Australia passes surveillance bill that lets police take over accounts, alter, and delete...

Darth Shiv

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While they're 'right wing' in the sense of being to the right of the only other major party and they tend to sometimes be in favour of lowering taxes, the whole party is basically equivalent to RINOs in the US.

They're conservative in an economic sense only, and are otherwise completely trigger happy in implementing federal power grabs, expanding the surveillance/police state, reducing civil liberties and not giving a stuff about citizens' rights or freedoms

There is no bill of rights in Australia, and citizens have no protection from the boot of government other than by way of laws that can be changed at any moment by that very same government.....

This is EXACTLY what you get when people expect the government to solve all of the problems, because in Australia that's what both sides of politics have always done. The LNP in Australia have been no less predisposed to push for big-daddy-government solutions to things than Labor are
Rubbish. LNP literally are in favour of abolishing all Federal/public service responsibility other than dogwhistling racist stuff like immigration and being heavy handed on legal. They are corrupt owned-by-lobbyist junk. They have no interest in their proper roles and responsibilities. Half their actual work is distributing public funds to lobbyist private companies.
 

Julio Franco

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Thanks for bringing it to our attention, we won't embed PDFs like that anymore unless strictly necessary. Other popular embeds (youtube, twitter) we actually use custom wrappers so they aren't downloaded unless acted upon so be more efficient for readers, especially on mobile devices.
 

mrvco

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I feel bad for the people of Australia. That country has become the western world's petri dish for those developing the western world's version of the seemingly and increasingly inevitable dystopian future.
 

maxxcool7421

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Shifting the power to decide what is okay to post, from the big tech companies to local police....

I'm not sure which is better.

Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are all *private* companies that can and are allowed to do what ever they want with your data. The are not federally funded .. and *You agreed to this when you signed up.*

Even the overflowing toilet bowls Parler and Telegram take down posts that the owners do not like.
 

ZedRM

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Thanks for bringing it to our attention, we won't embed PDFs like that anymore unless strictly necessary. Other popular embeds (youtube, twitter) we actually use custom wrappers so they aren't downloaded unless acted upon so be more efficient for readers, especially on mobile devices.
Ah, so it was an embedded code thing. Seemed like it was being done deliberately. Wasn't questioning the intentions, as pdf documents can often be very informative and useful. Just the automatic nature which can cause problems for some viewers and could potentially be a security issue. Thank You for the clarity.
 

Neatfeatguy

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Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are all *private* companies that can and are allowed to do what ever they want with your data. The are not federally funded .. and *You agreed to this when you signed up.*

Even the overflowing toilet bowls Parler and Telegram take down posts that the owners do not like.

Henceforth:

Shifting the power to decide what is okay to post, from the big tech companies to local police....

I'm not sure which is better.
 

bandit8623

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As an Australian, first hearing about this bill a) after it has already passed, and b) on an American tech news website, is pretty concerning. Absolutely none of our local major media outlets have reported anything whatsoever regarding this bill, with the sole exception of Sky News. Zip else. This is clearly being suppressed by local media outlets
this is bad
 

Markoni35

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As an Australian, first hearing about this bill a) after it has already passed, and b) on an American tech news website, is pretty concerning. Absolutely none of our local major media outlets have reported anything whatsoever regarding this bill, with the sole exception of Sky News. Zip else. This is clearly being suppressed by local media outlets

Oh, nooooo, how can you say this? Now you'll be accused of wearing a classy reflective hat made of tin foil, believing in conspiracies, and all those attributes that people who see the truth get decorated with.

You don't really believe media would hide important information from you (and everyone else), and replace it with cheap entertainment, right? I wonder if extra anti-covid measures were introduced recently in Australia, to shift the focus of people from an important invisible enemy, to a less important and much weaker invisible enemy.
 

Markoni35

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NSA, CIA, FBI, and all of the other alphabet-agencies would have all kinds of **** on politicians and decision makers, that's precisely how they continue to get their way on everything

Funny that you said alphabet-agencies, because I know of one corporation that also has Alphabet in their name, that probably knows more about everyone than all the government agencies combined together. They know a lot about members of those agencies as well.

And what's worse, they are just a private company. Which outsource their workforce. So, you really don't know who is working for them, and where, and who has access to your data.

That's how they get away with everything. They know too much info about politicians, CEOs of other corporations and all the influential people on the planet.
 

Ludak021

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I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but they will ONLY do it if you've committed a crime. They will not do it for no reason.

As far as they are concerned, everyone has committed at least one crime and now they are going to find out what that crime is ;)
 

Grok451

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I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but they will ONLY do it if you've committed a crime. They will not do it for no reason.
Ummm, reread the article:
The Australian Greens Party's website warns that police can do this without formally accusing a person of a crime. "The Richardson review concluded that this bill enables the AFP and ACIC to be 'judge, jury, and executioner.' That's not how we deliver justice in this country." said Greens senator Lidia Thorpe.
 

Darth Shiv

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The main person responsible for these surveillance laws, Peter Dutton, is a RW former police detective who is extremely authoritarian. This is not the first time he has pushed these powers. He was also narrowly defeated in a leadership challenge.

Prior to last election, he pushed a notorious IT bill known as the AA Bill. This bill allows the Govt to request backdoor access to any IT service and the employee or whoever they compel must do it or be jailed/fined very heavily AND not disclose the backdoor or data release.

Labor, the other major party, refuses to stick their necks out on these laws and will vote with the Govt on national security and immigration simply to not be wedged by fear campaigns at the election. Same for tax reform. They just roll over every time.
 

bobc4012

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Lets just wait until the people who passed this bill are being abused by it. Imagine the damage a hacker could do by getting into and abusing police systems.

Imagine police offers going to jail from other police officers investigating them. This will be imteresting to watch for sure.
Better yet, let your members of Parliament who passed the bill get hacked and set up for jail time. Watch how quick it will be revoked. Especially if files of the "worst kind" (ala Hunter) are found on their laptops, Desktops, etc.
 

bobc4012

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As an Australian, first hearing about this bill a) after it has already passed, and b) on an American tech news website, is pretty concerning. Absolutely none of our local major media outlets have reported anything whatsoever regarding this bill, with the sole exception of Sky News. Zip else. This is clearly being suppressed by local media outlets
And if Sky News gets the same treatment as Fox News does in the US - accused of spreading the truth more often than not as false news to cover up the real news.
 

bobc4012

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NSA, CIA, FBI, and all of the other alphabet-agencies would have all kinds of **** on politicians and decision makers, that's precisely how they continue to get their way on everything
True, but there a select few politicians who make sure the heads of those "alphabet agencies" are toeing the line and supporting their party.
 

bobc4012

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In other words, they can do what they want to people online, and we're just supposed to believe they are targeting to worst of the worst.
Nothing stopping them from fabricating evidence and jailing anyone opposing the New World Order.
This has NOTHING to do with justice.
Is it the NWO or the CCP who has its fingers gripping things everywhere. If people really knew the truth, there would be a real uprising. One example, the CCP owns a good chunk of the chicken and pork industry in the US amongst other industries, of which, people are not aware.
 

bobc4012

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I feel confident that police and intellligence "services" have been doing this for a long time on a big scale, with or without just cause. The only difference is that now evidence gathered in this manner can be used in a court. Before, they had to find some other charges before they could formally take someone to court...
Now they can plant them on your system and your @$$ is grass and they are the lawn mower.
 

bobc4012

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While they're 'right wing' in the sense of being to the right of the only other major party and they tend to sometimes be in favour of lowering taxes, the whole party is basically equivalent to RINOs in the US.

They're conservative in an economic sense only, and are otherwise completely trigger happy in implementing federal power grabs, expanding the surveillance/police state, reducing civil liberties and not giving a stuff about citizens' rights or freedoms

There is no bill of rights in Australia, and citizens have no protection from the boot of government other than by way of laws that can be changed at any moment by that very same government.....

This is EXACTLY what you get when people expect the government to solve all of the problems, because in Australia that's what both sides of politics have always done. The LNP in Australia have been no less predisposed to push for big-daddy-government solutions to things than Labor are
Sounds more like the far left in the US than even the RINOs in the US, who don't object when the left has control and passes such crap. The stuff I have read about what is happening down there is more akin to Soros than Murdock. The game played by the lefties is to accuse your opponents of being guilty as to what you are doing, knowing the MSM has your back and will not expose your lies.
 

Darth Shiv

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Better yet, let your members of Parliament who passed the bill get hacked and set up for jail time. Watch how quick it will be revoked. Especially if files of the "worst kind" (ala Hunter) are found on their laptops, Desktops, etc.
You don't know the Australian Govt very well. The current Govt is completely untouchable. Traditionally the Federal Govt honoured westminster principles. If they did something "unbefitting" their station, they would resign (essentially in disgrace). This current party will not resign any post basically under any circumstances. The Libs have control of the Supreme Court and several state courts. They obstruct investigations into their own (bury them). They hold inquiries into corruption and stall them indefinitely and all investigation matters and findings are kept confidential.

Only way to correct is a Federal anti-corruption body with retrospective powers. This current Govt won't pass such legislation despite promising to at least create the body years ago now. Needs Govt change.
 

Darth Shiv

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Sounds more like the far left in the US than even the RINOs in the US, who don't object when the left has control and passes such crap. The stuff I have read about what is happening down there is more akin to Soros than Murdock. The game played by the lefties is to accuse your opponents of being guilty as to what you are doing, knowing the MSM has your back and will not expose your lies.
The private media in Australia is largely supportive of the RW because they are financially motivated. The RW party is pro large business, tax cuts for business and are also quite malicious against organisations that don't play ball.
Seven, 9, Murdoch press (over 70% of all print media last I checked) very pro Murdoch. Channel 10 more middle. ABC the public broadcaster is run now by a LNP appointed chair.
So make up what you like to make yourself feel like you understand things. But that is complete rubbish. Not remotely close to Australian situation at all.
 

Neatfeatguy

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Oh snap!

First they come out about allowing police to access online data when they want, where they want, however they want and doing with it anything they want with....

Now conspiracy folks are jumping on a "New World Order" after an official from Australia uses the phrase at a press conference.

Here are a couple links that cover the info:


What is going on down under there, mates?