And some people wonder why AM5 isn't flying off the shelves. btw my Crucial 2x16 DDR4 3600 CL16 cost me less than $120 off of Amazon last year. Was a great addition to my Alder Lake build.
Yes, gamers should wait for the X3D models. Perhaps by then, mobo and DDR5 prices would have moderated.Now everyone knows what 3dcache can do and zen4 getting it next, why would you bother with non 3d? If it was a milking strategy it's failed. Should leave non 3d stuff to budget or threadripper
The vast majority of buyers won't even consider either in their shopping list. I get that these forums are mostly for hardcores but if we want to talk about market at large, hardcore community represents a very small slice of pie.
But today.... Intel's LGA1700 is /eol. So there is a cost to get over the EOL.And some people wonder why AM5 isn't flying off the shelves. btw my Crucial 2x16 DDR4 3600 CL16 cost me less than $120 off of Amazon last year. Was a great addition to my Alder Lake build.
Yeah, but that's not out of the realm of the ordinary. I typically budget about $1000 for a platform upgrade but when I don't have to, I don't. The problem here is that nobody needs it because Zen3 is still a beast. Let's be real here, the AM4 platform is one of the best-selling platforms in PC history. To anyone with a Zen, Zen+ or Zen2 CPU, the most natural upgrade path is a Zen3 part because you still get to leverage your current mobo and RAM. Also, even if you only have PCI-Express v3.0, you won't notice a difference unless you have an RX 6500 XT (I still don't know why they gave it the XT suffix), which most people did not buy.When your talking about $1000+ for just the CPU, Motherboard & RAM, is it any wonder sales are slow.
Exactly! AM4 is still a viable platform.This will be the case with all new stuff this time: Intel Arc and 13 gen, AMD 7000 both CPU and GPU and Nvidia 4000 . All will have low sales for new gen no matter what they do. The market it's saturated and feed up with last two years. Also last gen it's not garbage compared to new one, people will hold them longer.
I plan to wait for YEARS and even then, my next computer upgrade will be an R7-5800X3D. Hell, I have 32GB of DDR4 so I may as well ride it for as long as possible!We all should wait buying new stuff for at least 5-6 months, after 3-4 quarters of low sales they would reconsider their strategy and adjust prices accordingly.
That it will my friend, that it will. I commend all Europeans for being willing to do the right thing even if they're suffering instead of whining about every little thing like so many on the West side of the Atlantic do. Respect to you.This winter will be a bad time for Europe with energy prices.
Well, yeah, it's not like media PCs need much. I bet that you could run a 4K media PC just with an Athlon APU. It doesn't take much for 2D graphics.After seeing the prices of the 7000 series, and the 600 series boards, I'm tempted to do the same, grab an A520 board for my media PC, and just upgrade it with older parts. I dont really want to pay $1000 for entry level AM5.
Unicorns don't exist.Edgy...I'd like some opinions from members who are thinking of upgrading their AMD systems.
It's also the CPU that would be most suitable for the one sector that will actually buy these right away, productivity.It is the motherboard and DDR5 prices that have gone crazy. The 7600X is expensive but it is to be expected for a new tech CPU - it should be sold at a more realistic price in about 6-12 months. It is not surprising that the 7950X is the top seller at launch. It is the "value" CPU here - it has great price-performance.
What do you currently have? If it's AM4, don't bother, just get a 5600-5700X if you don't already have a 5000-series and get a 5800X3d if you do already have a 5000-series. This assumes that you're a gamer of course. If you bought an Intel platform during the AM4 era, well, you're screwed.I had planned to get a 7700x at launch and decided to not to. I was disappointed with the default TDP and could not find a motherboard I liked that wasn't scalper priced. At this point, I'm going to wait and see what Intel is going to offer before I decide what to buy for my new build.
What do you have at the moment?Maybe they should focus more on less power and heat. That is the thing that stops me from buying them.
If you want to build an HTPC, why would you use Zen4?I may also build a HTPC/Steambox when they release a good new APU.
In my country 5600G, 5600 and 5600x are in top 3 sales at major resellers.5700x is even cheaper atm.
I mean, sure, PCI-Express v4.0 is nice and SAM's a cool feature but they're not anything that really impacts the overall performance of your PC in any way that you'd definitely notice. For gamers with an AM4 platform, nothing would be better than the 5800X3D based on the performance numbers compared to the Zen4 parts. I personally just chose the 5700X because it was half the price of the 5800X3D and I liked the low (65W) TDP. The gaming performance of the 5700X is still beyond what I would call perfect so it was a good choice. My next upgrade will be to drop in a 5800X3D so the AM4 platform isn't quite as dead as people think.
The AM4 platform is the greatest PC platform ever released up to this point and it's not even close. It's like AMD's "GTX 1080 Ti" moment in that their offering was so good that nobody was really in a hurry to upgrade from it. This one platform is the consumer side of Zen which brought AMD from the brink of insolvency to being the undisputed CPU market leader (just look at what EPYC has done to Xeon) which speaks volumes about how great it really is.
Exactly! AM4 is still a viable platform.
I plan to wait for YEARS and even then, my next computer upgrade will be an R7-5800X3D. Hell, I have 32GB of DDR4 so I may as well ride it for as long as possible!
What do you currently have? If it's AM4, don't bother, just get a 5600-5700X if you don't already have a 5000-series and get a 5800X3d if you do already have a 5000-series. This assumes that you're a gamer of course. If you bought an Intel platform during the AM4 era, well, you're screwed.
People who do that^, will be stuck.Most people will more than have their needs served for 4-6 years building AM4 platform NOW. Absolutely nothing but very specific workload even saturates PCIE 4.0 and only competitive gamers need the CPU power for 1080p super high FPS gaming. So long as hardcore and these execs can't see beyond this, they'll keep scratching their heads why latest and greatest aren't always what most people want especially when it costs like 3x-5x than what it gets to fulfill their needs.
People who do that^, will be stuck.
Re: IO systems are getting a massive upgrade with AM5 and we've already seen that NVidia's drivers are having driver performance issues with slower platforms, now that reviewers are able to test on AM5 systems and see the scaling in games.
In may cases upgrading you CPU is one of the best ways of increasing a GPU's performance (There are many CPU review sites that illustrate this).
But.. if you are starting from scratch, it is a vastly superior decision to forgoe the upfront cost of AM5 platform, and future proof yourself from many headaches down the road. Specially if you are building a new rig for gaming...
The advantages of AM5 Socket is why a cheap Ryzen 7000 series CPU beats a higher priced Ryzen 5000 series (& Intel) in gaming. Because it's a Computer System and new kinds of performance is found in the subsystems and new socket pin design. (Such as PCIe 5.0 SSDs that do 14k write speeds, vs 7k PCIe 4.0 and how bandwidth ties into the new technologies like SAM and MS own Direct Storage, in DX12 games).
Secondly, about 1080p. Little kids are not the ones buying $600+ dGPU and many adults have been gaming @ 1440p for over 10 years now... and moving on to 4k. 1440p is where 80% of the Gaming market is headed, the other 20% is 4k... That is what this rate race is all about, what GPU will push 1440p games to the level of 120hz -144Hz -266Hz Monitor that I am buying..? (Logically, you match your GPU to your Monitor's abilities.)
Honestly, nobody cares about 1080p gaming or 1080p dGPU's... they have PS5 & XSX that push that at 120Hz.
3840 x 2160 is only 2.46% on Steam.Steam survey says 1080P pc gaming is at 66%+. Nothing else comes remotely close, 1440P is the next closest at 11%+. It's not happening as fast as you think it is.
Why would anyone buy DDR4 cas14 for that much when the performance drop for 3600 isn't significant for the money.
Steam survey says 1080P pc gaming is at 66%+. Nothing else comes remotely close, 1440P is the next closest at 11%+. It's not happening as fast as you think it is.
EXACTLY, you just made my entire point... all those who are with small monitors @ 1080p will be looking forward to moving to cheap 1440p monitors at larger sizes... and be buying GPU that support them.
THAT^ will be the FOCUS.