 1.375 volts of power. My Ryzen rig is running 27/4 at that voltage and frequency.

I'd like to point out a couple things that in my mind really boost the Ryzen chip in this battle.

1) AMD system used half the memory. Same speed but half the amount. Now I am sure none of the systems needed more than 16Gb (hell 8 would do). It is just worth noting.

2) Clock speeds of both Intel chips were way higher than the R5. Almost 1Ghz more for the 7700k. I would be very curious to see the results with the SAME clock speeds. Since the R5 wasn't pushed past 4Ghz yet performed as it did, is it safe to say, if you can clock it higher, the gap between chips gets smaller? At least clock them with the same amount of overclock (IE: 400Mhz increase for the R5, so both Intel chips are increased 400Mhz).

Since you were doing Hex core vs Hex core, the results are pretty damn close. I applaud AMD for the Ryzen and look forward to Threadripper! Will we see a similar test done when those chips drop? I hope so. Thank you for your effort!

1) There is no difference in these games between 16GB’s and 32GB’s of memory.
2) Not much point testing IPC performance, we know Intel is ahead here. The 7700K also clocks way better, at 4GHz your actually under-clocking the chip so what’s the point?

Yeah we’ll no doubt do something similar with Threadripper! Thanks for the feedback.

I have had a 1600 for a month or so, and so far it hasn't been an awesome experience. Due to the non-stop BIOS bugs... I can't switch my cpu voltage off of auto, so I can't OC past 3.8 right now, memory timing issues, etc... Maybe in six months I'll be glad I went with AMD but right now I wish I would have just bought an i5. Spent more time troubleshooting than playing games.

It's been messy for sure but right now things look solid. What board are you using?

You certainly sounded like you want Ryzen to win based on your comments. So... biased towards AMD perhaps, a little bit maybe? Hmm?
Good stuff though. Great article. Well, kind of. You should have included higher resolutions.

Higher resolutions are pointless. You just increase the GPU bottleneck. I didn’t want Ryzen to win but I won’t lie, I was happy the much cheaper CPU offers such exceptional value for PC gamers.
 
I have had a 1600 for a month or so, and so far it hasn't been an awesome experience. Due to the non-stop BIOS bugs... I can't switch my cpu voltage off of auto, so I can't OC past 3.8 right now, memory timing issues, etc... Maybe in six months I'll be glad I went with AMD but right now I wish I would have just bought an i5. Spent more time troubleshooting than playing games.
Some board manufacturers are slightly lagging behind with the bios updates but they are coming for sure. The bios issues were reported since day 1, it's the price you pay for buying a completely new platform. (kinda like when you buy a console day 1 and intel is the same). Do you have 1.0.0.6 AGESA BIOS?
As for getting the CPU to OC to 4.0GHz, it should be possible.
 
Compare your performance with a game like Far Cry Primal as I
Things that really help are obviously a clean install on the Ryzen system, if you’ve come from an Intel system previously and just transferred the OS over you will be down 10 – 20% on performance. Make sure Windows 10 is up to date, make sure the AMD system drivers are installed and make sure the AMD power profile is selected in Windows (that one makes a big difference). Ohh and make sure the motherboard BIOS is up to date ;)

You should be able to run 4 GHz with an aggressive fan curve and 1.375 volts of power. My Ryzen rig is running 27/4 at that voltage and frequency.

Thanks for the tips, I did just hook up my previous intel windows install. I will do a restore and bench again!

Is it weird I enjoy overclocking and tweaking more than actually playing games??
 
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