Tell me where you can get high end desktop i9 from intel build for a desktop not laptop with a very big heat sink and water cooling and fans with pulling in 700 watts or more heating up your room all in a small laptop with impressive 16 hour battery not 4 hour battery life you get with those gaming laptops just reading your email or twitter.
Apple has a game changer in its M1 UltraFusion Chip Interconnect
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Tell me where you can get high end desktop i9 from intel build for a desktop not laptop with a very big heat sink and water cooling and fans with pulling in 700 watts or more heating up your room all in a small laptop with impressive 16 hour battery not 4 hour battery life you get with those gaming laptops just reading your email or twitter.
Mr Majestyk
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If Apple weren't so self-absorbed with themselves and would make the M1 series available to third parties, I would actually be impressed. Im not buying into Apple's ecosystem, because I don't have more money than sense. The cost of a M1 Ultra based system is far far higher than I could build myself using Intel or AMD. Yes performance per watt is impressive but my electricity isn't so expensive that I could possibly recoup the cost difference in less than 20 years.
I'm glad Apple though has lit a fire under the arse of Intel and AMD but they will not be leaving this space to Apple for too long. Arrow Lake will be going after Mx series big time and I'm sure AMD's newer APU's like Phoenix and beyond will also be really excellent and narrow the gap.
I'm glad Apple though has lit a fire under the arse of Intel and AMD but they will not be leaving this space to Apple for too long. Arrow Lake will be going after Mx series big time and I'm sure AMD's newer APU's like Phoenix and beyond will also be really excellent and narrow the gap.
Xallisto
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DCOCA
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What does that even mean?
Squid Surprise
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lol... no... although it was the first "good" one... and it continues to be FIRST in sales...
No one really use smartphones before 2010.
Back than was flip phones that just did calling and basic texting. Blackberry was more for business people.
Phones had keyboard back than. No virtual keyboard like the iPhone.
It was not like Android or iPhone.
brucek
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OK I'll bite just for fun, by what gymnastics are you going to define "computer industry" in such a way that Apple is a "minor player"?
yRaz
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how old are you? The iPhone came out in and there were touch screen "smart phones" before it. You could browse the internet, check email and listen to music. The onscreen keyboard might have been an apple first, although I doubt it. If anyone remembers when touch screen keyboards came out people absolutely hated them for years. Smartphones with a slid-out keyboard were a thing all the way up to 2014-2015.
And going back to the original iPhone, it took quite sometime before Apple released an app store for it. I think it wasn't until towards the end of the iPhone 3G that Apple released an app store and that "apps" were handled by the jail break community.
iPhone is not just phone but a mobile computer. Microsoft tried with PDA and phones and also tablets but what Apple did and Android did was hardware and OS experience to bring millions of apps to phone and tablet.
Had Microsoft made the hardware and had their own app store back in windows XP or windows Vista days things would be very different.
Steve Bellmore was to use to the old ways of doing things. Microsoft was use to old days of buy this device and get windows and go on the internet and find the apps you want for it.
And well with millions apps for desktop and laptop computers is one thing but terrible lack apps for PDA, tablets and phones is not going to win people over.
Even today Microsoft app store is still terrible with lack of apps for mobile than millions of apps for iPhone and Android.
That isn't at all what was meant by "first". Raking in loads of dough is not the same as innovating. The point was about first (in time) to do something. Not "first place".
Squid Surprise
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Pretty sure it wasn’t actually... cause CPUs have existed for decades.... FIRST means BEST in some way...
And Apple tends to lead (aka: come in first) with many of the products they sell.
Nope. This whole conversation stemmed from the fact that Apple was not the first company to implement tech like this.
kiwigraeme
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I concur - however Apple may be beholden to Intel/AMD in the future . This is mainly highly efficient - lots and lots of transistors . Now Apple have purpose built processors in there like Intel for Adobe etc .
Intel and AMD can do all that and have Xilinx. Intel have the other company .
FPGA, adaptive SoCs , AI inference engines - specialist engines can be made and rejigged going forward . Apple can only do that next year - so older phones slightly miss out and more problematic updating different SOC drivers .
Most devices fast enough now . Not sure what content creators use - but for big guys efficiency not a problem . Threadripper will only get more powerful - access to other PC tools .
Will adaptive chips - take off - I think so - the tech world is accelerating - open source - things will happen - just like AMD offering lots of cores ( lots of people trashed that at beginning ) - now we have an M1
The average power user at home is a gamer - the GPU is everything - cloud will become cheaper for other things where latency is not an issue .
With adaptive SOCs some of the stuff will need to be real time ( cars ) - on the WWW
Plus the Alliances means a lot with new tech and standards - You can NOT trust Apple - they have screwed over legacy stuff before - or stopped support . Microsoft who knows , Google who knows - doesn't matter - as large actors will find a way with Linux - or just pressurising MS .
As AI gets better - we could design at M1 chip in 10 years time = leasing Google resources in 1 day or less
End of day M1 - great for grandma , great for kids with ipad , great for phone , great for some content creators - after that - like you said APPLE won't sell them like other ARM soc companies . Google won't sell theirs either - but they will license their use .
5 years from now things will be interesting . Hopefully Android manufacturers catch mostly up . Google and MS really start supporting phones , tablets .
Why doe Apple sell IPADs cheap , or Nanos ( yesteryear ) etc .
What happens the day when the $100-$300 phone is super good ( already are to some degree ) .
All these companies know the future is new markets - Apple is investing in Cars, Finance, Medical ,etc - they all are Amazon and MS make a lot of money from Cloud - Apple does not yet have that skill to any large extend .
Start ups - will want agnostic , no fee solutions ,
Visa /Mastercard /Paypal won't be standing still .
So as I said interesting times - whose backing the right horses - Apples horse takes an early lead - but nothing that is hard to copy to good enough or better with say Google /IBM AI
As an aside - folks here going on about a companies worth is cringey - we are tech lovers . People loved Apple 1/II not because it was a rich company .
But because you could write programs for it - from day one etc ( maybe not Apple 1 - think you had to build it first ) - I bought a C64 as a teen with my own money as it was cheaper and more fun orientated for the masses- The computer room at high school with the Apple II was super popular lunch time , after school
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Unit sales in the major categories of desktops, laptops, phones. However along with the minor but decent size presence in these big segments, they have a larger presence in the smaller categories of tablets, watches, APUs, and OSes. So they're minor only when compared to the entirety of the industry as they take their share from more categories than any rivals.
And of course they are quite the major player when it comes to profits.
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