AMD's Ryzen 7 9800X3D gets official, arrives November 7 priced at $479

[BabaYaga]

Weeeell, You got Me.
But, They haven't made 5800x3d for some time now, and It just disappeared from sales, like month ago. Last pieces went for under $200, but started in 2022 at the same $450.
So I don't know what to think. I smell price gouging.
;-)

25+ in stock by me of 5700x3d for $179.

 

[VemigoAmigo]

I actually do own 7950X3D and I am beating 7800X3D gaming performance. New bios updates allow per CCD Precision adjustment for core so with -21 on 1st ccd and -15 on second ccd. Also, even after disabling 1 CCD, the 1st CCD on 7950X3D has max clock of 5250 MHZ vs 5050 with 7800X3D. Most folks don't pare it with low latency ram. I have my GSKILL ram at 6200MHZ 28-37-37-28 with secondary and tertiary timing at low numbers. My gaming performance is higher with CCD on with nearly all games. Especially, CPU heavy games such as Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Wars Jedi Survivor etc. The milage may vary with games and desktop builds even windows version has an influence.

Unless you disable entire CCD without 3D cache, you won't beat 7800X3D.

I have tried 7950X3D myself numerous times and minimum fps was lower than 7800X3D unless you disabled CCD without 3D cache.

The video I posted has proof as well and is only a few weeks old.

Single CCD is always better for gaming and 9000X3D won't change this. According to leakers, AMD won't even put 3D cache on both CCDs because it makes little sense. It is better to NOT USE CCD without 3D cache in games at all so OS will put CCD with no 3D cache to sleep (parked) while gaming.

 

[zx8086]

The last few years in CPUs have been so disappointing, and this is the icing on the cake. 9xxx line up is so so at best, and now the X3D situation is becoming a farce. I was hoping that the release of 9800X3D will bring the price of 7800X3D down, so I can finally upgrade to AM5, but there seems to be a fat chance of that, what with scarce availability and crazy prices of the latter. That really sucks.

The previously-unthinkable scenario in which I'm pairing my ol' trusty 5600X with ~5080 is becoming more and more plausible. AM5 is just too expensive (2 years after launch :/).

 

[VemigoAmigo]

The last few years in CPUs have been so disappointing, and this is the icing on the cake. 9xxx line up is so so at best, and now the X3D situation is becoming a farce. I was hoping that the release of 9800X3D will bring the price of 7800X3D down, so I can finally upgrade to AM5, but there seems to be a fat chance of that, what with scarce availability and crazy prices of the latter. That really sucks.

The previously-unthinkable scenario in which I'm pairing my ol' trusty 5600X with ~5080 is becoming more and more plausible. AM5 is just too expensive (2 years after launch :/).

A farce? 9000X3D is literally gold compared to regular Ryzen 9000 chips, which still beat 7000 series.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-98...ghz-overclock-multi-thread-on-par-7950x-265k/

You need 5800X3D as minimum if you intend to pair a 5080 with an AM4 system.

You can afford a 1200 dollar GPU but you can't afford to upgrade a dated platform?
Yes, RTX 5080 is going to be 1200 dollars minimum.

9800X3D fixes all of 7800X3D's weakpoints: Low clockspeed, no OC, lacking application performance. There is also games that don't scale well with cache and rather wants high clockspeed, or wants both, 9800X3D will deliver in all aspects of gaming and still be great for applications.

 

[Loadedaxe]

This price is way too much. $399 at best, hell the 5700X3D was $249 and is still a very good processor, this is $200 more. AMD is turning into the new Intel.

 

[zx8086]

A farce? 9000X3D is literally gold compared to regular Ryzen 9000 chips, which still beat 7000 series.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-98...ghz-overclock-multi-thread-on-par-7950x-265k/

You need 5800X3D as minimum if you intend to pair a 5080 with an AM4 system.

You can afford a 1200 dollar GPU but you can't afford to upgrade a dated platform?
Yes, RTX 5080 is going to be 1200 dollars minimum.

9800X3D fixes all of 7800X3D's weakpoints: Low clockspeed, no OC, lacking application performance. There is also games that don't scale well with cache and rather wants high clockspeed, or wants both, 9800X3D will deliver in all aspects of gaming and still be great for applications.

Funny, you sound nearly word for word like the guy I replied to here. Especially the nonsense about how

You need 5800X3D as minimum if you intend to pair a 5080 with an AM4 system"

You mean if I put it in now with the 5600X, it'd refuse to start or something?
If you think I still don't get it, and wanna says something about bottlenecking, etc, plz read my reply I linked to first.

Some other points:
-by "farce" I mean the situation where the old chip (7800X3D) is costing nearly as much or more as on the release day, and the new one is more expensive still. This is bull, some new post-Covid paradox. If this was Nvidia or Intel people would lose their minds screaming about greed, gouging, etc.
-if 9000 series beats the 7000 why was it slated on this very website for not actually doing so?
-yes, I have a limited budget. So, a singular expense of 1200 USD on 5080 will most likely bring me much higher gains than spending 700-800 on AM5 rig. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

I'm sure that 9800X3D will be a very good chip, but maybe we should wait for some reviews before declaring it the 2nd coming? That's besides the fact that some people really seem to have the X3D Worship Syndrome, despite the real-life bang for buck scenarios (especially for lower tier cards) painting a much more somber picture.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

People still overclock? I haven't overclocked since the "pencil trick." A few Mhz extra better not be the reason for higher performance. You can keep your 5-10% if that means loads more power and temp. If there is no clear performance gain from the architecture alone, this is a fail. I really hope the only reason for AMD to move the cache to the bottom is not just so they can clock it higher. We're back to what Intel was just doing by adding power to get gains.

For people who are building from scratch, 9950x3d and 9800x3d will make sense but if you have an even 5700x3d, then this will be a momumental waste of money to upgrade. 5700x3d is $180 and you can stay on AMD4 and not have to upgrade an entire PC.

https://www.microcenter.com/product...-8-core-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included

Yeah, I stopped this practice ages ago. Simply no need.

 

[Loadedaxe]

A farce? 9000X3D is literally gold compared to regular Ryzen 9000 chips, which still beat 7000 series.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-98...ghz-overclock-multi-thread-on-par-7950x-265k/

You need 5800X3D as minimum if you intend to pair a 5080 with an AM4 system.

You can afford a 1200 dollar GPU but you can't afford to upgrade a dated platform?
Yes, RTX 5080 is going to be 1200 dollars minimum.

9800X3D fixes all of 7800X3D's weakpoints: Low clockspeed, no OC, lacking application performance. There is also games that don't scale well with cache and rather wants high clockspeed, or wants both, 9800X3D will deliver in all aspects of gaming and still be great for applications.

Some people dont want to spend the extra, especially when his is not that old. Some of us want to use what we have paid for with our hard earned money as long as we can. If he upgraded his GPU now and waitied for something better or for current pricing to become reasonable, whats the foul in that?

It has nothing to do with "what he can afford" more about what he wants to spend.

 

[VemigoAmigo]

Funny, you sound nearly word for word like the guy I replied to here. Especially the nonsense about how

You mean if I put it in now with the 5600X, it'd refuse to start or something?
If you think I still don't get it, and wanna says something about bottlenecking, etc, plz read my reply I linked to first.

Some other points:
-by "farce" I mean the situation where the old chip (7800X3D) is costing nearly as much or more as on the release day, and the new one is more expensive still. This is bull, some new post-Covid paradox. If this was Nvidia or Intel people would lose their minds screaming about greed, gouging, etc.
-if 9000 series beats the 7000 why was it slated on this very website for not actually doing so?
-yes, I have a limited budget. So, a singular expense of 1200 USD on 5080 will most likely bring me much higher gains than spending 700-800 on AM5 rig. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

I'm sure that 9800X3D will be a very good chip, but maybe we should wait for some reviews before declaring it the 2nd coming? That's besides the fact that some people really seem to have the X3D Worship Syndrome, despite the real-life bang for buck scenarios (especially for lower tier cards) painting a much more somber picture.

5080 with a 5600X will bottleneck no doubt but sure go ahead not that I care. Even at high-res you will not see full GPU usage in many games.

A system needs balance. You don't pair a 1200+ dollar GPU with a 100 dollar CPU.

You are on a budget, but spends 1200-1500 dollars on a GPU. Hahaha. At least throw a 5800X3D in that system or it will make close to no sense.

 

[VemigoAmigo]

Some people dont want to spend the extra, especially when his is not that old. Some of us want to use what we have paid for with our hard earned money as long as we can. If he upgraded his GPU now and waitied for something better or for current pricing to become reasonable, whats the foul in that?

It has nothing to do with "what he can afford" more about what he wants to spend.

Its like putting 50 dollar tires on a Lamborghini - makes no point really. If you can't afford to upgrade a dated 5600X, you can't afford to buy RTX 5080. It is as simple as that.

 

[Loadedaxe]

Its like putting 50 dollar tires on a Lamborghini - makes no point really. If you can't afford to upgrade a dated 5600X, you can't afford to buy RTX 5080. It is as simple as that.

It is not the same.
He obviously is going to upgrade later.

 

[VemigoAmigo]

It is not the same.
He obviously is going to upgrade later.

Obviously...

 

[zx8086]

5080 with a 5600X will bottleneck no doubt but sure go ahead not that I care. Even at high-res you will not see full GPU usage in many games.

A system needs balance. You don't pair a 1200+ dollar GPU with a 100 dollar CPU.

You are on a budget, but spends 1200-1500 dollars on a GPU. Hahaha. At least throw a 5800X3D in that system or it will make close to no sense.

Why do I need to see full GPU usage when 60-90fps at 4K is more than enough for the type of games I play? That's aside from the obvious, which is that it'd be obviously a temporary measure.

"A system needs balance" - sorry bud, this is not a Zen workshop but tech website. If my old CPU combined with new GPU is able to deliver results, why do I have to "throw in 5800X#D", as if that wouldn't require spending +350 or more USD, just for the sake of some esoteric "balance"?

I could parrot your hahaha but this kinda of tripe, where armchair experts just parrot each others' nonsensical claims, is not actually funny but sad.