At least 100 million PCs still run Windows 7, one year after support ended

seeprime

Posts: 554   +637
Microsoft doesn't sell support for Windows 7 after January 1, that support ends today. This isn't a service Microsoft will sell to anyone asking for it, only customers they know has incompetent leaders refusing to invest in IT safety. It isn't a service they're paying for, it's a penalty to force them off Windows 7.
I'm not sure where you get your information. Year two of the three year of extended support is now available to buy. AskWoody.com even has a link where Windows 10 Pro users can buy it. https://www.askwoody.com/2021/win7-esu-license-purchasing-now-open/
 

Nick_Knac

Posts: 17   +5
I know why Windows want me to upgrade, but I don't see why I would want to upgrade. W7 works perfectly well. It handles every thing I want do, more than adequately, it looks nice and is comprensible, it's quick, stable and I can't think of anything I want to do that I can't do on it. The only problem is that MS have stopped supporting their own excelent product to make customers buy their new, what a lot of folk think is, an inferior product. If after 5 years, withdrawing support, and generally threatening all sorts of mischeif they can only get 75% of a very captive market, they really need to ask their software guys what on earth they are doing? Seems most people are using W10 because they have to, not because they want to.
 

duckofdeath

Posts: 430   +579
I'm not sure where you get your information. Year two of the three year of extended support is now available to buy. AskWoody.com even has a link where Windows 10 Pro users can buy it. https://www.askwoody.com/2021/win7-esu-license-purchasing-now-open/

Extended Security Updates (ESU) Licensing.

That is not support. That is an expensive 2-year butt-saver for incompetent IT managers to stop skimping on security on their workplace tools.

Support is, "hi, we're developing this thing for Windows and experiencing an operating system issue. Please fix, thank you?". Support is over. From here on, organisations are paying expensively to get crucial security updates. Like, you know, the name says.
 

mark kram

Posts: 58   +14
You already know my qualifications!

I can stop all malware and ransomware from wrecking my Windows XP box

I have been doing so for the past 7 years "ONLINE" without a single problem

I can do it without any Microsoft security updates while running a full admin account online

That's all the qualifications I need

and you?

You cannot secure a fully updated copy of Windows 10 because Microsoft won't let you
Actually XP is so old that virus and malware writers leave it alone. They moved on long ago. I have an old laptop that uses IE4 and XP, that I've used with a router infrequently without trouble. My 10 year old home built desktop is running win 10 and I have no problem with it. I leave it running 24/7's and my active hours are 8am to 11pm, so it updates overnight. My wife's Surface charges overnight so its pretty common for it to update while in use. There is usually a dialog box requesting to update.
 

mark kram

Posts: 58   +14
10 has the smallest footprint out of any of the modern Windows OS's. It's also faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. This has been tested ad nauseam in his remained true.
Adding more memory is cheap and easy. You have to know what kind of memory stick your machine uses, so unplug it, pull a stick out, read the decal and replace with the same style but more memory. Complaining that win 10 uses too much memory means you don't know your way around a motherboard.
 

lazer

Posts: 386   +117
I bought my laptop with a new win8 on it. It was sooooo bad, it wouldn't work with my purchased programs. So I had it removed, (cost me money) and win7 installed. Runs great, my purchased programs all work great.
Why should anyone update to a crappy windows that not only spies on you, sends you commercials and is a beast to work with, when win7 is still working great.
M$ is a first class sales company that sells second class merchandise.....
(like office etc)
 

thelatestmodel

Posts: 203   +144
Why should anyone update to a crappy windows that not only spies on you, sends you commercials and is a beast to work with, when win7 is still working great.
M$ is a first class sales company that sells second class merchandise.....
(like office etc)

Patching security vulnerabilities and support for new hardware

That's really all it is
 

seeprime

Posts: 554   +637
Patching security vulnerabilities and support for new hardware

That's really all it is
Our shop has customers with 8 to 10 year old PC's that they use only occasionally. There is no need to upgrade to Windows 10 to support new hardware. 0patch keeps security patches coming. Only new hardware needs Windows 10 support for it, not the other way around.
 

lazer

Posts: 386   +117
Please tell me you’re being sarcastic
I have NEVER updated my win7 and will not. I have antivirus and it keeps me clean. I don't browse strange sites.
I have NEVER had any problem with win7.
as they say down south, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
 

comnut

Posts: 35   +14
I have NEVER updated my win7 and will not. I have antivirus and it keeps me clean. I don't browse strange sites.
I have NEVER had any problem with win7.
as they say down south, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

:) same here.. I have Avast that gives a lot of protection, even when I regularly go to dubious sites, and pale moon, with a good ad-blocker that locks out those stupid websites.. and also a good malware scanner..

I have decades of experience of removing pointless bits of win7, so no problems .. :D

"Security vulnerabilities? " LOLOL Pale Moon and various versions of FF are regularly updated, no problem!!
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,099   +3,258
I have NEVER updated my win7 and will not. I have antivirus and it keeps me clean. I don't browse strange sites.
I have NEVER had any problem with win7.
as they say down south, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
:) same here.. I have Avast that gives a lot of protection, even when I regularly go to dubious sites, and pale moon, with a good ad-blocker that locks out those stupid websites.. and also a good malware scanner..

I have decades of experience of removing pointless bits of win7, so no problems .. :D

"Security vulnerabilities? " LOLOL Pale Moon and various versions of FF are regularly updated, no problem!!
I have a stone that keeps away tigers.... I know it works because I’ve never been attacked by tigers....
 

seeprime

Posts: 554   +637
My PC sales and repair business has been around for 29 years now. My most recent grade was in Business 501 decades ago. So, I suppose I made it to the 17th grade?

I image customer PC's before installing Windows 10 from a USB stick. Those who want to stay on Windows 7 get 0patch client installed.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,979   +5,754
My PC sales and repair business has been around for 29 years now. My most recent grade was in Business 501 decades ago. So, I suppose I made it to the 17th grade?
Well, as I'm sure you're aware, I wasn't asking you that question. But, thanks for the heads up anyway. In fact, you have me beat, since I only went to 14th grade, but I did graduate.

The thing is, I mistakenly responded to that same post twice, with my first attempt being a bit more articulate. How I wound up on page 2 of this thread instead of the last page, I haven't a clue. Well, I will admit I'm getting a bit forgetful in my advanced years.:confused: :facepalm:
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,979   +5,754
I have a stone that keeps away tigers.... I know it works because I’ve never been attacked by tigers....
You know, the point behind Windows 10 is manifold:

1: To put behind them the embarrassment that was Windows 8.
2: To make more money by selling upgrades.
3: To herd people toward Windows 10, so they could cull salable customer data, along with inserting paths to their store.
4: To take steps toward closing their system to independent developers. (And IMO, develop an OS which ostensibly could become a subscription model, at some point in time).

To me, the practically forced implementation of Windows 10 has been little more than a cattle drive, by an offshore CEO skilled in bullying business tactics

Which unfortunately leads me to conclude, (judging by the demeanor, insults and content of your posts in this thread), that you're not a leader, but rather one of the loudest braying members of the herd.

BTW, the tiger's range, (and all it's sub species), is limited to mostly Asia, and to the best of my knowledge, none are found in North America much less Canada. Which indicates to me, there might be a better use for your, "tiger attack prevention rock", than to deter assaults by Panthera tigris.

Incidentally, tiger attacks have happened in Canada. However, you apparently have to import a tiger, own the tiger, and keep it on your own property before this is likely to happen:

 
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mark kram

Posts: 58   +14
Patching security vulnerabilities and support for new hardware

That's really all it is
Why should anyone update to a crappy windows that not only spies on you, sends you commercials and is a beast to work with, when win7 is still working great.
M$ is a first class sales company that sells second class merchandise.....

You have to know how to set up win10 so that you don't get commercials, and it does not spy on you. My win10 mimics win7. The mistake most people make is letting windows set itself up. I keep Cortana shut off and only allow Windows to use data that will make win10 better.
 

thelatestmodel

Posts: 203   +144
Why should anyone update to a crappy windows that not only spies on you, sends you commercials and is a beast to work with, when win7 is still working great.
M$ is a first class sales company that sells second class merchandise.....

You have to know how to set up win10 so that you don't get commercials, and it does not spy on you. My win10 mimics win7. The mistake most people make is letting windows set itself up. I keep Cortana shut off and only allow Windows to use data that will make win10 better.
Because eventually the old OS stops getting updated, and newly discovered security vulnerabilities don't get patched. That's the whole point of updates and patches. Eventually, you become exposed to something that isn't going to get fixed.
 

comnut

Posts: 35   +14
Why should anyone update to a crappy windows that not only spies on you, sends you commercials and is a beast to work with, when win7 is still working great.
M$ is a first class sales company that sells second class merchandise.....

You have to know how to set up win10 so that you don't get commercials, and it does not spy on you. My win10 mimics win7. The mistake most people make is letting windows set itself up. I keep Cortana shut off and only allow Windows to use data that will make win10 better.
And WHY should I have to do SO MUCH WORK, to make it ***Vaguely* as good?? and then the **daily** or more often 'important updates' that disturb my 'work flow' for hours at a time??
- and also have problems with something as BASIC as a sound river, print driver, etc,etc, etc......
I have a good AV and other security programs, and have extensive knowledge of the system, etc,etc....
 

comnut

Posts: 35   +14
Because eventually the old OS stops getting updated, and newly discovered security vulnerabilities don't get patched. That's the whole point of updates and patches. Eventually, you become exposed to something that isn't going to get fixed.
ER!! it's an OLD system, no more updates, no more patches, and even the 'hackers' don't bother, or are young enough to not know about it!!! :D :D

It looks like I am with 'captaincranky' :) If it works, DON'T fix it!!!

Consider the 'automobile' -- first was 1769, gasoline in 1885.. Electric cars have been around since the early 1900's.. not much has changed...
 
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totto2222

Posts: 20   +16
I loved reading all the different opinions,both pro and con.
in my own case,I will say that I will live with what I can control and that would be windows 7.
I have 5 puters in my house,3 on 10 2on 7 and I will take win 7 every time as I have devoted years to learn and trouble shoot it.
windows 10 supporters biggest pro is security,but in order to semi-control 10
I have to shut off or cripple many functions of 10 to have even a glimpse of stability,ergo there goes the security benefits.
I will continue to run weekly backups and also rely on my cloned drives safely stored away for my security as well as updated browsers and anti virus.
ms only goal is to make as much money as possible,hence,everyone on same os=fewer employees / no quality testers /broken updates / patches to fix patches to fix patches.
I want my computer to run programs not slimmed down apps,run when I tell it to, and communicate with whom I let it.
when you agreed to ms terms and gave the consent to anything on your system you basically agreed that its now ms's computer and not yours .
so,basically if I get hacked it was my own fault,but I feel secure in the knowledge that I can pop out the drives in 10 minutes and continue as if nothing happened
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,099   +3,258
I will continue to run weekly backups and also rely on my cloned drives safely stored away for my security as well as updated browsers and anti virus.
Except you won't be able to update browsers forever on Windows 7, as they won't be supported... nor will your antivirus... eventually, you'll need Win 10...