AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Review: 8-Core Battle vs. 10700K

madboyv1

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I am not sure if anyone mentioned it (I didn't see it) but slight word error:

"detective silicon with one or two failed cores can be used."

But yeah, I had a feeling that the 5800x was going to be a fairly hard sell compared to the 5600x and 5900x just from it's specifications and price. Not saying it is a bad processor, though, just kind of an odd man out.
 

azicat

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I'm keen to find out how various motherboard VRMs handle the 5000 series, in comparison to the 3000 series, given its improved power efficiency. Perhaps there will be some reprieve for those looking at dropping a 5000 series into an earlier B450 board. Looking forward to comparative data when it's available.

Edit: never mind, I somehow missed the 5800X vs 3800X temp chart that Steve published in his video.
 
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mbk34

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It would make an interesting article to talk about the science, economics and thinking behind chip fabrication. I'll happily admit I know nothing about this side of things. How many errors do they get in printing? How do they cope with errors? Explaining the key components ie Cores, CCX, Cache and IO. Is it always better to have a smaller node? How do they bin the chips to produce a complete series of processors? Is it the same between Intel and AMD?
 

neeyik

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It would make an interesting article to talk about the science, economics and thinking behind chip fabrication. I'll happily admit I know nothing about this side of things. How many errors do they get in printing? How do they cope with errors? Explaining the key components ie Cores, CCX, Cache and IO. Is it always better to have a smaller node? How do they bin the chips to produce a complete series of processors? Is it the same between Intel and AMD?
Lots of good questions, but the depth of the answers required is beyond a single article. So check out the following to find what you're looking for:




 

Ren128

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Anyone care to guess when would 5600 and 5700X be released?

I'm pretty sure when 3000 series came out, 600 and 700X parts were available from day one.

I'm hoping they'd do it when the 400 series BIOSes are released.
 

amghwk

Posts: 1,014   +926
I too agree the bad point about this 5800X is the price (for the class it is competing at).

Despite the title, I directly compared this with the 10900K, and found it to be impressively similar (in gaming) to it. I don't think "Intel is Gaming King" bears weight any longer. And in productivity suite, it is still strong, though behind the 10900K.

I was expecting this to be the David vs Goliath kind of competition, that AMD used to give - a cheaper CPU holding it's ground against more expensive Intel, while giving similar performance.

But unfortunately the pricing destroyed it's value.

Anyway, what we have learnt from Zen 3 is that AMD has finally matched and even taken over Intel's gaming performance. And this is in addition to the huge lead over Intel when it comes to number crunching hardcore productivity.

I guess I will go for the 5900X after sometime for my upgrade. Will have to wait until the scalpers-bot-resale-robbery fiasco ends.
 

jpuroila

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Anyone care to guess when would 5600 and 5700X be released?

I'm pretty sure when 3000 series came out, 600 and 700X parts were available from day one.

I'm hoping they'd do it when the 400 series BIOSes are released.
Assuming they have enough supply by then, probably around the time rocket lake launches.
 

smartroad

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Cam you hightlight the CPU you have benchmarked in the charts? On a mobile phone it is impossible to glance at as the text is so small you have to zoom in to make it readable and then hunt for CPU (in this case). Makes for an inefficient way to read.

Actually colour coding the different company products would be very useful and make it easy to see who is where in the chart.
 

Biostud

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I was thinking off upgrading my other PC - using my 3700x and putting a better chip in my 570x M/B
I will still have to buy a 550 m/b etc ,

I'm going to hold off unless I get a sweet deal - I really want to see what next years Zen 4 brings - Shirley a new process and new ideas will bring something that might blow these out of the water.
If you got a m/b ready to go ( 450/470 ) - memory can be got quite cheap - then I think these Zen 3 are a real nice upgrade
Zen4 is 2022 so more than a year :)
 

kiwigraeme

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Zen4 is 2022 so more than a year :)

Thanks - I had to RMA 32 Gb of fast ram back to the good old USofA. It's now on it's way back - so need to find a home for the 16Gb holding ram . I really don't need a super computer - so maybe - I'll just wait for some special on m/b and chip - it's all I need to buy ( have good fractal case, PSU etc ) and later date get a special on a GPU to rotate them about
 

Markoni35

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A user who first uses #IWANTTHATCHIP hashtag in the comments section gets Ryzen 5800X from TechSpot. Right?
 

Bamda

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TechSpot fails to see that CPUs are an investment and over time AMD CPUs have shown to be the better CPUs in performance. So you pay for what you get, pay me higher now or twice later.
 

Bamda

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The chips after all they are just a piece of glass on which they have printed a careful engineered but abstract design.

They print on silicon the transistors with uv light the same way the letters are printed on paper with ink.

If they have establish the technology (the “printers”) which is needed why they can’t just print near infinite number of cpus to supply the demand? There is no any guarantee that the demand it will last for ever...
They don’t need extra rare materials for other electronic components(ex capacitors) like the gpu cards for example neither big amount of energy. Just sand.

Yea, just sand. When are you are going to come out of your better version of sand? LOL
 

Bamda

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CDs technology and CD printing machines had been around 13 years when Windows 95 was released. TSMC's N7+ process has been in production less than a year. If you want to wait another 12 years for the "CD printing" analogy to become valid, I'm sure you'll find an adequate supply of Ryzen 5000s.

Ramping up cutting-edge EUV production takes time. It's not a conspiracy to screw you out of l33t tech. You'll notice that chips minted on 5+ year old litho nodes are abundantly available.

Man, you just bring the knowledge! Thank you for sharing!
 

Bamda

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AMD got greedy too fast.
They wanted Zen 3 on 500 series boards only, and they skipped the 5700X.

I'm buying the 5600X, but I just might hold out for a sale or a price drop.

It's called doing business, to get those nice new shiny CPUs AMD had to spend a LOT of money to create them. R&D money has to come from somewhere. Guess where it comes from, CPU sales. And if we want AMD to stay competitive with Intel then they need to make money, and I for one have no problems spending a small amount more for that privilege.
 

Bamda

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If Rocket Lake will have an edge, and Intel plays it aggressively with pricing, AMD will stagger again, at least for gaming. I know it`s a lot of "ifs", but maybe that`s why they try to fill their pockets while they can.

Anyone would be a fool to purchase a Rocket Lake CPU (14nm) when Alder Lake CPU (10nm) is coming out later in 2021. LOL
 

Bamda

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I'm wondering, why everyone compares 5800X with 3700X, instead of 3800X? For me, 5800X replaces 3800X, not 3700X...

Selective memory! Truth be told all these CPUs are an upgrade to the XT CPUs but everyone can choose to compare these CPUs to whichever CPU they want.
 

Bamda

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Anyone care to guess when would 5600 and 5700X be released?

I'm pretty sure when 3000 series came out, 600 and 700X parts were available from day one.

I'm hoping they'd do it when the 400 series BIOSes are released.

My guess is they will wait until stock levels normalize. If that happens before CES then we may hear of something announced by then.
 

hahahanoobs

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It's called doing business, to get those nice new shiny CPUs AMD had to spend a LOT of money to create them. R&D money has to come from somewhere. Guess where it comes from, CPU sales. And if we want AMD to stay competitive with Intel then they need to make money, and I for one have no problems spending a small amount more for that privilege.
I'm well aware. My comment emphasized how quickly AMD tried to raise prices, not that they were raising prices at all.

If you wanna go further, raising prices too quickly with only 22% market share is not a good idea with Zen 2 still being a smart buy, no IGP on desktop Ryzen for OEM's, the massive price gap between the 5600X and 5800X (5800X not good for gamers price wise and no room for a 5700X), nor the low stock. What's now laughable is the jab AMD took at NVIDIA for having low stock, when ASUS and AMD themselves publicly said to expect low 6800 series stock at launch. AMD also haven't beaten Intel in games. They can only trade blows with 10900K with RKL coming boasting double digit IPC gains.

The next gen of Zen will truly show AMD's hand and future.
 

Bamda

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I'm well aware. My comment emphasized how quickly AMD tried to raise prices, not that they were raising prices at all.

If you wanna go further, raising prices too quickly with only 22% market share is not a good idea with Zen 2 still being a smart buy, no IGP on desktop Ryzen for OEM's, the massive price gap between the 5600X and 5800X (5800X not good for gamers price wise and no room for a 5700X), nor the low stock. What's now laughable is the jab AMD took at NVIDIA for having low stock, when ASUS and AMD themselves publicly said to expect low 6800 series stock at launch. AMD also haven't beaten Intel in games. They can only trade blows with 10900K with RKL coming boasting double digit IPC gains.

The next gen of Zen will truly show AMD's hand and future.

Well some of us actually like to do some work on our computers so I love my new 5900X. Intel fanboys can continue just play games at lower fps. :)
 
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Bamda

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Sure, but I was talking about AMD as a business.

I have no issues with AMD wanting to make more money. My reasoning behind that is AMD needs profits to compete with Intel. Those new shiny CPU designs just don't grow on trees.