Are More RAM Modules Better for Gaming? 4 x 4GB vs. 2 x 8GB

Shake

TS Member
People running virtual machines, testing software and editing in 8K video will need that amount of RAM.

I'm just on Youtube, games and web browsing so I'm just not there.

My last big update was a 2080TiFTW3 Hybrid. I don't need anything else.
I just couldn't bring myself to dropping over a grand on a gpu. Went with evga 2080.
Good for you tho
 
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RX771

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This test is really not exact. There're 2 way to make ram layout, T-type would show what performance like Techspot's test result. But there're more and more Daisy chain in MBs.
Please remake this test and be sure what MB u use. Or this result is just sucks.
 

Danny101

TS Evangelist
I bought 2 8GB ram sticks for a 4-memory slot system so that I could later upgrade it to 32GB. It's only a few more frames so I still don't regret my decision. It's nice to know that I'll attain a few extra frames when that happens.
 

Evernessince

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I'm going to read the article now,
But I picked up 2x16 tridentz 3200.
Instead of 4x8,
I read going with 2 dimms instead of 4 is the better route, can anyone confirm this
That really depends. For example, one kit may have better timings. Heck your 2x16 kit might be dual rank, essentially giving it the same advantages and disadvantages of a 4 x 8 kit. You can check the number of ranks in a program like thypoon burner. I wish this kind of information was present on the specifications page.
 

imdarkbreeze

TS Booster
Yes, this article is clearly misleading in that it doesn't make clear the fact that DIMM specifications such as timings, frequency/speed and ranks might all play a role.

And as I posted earlier, including fact based links, but was deleted by moderation for saying somebody was an imbecile (Hint, they were, but I get it), IF you are overclocking the CPU or are have any considerations due to being near the ceiling on your thermal specifications, adding two more DIMMs MIGHT be a factor in an increased CPU package temperature.

Clearly this article suggests otherwise, as do some of you, but there are many good reasons for the preference of using a two DIMM configuration vs a four DIMM configuration, especially on a dual channel motherboard. I'll leave it at that since apparently the facts don't outweight the opinions of some people around here.
 

grumblguts

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Randomly random - you don't really say why you feel this way (everything would still run dandy with only 16GB), but thanks the share none the less. High end users working with large PDF, picture, video files etc may beg to differ. Cos in their case, more RAM is better. Always. For gaming 32GB is entirely enough I have found.


LOL, your name maybe be quite fitting. Got me 32GB of 4000 Patriot Viper for £200. New, from a shop. Just now. And checking and using "certified" / QVL components nearly 98%+ of the time isn't required. They just batch tested a small sample of components before release to show that it will work with the spec they specify.
What is your timings ?
 
Buildzoid made a clip discussing about this


TL,DR version: if you had X570 motherboard with Ryzen 2, they likely have daisy chain memory layout where 2 DIMM is the safest option. For Intel Z390 mother where the majority of motherboards are T-topology, the safest option is 4 DIMM config. All in all just check the Motherboard QVL before buying high performance Ram.
Now for PC enthusiasts: best option for X570 Ryzen 2 are 2x16GB 3600mhz Ram (running 1:1 ratio with FCLK).
For Intel Z390 just buy the highest rated 4x8GB kit out there, maybe 2x8GB if you want to beat some overclocking records (on very specific motherboard)
 
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jobeard

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there are many good reasons for the preference of using a two DIMM configuration vs a four DIMM configuration, especially on a dual channel motherboard. I'll leave it at that since apparently the facts don't outweight the opinions of some people around here.
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ubronan

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My experiences with 4 dimms is awefull, especially with faster memory modules
I have had every brand of the most expensive motherboard models ( intel cpu) and wanted to get at least over 32 Gb memory in my system with higher clockspeeds. All the major brands failed to run 4 dimms at the advertised xmp profiles. No matter if it was asus, gigabyte, msi or asrock they all failed to run at the xmp profiles. Even the relentless help from Corsair did not help one bit.
I still call Corsair the company with the best service ever, non of these motherboard makers get from me a positive impression. They all are selling crappy products so basically I feel screwed because there is no competition. All these factories sell crap and do give support to the stores door.
In other words non I have bought by now almost every so called best of the best of these crappy factories en ended up contant having problems with several items.
I really wish one real good brand would appear like tyan which never had such problems like I detected on the crap products from the great 4. Yes I am very demanding that is absolute true.
But I can not believe that I am the only one needing lots of nvme slots, memory, sata3 ports and more.
So back to the problems all the 4 dimm sets failed to run at the advertised speeds, hell not even the xmp profiles where possible no matter if it was ddr3 or ddr4 memory.
I bought from almost every factory sets of memory with advertised speeds example I bought a set for my old i7 board 32 GB ddr3 at 1866 Mhz all boards showed in their compat. lists that they would run for sure. Well dream on all of them ended in 1333 Mhz every time no matter what brand mobo I used.
Then I bought the newer models with ddr4 and was amazed to get the same result all of them supposed to be able to run 64 Gb or even 128 Gb memory well dream on non of them worked the high speeds as advertised they all crashed or booted up yes you guessed it at 2133 Mhz .....
So I started testing them all with the help from some major memory factories including Corsair.
But after I had tested 15 different motherboards even Corsair gave up with so many problems.
most do run at 2133 Mhz but non of the higher speed sets did what you expect they should do.
When I choose in the motherboard to run the memory at xmp profile you expect it to start and not come back dead or booting at 2133.
When you go back at very low amount of ram like 4 x 2 Gb or 4 x 4 Gb it works but when you go higher simply forget about having succes pretty soon. especially if you want 64 GB+ then fail is common.
If I look at all my friends I see that most only use 4 to 8 Gb of memory and some of these use 2 Gb modules siply because these can be clocked much higher than the larger ones.
These guys are overclockers who seek the limits, so they contant said to me higher overclocks are much easier on the small sized modules. So when I told my issues they confirmed that it would be very hard to get it working. They said the factories love to sell products with fantasy speeds which in most cases will not work. And before one starts to babble about QVL lists all of them where on these lists, some still are on these QVL but I assure you they will fail. The only ones which probably work well are the small amount sets. So QVL lists will not help much either, and worse is that most factories will simply stop responding when you do not accept that they advertised at high xmp speeds and it this not run. They simple asnwer its overclocking which we DO NOT SUPPORT.....
sounds familiar right the same answer I got from the motherboard vendors .... and then SILENCE
 

ubronan

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Buildzoid made a clip discussing about this


TL,DR version: if you had X570 motherboard with Ryzen 2, they likely have daisy chain memory layout where 2 DIMM is the safest option. For Intel Z390 mother where the majority of motherboards are T-topology, the safest option is 4 DIMM config. All in all just check the Motherboard QVL before buying high performance Ram.
Now for PC enthusiasts: best option for X570 Ryzen 2 are 2x16GB 3600mhz Ram (running 1:1 ratio with FCLK).
For Intel Z390 just buy the highest rated 4x8GB kit out there, maybe 2x8GB if you want to beat some overclocking records (on very specific motherboard)
Your wrong smaller memory modules do run better and are still recommended by factories themself as the best for overclocking,
Most overclockers I know prefer 1 or 2 slot dim configs maximum, several of them are on the top list with small size memory modules.
You hardly ever see one overclocking with 16 Gb of memory ever.
 

ubronan

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They should include the 1440p results too. Let's get real, you're NOT going to notice the difference between 165fps and 175fps in a game. Lots of people pretend they do just so they can justify spending the extra cash on 32GB ram, a super-high refresh monitor (20 blade razors anyone?), or so-called 'faster' ram, which in the tests I've seen is a wash once you get up around 3000 (yes, I know, AMD systems NEED 3200 or they'll spontaneously combust and kill all your neighbours).

I run one of the most demanding games known to mankind (DCS World) at 1440p with 16GB ram and a 1070 and still never use more than 14GB, even in populated servers. That's another point...how about some benchmarks with ACTUAL demanding games, not these same ones loaded with fluffy FPS games all the time. My son can run COD on his i5 4690 and 1060 3GB at almost 100fps. Throw DCS, ANNO 1800 and the Division 2 at 1440p into the mix for once, then you'll see some of these ridiculously high frames come back down to earth.
Fully agree with you on this matter, I only see huge drops in performance if you using massive modded games like skyrim SE where you can put 8K graphics mods on it, which makes a 2080Ti start dropping frames insane fast or even stall.
I have my Skyrim SE setup that way several times and was hoping that the current power gpu where able to run it smooth but at 4K you clearly see the reality you have to lower much of the graphic settings to get it running smooth again. Hell even on 1440p it sometimes drops alot in performance when I steer my character at the most intense graphical places on the maps.
Sure with the increasing capabilities of the current gpus its most of the time running ok, but when I crank up to 4K you instant see the difference again. Things often stall or need time to load before showing. And that only because the graphics files are made in 8K res. So not even having to show them in real 8K at all.
 
Your wrong smaller memory modules do run better and are still recommended by factories themself as the best for overclocking,
Most overclockers I know prefer 1 or 2 slot dim configs maximum, several of them are on the top list with small size memory modules.
You hardly ever see one overclocking with 16 Gb of memory ever.
Yeah sure, Samsung B die is only available in 8GB modules and right now they have the highest freq there is. You are talking ddr3 era buddy.
 

Danny101

TS Evangelist
So is this correct? 4 slots/4 Dimms of 2-4GB = 8-16 GB @ Max/OC speed or 4 slots/2 Dimms of 2-8GB = 4-16GB = @ Max/OC speed. Any other configuration will likely not work?
 

ubronan

TS Rookie
Indeed you allways need exact same modules and speeds and size to get it working without problems. Going for large size memory modules is another ball game and different modules is a abolute no go if you want high speed.
If you use for instance a laptop or nuc with fixed speeds and do not expect super performance you can easily out in different sizes and will work ok but do not expect speed.
I myself use a i7 nuc with 12 Gb ram 1 s0dimm 4 Gb and 1 s0dimm 8 Gb and works well for this machine. But I admit it can not oc at all so it does not matter what you push into them as long the modules have similar cl speeds it will work
 

ubronan

TS Rookie
I actually try not to forget updating my database with these pc problems.
But because I am not paid for these things its only for myself, but often when I am somewhere to fix problems others pretty quickly seem to know I am by one close and jump in to get their problems quickly fixed for free as well.
So often filling reports becomes a problem, when many people are around babbling about anything.