AMD's CPUs lose ground to Intel in latest Steam hardware survey, Windows 7 gains users

Ludak021

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Trying to create a news story using Steam survey is suspect. Just ignore this crap. Steam survey is so random and it pops up on any computer that Steam is on.

I used to have Steam on my work computer to chat with people during the day at times. I've had the survey notification pop up multiple times on it and this computer is a worthless POS compared to a low-end gaming rig.

I haven't seen the Steam survey pop-up come up on my computer at home for a long, long time. I power off my computer every night and Steam automatically launches when the computer boots. In fact, I haven't seen it for years. The last time I did a Steam survey was just after I got my 980Ti...that was 6 years ago!

Anyone that actually believes that the Steam survey info is a good source to base their opinions on and write stories off, they have some serious issues.

Which surveys should they use? AMDs? Intels? Some paid ones? Something else? Maybe go from door to door of 100s of millions of people? Use malware attacks to collect data?
Common, give us a reliable source, I am sure a lot of people would like to see it.
 

SethNW

Posts: 25   +31
CPU wise, AMD did this to themselves, by choosing to hike up prices and not compete below 300USD. Since 5600X got hurt the most by its price increase, since it was flat number increase, so it had biggest percent increase. Plus biggest segment is below 300USD. And while 3600 is an option, Intel's 10400F for example is very competitive with that while costing less. Like locally it is 150EUR vs 200EUR. At that difference 5600 non-X would be killing it with Zen3 performance increase, but Zen2 doesn't. And a lot of people, when they get CPU, they will stick with it for more than 3 years, so upgrade path isn't as big of an issue.

As for Windows 7, my guess would be that it was luck of a draw with who gets surveyed. Maybe even some returning gamers who didn't game for a while. Who knows.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,217   +5,972
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Windows 7 market share went from 1.97% to 4.88% right? That’s not a 2.91% increase, that’s a 150% increase. This sounds fishy.
Well no. What they're saying is it jumped from 1.97% to 4.98% of total users. Which would mean that 95.02% of users are NOT using Windows 7.

By your math of course, you're quite correct. It's just that you're keeping score differently.

To the downside though, you are guilty of the cardinal sin of data analysis. Which is, "statistics can be made to say whatever you want them to". :laughing:
 
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AuerX

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As soon as AMD is back on the upswing, the Steam survey will be totally legit again.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,217   +5,972
As soon as AMD is back on the upswing, the Steam survey will be totally legit again.
If you can't buy the AMD CPUs, you can''t build with them. So how is that survey "not legit", because it's simply .not what you wanted to hear?

It's like Japanese Admiral Yamamoto was reputed to have said after bombing Pearl Harbor, "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant".

How I long for the old AMD, "Bulldozer" days. It was so nice and peaceful around here then.
 

Nobina

Posts: 3,292   +3,369
If you can't buy the AMD CPUs, you can''t build with them. So how is that survey "not legit", because it's simply .not what you wanted to hear?

It's like Japanese Admiral Yamamoto was reputed to have said after bombing Pearl Harbor, "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant".

How I long for the old AMD, "Bulldozer" days. It was so nice and peaceful around here then.
He's being sarcastic. By AMD fanboys, Steam survey legitimacy is not questioned if AMD gains market share - is what he's saying.
 

Neatfeatguy

Posts: 444   +709
Which surveys should they use? AMDs? Intels? Some paid ones? Something else? Maybe go from door to door of 100s of millions of people? Use malware attacks to collect data?
Common, give us a reliable source, I am sure a lot of people would like to see it.
HAHAHA!
Wow, seems like someone got triggered because their beloved Steam Survey got blasted.

Folks have posted just in this topic why it's not a reliable place to get information from.

I know people that use steam and they also have FX 6xxx series cards, yet Steam doesn't show a single AMD card from the current generation. AMD cards, at least for me, are easier to obtain than any Nvidia card right now.

I know my brother has been using his 5700XT for the past 2 years and he's never gotten the Steam Survey since he got it.

I haven't seen a Steam Survey since I last did one just after I moved to my 980Ti. Since then I've replaced all the main hardware - MB, RAM, CPU and GPU. The 980Ti released just over 6 years ago.

The information they share is incomplete and from what I've experienced and others have posted about, shows you that the information is biased. Using it to say Intel is moving up or AMD is taking a lead or Windows 7 is making a come back is just plain flat out stupid.

Did you see how many ignorant places wrote a story about how Cyberpunk 2077 player base was down 70+% only a month after it's release based on Steam player count? What a horse$hit story. Writing about a single player game, a month after it released, showing a decrease in game play from a single source.... A lot of single player games, when released, are played for a few weeks, then folks beat it and move on. That's just how it is. If CP2077 was an online game and the numbers severely tanked after a month, then yes, it would be a story to write about.

Use your brain, don't let stupid one sided stories persuade your judgement, look at everything as a whole before you decide the information that is being fed to you is reliable.
 

Irata

Posts: 1,675   +2,812
There's no shortage of Ryzen 5000 products in the UK, I do think the 5600X is due a price cut but I think Lisa Su is waiting for the remaining 3600 stock to be fully sold which is easily their best selling CPI ever.
All are available in Germany and prices have gone down considerably - 5600x through 5900x are even available below msrp.

Going by Mindfactory‘s sales numbers, Ryzen 3600 was indeed incredibly popular - they sold 148,000 although it seems the boxed versions are gone. Same for the 3600x which was far less popular with about 25k units sold.
 

Ludak021

Posts: 526   +384
HAHAHA!
Wow, seems like someone got triggered because their beloved Steam Survey got blasted.

Folks have posted just in this topic why it's not a reliable place to get information from.

I know people that use steam and they also have FX 6xxx series cards, yet Steam doesn't show a single AMD card from the current generation. AMD cards, at least for me, are easier to obtain than any Nvidia card right now.

I know my brother has been using his 5700XT for the past 2 years and he's never gotten the Steam Survey since he got it.

I haven't seen a Steam Survey since I last did one just after I moved to my 980Ti. Since then I've replaced all the main hardware - MB, RAM, CPU and GPU. The 980Ti released just over 6 years ago.

The information they share is incomplete and from what I've experienced and others have posted about, shows you that the information is biased. Using it to say Intel is moving up or AMD is taking a lead or Windows 7 is making a come back is just plain flat out stupid.

Did you see how many ignorant places wrote a story about how Cyberpunk 2077 player base was down 70+% only a month after it's release based on Steam player count? What a horse$hit story. Writing about a single player game, a month after it released, showing a decrease in game play from a single source.... A lot of single player games, when released, are played for a few weeks, then folks beat it and move on. That's just how it is. If CP2077 was an online game and the numbers severely tanked after a month, then yes, it would be a story to write about.

Use your brain, don't let stupid one sided stories persuade your judgement, look at everything as a whole before you decide the information that is being fed to you is reliable.
keep foaming.
 

ZedRM

Posts: 616   +387
Trying to create a news story using Steam survey is suspect. Just ignore this crap. Steam survey is so random and it pops up on any computer that Steam is on.

I used to have Steam on my work computer to chat with people during the day at times. I've had the survey notification pop up multiple times on it and this computer is a worthless POS compared to a low-end gaming rig.

I haven't seen the Steam survey pop-up come up on my computer at home for a long, long time. I power off my computer every night and Steam automatically launches when the computer boots. In fact, I haven't seen it for years. The last time I did a Steam survey was just after I got my 980Ti...that was 6 years ago!

Anyone that actually believes that the Steam survey info is a good source to base their opinions on and write stories off, they have some serious issues.
Nothing to see here....move along.
You discount the stats because you don't like them. That's special. However Steam surveys have proven a reliable market trend indicator.
 

duckofdeath

Posts: 448   +586
It's all about supply, AMD is the top choice for CPU's, sold out then you buy Intel.
There is supply of AMD processors. The problem is their greedy pricing. You can get your hands on plenty of AMD processors if you're willing to fund Dr. Su's bigger yacht for that 400 buck midrange processor.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,217   +5,972
There is supply of AMD processors. The problem is their greedy pricing. You can get your hands on plenty of AMD processors if you're willing to fund Dr. Su's bigger yacht for that 400 buck midrange processor.
What happened to all the talk of Intel being a bunch of "thieving b*stards", and AMD being, "the processor of the people"?
 
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Lew Zealand

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There is supply of AMD processors. The problem is their greedy pricing. You can get your hands on plenty of AMD processors if you're willing to fund Dr. Su's bigger yacht for that 400 buck midrange processor.

What's this imaginary $400 midrange processor you're referring to? Don't worry, I already know it doesn't exist but I'm wondering which one you think it is. The R7 5800X is $400 but that can't be it because then Intel wouldn't make any high end processor anymore and their midrange processors would be $400-550.
 
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duckofdeath

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What's this imaginary $400 midrange processor you're referring to? Don't worry, I already know it doesn't exist but I'm wondering which one you think it is. The R7 5800X is $400 but that can't be it because then Intel wouldn't make any high end processor anymore and their midrange processors would be $400-550.
Funny how you avoid to mention how close the midrange 5 series is to 400 bucks now. Or is that high end too? All of them high end, to justify gouging the consumer? I thought it was only apple living in a fantasy world where we don't compare contemporarily, but only with selective legacy specs? Have PC sunken this low in denial?
They saw an opportunity to cash in massively and they did. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same, but stop kidding yourself. You're paying way too much for tech these days.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,217   +5,972
You're paying way too much for tech these days.
Be that as it may, you can still go out and piss away $200.00 on a stinking pair of sneakers with some basketball player's name on them.

That same deuce might net you close to 4, 2 TB HDDs, a kick a** set of memory sticks, or even a mid to high range mobo.

Even at its current, "over priced state", you still get more for your money in tech than just about anything else on the planet. That's taking everything into consideration, R & D, raw materials, and especially the hyper precision equipment required to produce it.

How long does it take the average person to rip through $200.00 worth of gasoline, parking fees, and tolls? And you don't have anything to show for it when the money's gone.

Jus' sayin'.

PS: As long as you stay far away from those damned flagship smartphones, tech's a bargain.
 
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