AMD Ryzen 7000 is off to a slow start, Zen 4 sales are not good

m3tavision

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There are large monitors that come in 1080P as well. Along with millions of large screen 1080P TV's used for gaming. Of course its going to happen eventually but the vast majority of people don't upgrade like enthusiasts so it will be a SLOW process.
Nobody is upgrading to 1080p.... they already are at 1080p.

And they all want 1440p, or higher resolution, because they have XSX & PS5 and $600 video cards... and are not stuck at 1080p anymore.

Coincidentally, a 32" 1080p monitor is laughable.. that is why a 32" 1440p monitors are so desirable.
 

Rq3EWAq

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Coincidentally, a 32" 1080p monitor is laughable.. that is why a 32" 1440p monitors are so desirable.

32" 4K even more so! I waited for quite some time until reasonable monitors appeared on the market in that size. Now, I use two of them. 🥰
 

fps4ever

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Nobody is upgrading to 1080p.... they already are at 1080p.

And they all want 1440p, or higher resolution, because they have XSX & PS5 and $600 video cards... and are not stuck at 1080p anymore.

Coincidentally, a 32" 1080p monitor is laughable.. that is why a 32" 1440p monitors are so desirable.

I never said they were "upgrading" to 1080P. You are missing my point.
 

inhility

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Nobody is upgrading to 1080p.... they already are at 1080p.

And they all want 1440p, or higher resolution, because they have XSX & PS5 and $600 video cards... and are not stuck at 1080p anymore.

Coincidentally, a 32" 1080p monitor is laughable.. that is why a 32" 1440p monitors are so desirable.
1080p is mandatory for competitive gamers that game at like 300+++ FPS otherwise the higher you go up the res the less CPU matters, by 4K you pretty much stand to gain absolutely nothing going for AM5 unless you're getting 4090 and play with DLSS3 for some games.
 

gamerk2

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Perhaps recession was the wrong word, but consumer confidence feels relevant to me. I agree it's not about declines in jobs or GDP. It's about the higher prices everywhere you turn. I'm not an economist, but this is the theme I hear over and over in casual conversations and mainstream media.

I think it may be one of those things where the fear of a recession causes a recession when all is said and done.

The main issue with the economy is we're in a worker shortage; there's about 2 Million fewer people in the workforce then the pre-pandemic days. About half of those losses are boomers, the other half were largely the ones who died. This has lead to both shortages in production and increased worker wages, both of which will raise prices. Throw in food and oil shortages (both driven by the Ukraine situation, plus OPEC deciding its time to jack prices again) and you have the current state of affairs.

So the Fed is using about the only tool it has: Jack interest rates and drive down inflation. And as long as the labor market remains robust, there's really no reason for them to slow down. But the *fear* of a slowdown is causing the markets to get jittery, which reduces investment and may end up causing a recession as a result.

Regardless, the rising prices on basic goods/services are quite visible, and with CPUs chasing ever smaller performance gains, people question why they should upgrade now. Which in some way is reassuring; people instead could be upgrading now because of the expectation prices will be higher in the future, which becomes self-fulfilling.
 

m3tavision

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1080p is mandatory for competitive gamers that game at like 300+++ FPS otherwise the higher you go up the res the less CPU matters, by 4K you pretty much stand to gain absolutely nothing going for AM5 unless you're getting 4090 and play with DLSS3 for some games.

Correct, there are tons of cheap 266Hz+ 1440p monitors on the way for 2023...

That is the exact reason there is a dGPU war.

AND yes AM5 will speed up your GPU because the I/O die in the 7000 series allows for faster frames.... as seen in all the reviews.

AND nobody cares about DLSS3..
 

HardReset

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Why would AMD do that? Ryzen 5nm chiplets are same that go into Epyc and AMD will likely use 6nm IO die until 2025 at least.

Makes no sense at all unless they are meaning CPU package.
 

erickmendes

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AMD is victim to it's own AM4 success... Anyone with an good AM4 motherboard can get a 5800x3D an have best gaming performance... So an AM5 motherboard upgrade now is not really sensible... I'm looking for AM5 when the next Ryzen series arrive, perhaps Ryzen 9000, when AM5 is more mature, DDR5 support too, and all the PCIe 5 and ATX 3 will also be more widespread...

Being an early adopter is an expensive hobby, and I'm out of money.
 

m3tavision

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AMD is victim to it's own AM4 success... Anyone with an good AM4 motherboard can get a 5800x3D an have best gaming performance... So an AM5 motherboard upgrade now is not really sensible... I'm looking for AM5 when the next Ryzen series arrive, perhaps Ryzen 9000, when AM5 is more mature, DDR5 support too, and all the PCIe 5 and ATX 3 will also be more widespread...

Being an early adopter is an expensive hobby, and I'm out of money.
Correct and to that point.

You don't upgrade to AM5 mobo, you wait until you build a new System. (Nothing in your old machine will take advantage of your new machine.)

Hence, those still using outdated subsystem, (ie: iNTEL Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake 1 & 2, Comet Lake, or early AM4 rigs) will need to build new systems.

There is a bunch of LGA-1155, LGA-1150, LGA-1151 & LGA-1200 Owners looking at faster speeds... just like people who built AM4 rigs 5 or 6 years ago.
 

quadibloc

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At my local computer store, they've sold out of nearly all the AM5 motherboards they had, so clearly there is some interest in the new chip. It's reasonable that people are reluctant to incur the additional expense of a new motherboard for a minor upgrade, but there will be those who intend to jump a few generations. It's a pity that AMD couldn't have made a chip for the AM4 platform, using DDR4, so as to fit in the old motherboards, but using the same CPU die as the 7000 series - remember when Intel made a Pentium Overdrive chip that fit in 486 motherboards?