AMD will sell a stripped-down version of Sony's PlayStation 4 APU

By Shawn Knight · 18 replies
Feb 28, 2013
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  1. At this point we know that Sony’s upcoming PlayStation 4 game console will be powered by an AMD APU that consists of eight Jaguar CPU cores as well as integrated Radeon graphics with a shared GDDR5 memory set. AMD’s head...

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  2. Littleczr

    Littleczr TS Addict Posts: 439   +86

    The ps4 will be great for Casual user who don't want to fiddle with a gaming PC. Makes me think that the games will improve and pc gamers like me won't get watered down console game versions.
    Tekkaraiden likes this.
  3. j0hnrea

    j0hnrea TS Rookie

    Computers won the console (and phone) wars. The success of the XBox proved that. Looking at the Top500 supercomputers, graphics cards defeated PowerPC (XBox 360, PS3) in performance.

    I inferred from AMD's announcement 3 things:
    1) If you want to hack on a PS4-type hardware for functional reasons, you have a legal outlet.
    2) If your facebook machine or phone can't handle interesting games or the malware on it, you should get a PS4.
    3) With DDR4 releasing soon, and the XBox 720 announcement rumored to use DDR3, consoles from Sony and MS may start doing iterative releases, like iPads and iPhones currently do. Being able to sell inventory across channels means Sony and MS get upgrades first, with general availability later.
    psycros likes this.
  4. ArthurZ

    ArthurZ TS Rookie Posts: 79

    Is that AMD's visions as the road to recovery? Bad idea. Who is going to buy from AMD? Are they going to transition to being a gaming empire? They will sink with Sony together as a torpedoed convoy
    AMD simply has no expertise in retailing or online business and gaming.
  5. Ma_ga

    Ma_ga TS Rookie Posts: 39

    Isn't the other way around? sony is using an "powered-up" APU and now AMD is going to sell the "normal" one to the public
  6. Tekkaraiden

    Tekkaraiden TS Evangelist Posts: 997   +93

    I'm looking forward to seeing how that apu performs when it's released.
  7. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,264

    Somewhat of a false economy unfortunately. When PS4 launches, undoubtedly PC gaming gets a lift due to a more substantial and closer-to-PC orientated nature of the console- but consoles generally have long life spans, so while PC gaming will continue to evolve via API (DX11.1, 12, DirectCompute etc), and more pervasive use of more competent instruction sets, it won't take long for the PS4 to stagnate relative to the PC. If the Unreal4 demo (PS4 v. PC) is anything to go by, even the bright, shiny and unreleased PS4 might already be making compromises from Day zero.
  8. Amd gaming graphics is in all 3 new consoles, wii u, xbox 720 and ps4
  9. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 1,872   +1,291

    And all this means is that the inevitable PS4 emulators will just get better over time :) I would never buy a console, but I might buy console-exclusive *games* if I could play them on my PC, with full mouse/kb support.
  10. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

    Especially how far developed x86 virtualization has come. VMX instructions provide additional paging, and additional binary-translation guest-host context transition, it's not far from possible at all.
  11. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,264

    psycros, Zeromus

    Not sure why you're quoting my post, nor the post I replied to. They have little bearing upon what you are expounding.
    The report concerns a "stripped down" PS4 APU (and not the games themselves). Common sense should dictate that the "stripped down" means removal of the Sony IP (since it isn't ATX spec), and the GDDR5 shared memory (since there is no JEDEC spec for that)- so stripped down likely means a standard DDR3 controller and chips. What you're likely to end up with is a pretty standard APU with DDR3 soldered onto the board.
    Within the context of an AMD APU shouldn't that be SVM ? VMX is Intel (VT-x)
  12. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

    Not necessarily, would you use an AMD CPU or Intel CPU to emulate a AMD CPU? lol
  13. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,264

    Isn't the story about AMD APU ? I could have sworn the topic was the AMD chips powering the PS4, and de-powered AMD APU SoC for the PC least that's what I was posting about...I didn't realize that meant using Intel emulation to play console games :confused:
    AMD-V equals SVM (Secure Virtual Machine) : AMD developed its first generation virtualization extensions under the code name "Pacifica", and initially published them as AMD Secure Virtual Machine (SVM),but later marketed them under the trademark AMD Virtualization, abbreviated AMD-V.
    Intel VT-x equals VMX
  14. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

    Yeah I know, I'm quite familiar with AMD's implementation (Their first implementation for hardware-assisted-virtualization didn't even include paging support for long mode, otherwise known now as EPT [which Intel had in their first implementation]). What I was coming from is emulating PS4 games on a PC, and emulating them very well (choosing intel as the host processor). Thanks for the extra facts I already know, I'll be sure use them next you pull out your all-so-famous sarcasm card.
  15. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,264

    No problem. Just interested in finding out why my post was quoted when you and psycros seemed to having a conversation that had virtually nothing to do with what I wrote. Normally, if I get an alert that my post is quoted I'll check it out to see what area of it is being discussed....imagine my despondency once I realized that my quoted post served absolutely no purpose other than as some interlude before some chit-chat about playing console games on PC :(
  16. raypozas

    raypozas TS Rookie

    AMD APU's with a 7850 GPU equivalent would be a game changer for the low end PC market. Only little over 4% of worldwide users game over 1080P resolutions it seems according to the Steam Hardware & Software Survey of January 2013.
  17. I wonder how xbox or nintendo will fight against PS4, will they use nvidia titan's GPU for their next console? :p
  18. TS-56336

    TS-56336 TS Addict Posts: 609   +109

    I would imagine changing the 256-bit GDDR5 interface into 128-bit GDDR5, with motherboard makers being asked to integrate four GDDR5 chips with price adjustments on the chipset side; and 128-bit common DDR3 interface for system memory. It's not like AMD hasn't toyed with the concept of two independent IMCs on a CPU before (K10).
  19. PC nerd

    PC nerd TS Booster Posts: 317   +41

    Do you reckon similarity between the new consoles and PC's will produce some ports that aren't unplayable piles of shite, like current console ports.

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