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You realize people pay for libraries right?

It’s one of the better uses of taxation but it’s basically a charity for people that can’t afford books. Paying for someone else’s books has a societal benefit, less so with games, and even less so with Ferarris (earlier comment reference).
Yes, I used to work at a library, and we would buy books, media, etc., from government funding. People from all walks of life would borrow books; it is customary, encouraged, not thought of as a charity. Rather, the library is a cornerstone of the community.

The library's mandate is to provide access to information to the public for free: hence, free internet access and wifi as well. Since libraries provide fictional entertainment too, both written and on optical media, games would fall under the same category.
 
It's not a justification, nor am I trying to justify it. Rather, there is more to this picture than black and white.
No it’s very black and white, pay for it or don’t use it.
What do you think of a library-like system for the public? In the manner of books and films.
You mean the ones you pay for with taxes and need a membership for? Sounds kinda like a pass for books, a defacto subscription, you could call it “BookPass”
 
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Yes, I used to work at a library, and we would buy books, media, etc., from government funding. People from all walks of life would borrow books; it is customary, encouraged, not thought of as a charity. Rather, the library is a cornerstone of the community.

The library's mandate is to provide access to information to the public for free: hence, free internet access and wifi as well. Since libraries provide fictional entertainment too, both written and on optical media, games would fall under the same category.
Yes, yes, it's universally held to be a societal benefit (and I agree with that) but it is (forced) charity. The free stuff, building, and employees are funded by money taken from other people (usually property owners in the US).

Now, I both fund and use libraries - and I see them as one of a few true examples of taxing for the common good. BUT it isn't a magic place that makes any free stuff automatically a societal good. Few people will argue with a part of their paycheck going to let poor kids read. But change that to funding poor kids playing all the latest video games and you will have less universal support.

(Where you are probably getting tripped up is that games are similar to the movies offered in most libraries, but the truth is that free movies are also a stretch for societal benefit and exist more because taxpayers don't pay that close attention to smaller budget items than the fact that most people feel everyone has a right to free movies.)
 
Yes, yes, it's universally held to be a societal benefit (and I agree with that) but it is (forced) charity. The free stuff, building, and employees are funded by money taken from other people (usually property owners in the US).

Now, I both fund and use libraries - and I see them as one of a few true examples of taxing for the common good. BUT it isn't a magic place that makes any free stuff automatically a societal good. Few people will argue with a part of their paycheck going to let poor kids read. But change that to funding poor kids playing all the latest video games and you will have less universal support.

(Where you are probably getting tripped up is that games are similar to the movies offered in most libraries, but the truth is that free movies are also a stretch for societal benefit and exist more because taxpayers don't pay that close attention to smaller budget items than the fact that most people feel everyone has a right to free movies.)
While that's true, when we can pull $300B out of our asses go give money to Iran or any of the other hundreds of billions we give to ransom countries every year, I don't want to hear the money isn't there. And I know Iran ened up not getting the money, but that isn't the point.

The US has a budgeting issue, but we could finance every library in the US for the next 20 years for what we have spent in the middle east this year so far. But here is the thing about libraries, they dont really get federal funding. In my home state of PA, most of the funding comes from the state and county level. In my home city of Pittsburgh, the Carnegie library system gets most of its funding from the Carnegie museums and theaters and actually doesn't require state funds at all, but it receives it anyway because it provides other services for things like social services, getting bus passes, job placement, housing services and connecting you with food banks. So whatever money goes into our libraries gets paid back significantly with things like helping with higher education and getting better jobs. So, yes, we pay taxes for something that is generally good for the public, but it's really an investment that boosts the local economy.
 
Yes, yes, it's universally held to be a societal benefit (and I agree with that) but it is (forced) charity. The free stuff, building, and employees are funded by money taken from other people (usually property owners in the US).

Now, I both fund and use libraries - and I see them as one of a few true examples of taxing for the common good. BUT it isn't a magic place that makes any free stuff automatically a societal good. Few people will argue with a part of their paycheck going to let poor kids read. But change that to funding poor kids playing all the latest video games and you will have less universal support.

(Where you are probably getting tripped up is that games are similar to the movies offered in most libraries, but the truth is that free movies are also a stretch for societal benefit and exist more because taxpayers don't pay that close attention to smaller budget items than the fact that most people feel everyone has a right to free movies.)
I concede that providing free games—or movies—is not necessarily a societal good and will meet with opposition. One can imagine the cries: "We won't pay for those kids to be exposed to violence! Bloody hell, what is society coming to!"

However, to call libraries a charity is a mischaracterisation. Indeed, it is the first time I've heard the term used. Let's go back to the foundation, stripping away the free stuff and media, leaving only books. Libraries are, in essence, storehouses of information. Libraries of antiquity archived works found nowhere else, and scholars made journeys to use them. Later, circulating libraries provided books, chiefly fiction, a booming business with the great Victorian writers, and these came at a cost. In the 20th century, we saw the rise of the government-funded public library. People are most familiar with lending libraries. Parallel to these are the reference libraries, closer in spirit to the libraries of antiquity and mostly frequented by students and scholars.

Fundamentally, today's libraries provide information to the public without a paywall—a key enabler of democracy; if the public hasn't got access to all information, they can't make sound decisions regarding government; it is akin to censorship. At a simpler level, libraries are central places of community, not solely the resort of poor children (who, indeed, are often a fraction of the patron population). Affluent children make full use of the storytelling, books, and activity weeks. I don't know how libraries are viewed in the US, but certainly elsewhere, they are held in esteem, as houses of knowledge, learning, and peace. Students spend their entire day there because of the tranquil atmosphere. The elderly love to chat with the staff, many having no one else to talk to. Take away the local library and it will be a blow to a community.
 
So whatever money goes into our libraries gets paid back significantly with things like helping with higher education and getting better jobs. So, yes, we pay taxes for something that is generally good for the public, but it's really an investment that boosts the local economy.
Yes, the little invested into libraries pays society back many times over.
 
Believe it when I see it. After Starfailed, I don't have a lot of hope from Bugthesda. The Outworlds and Avowed didn't exactly wow me from Obsidian either.
 
I know I'm in the minority, but I like Fallout3 the most. Never finished New Vegas or F4. Something about a sandbox, I lose interest. I need to feel some sort of narrative tension or there needs to be a bad guy I really want to stick it to. After I killed Mr. House I didn't really know what to do next. And in F4, I didn't want to kill my own son so I just left the institute and uninstalled. IDK. Mechanics are important yes, but I need to hate something, lol.
 
You know I bought a couple of remasters and instantly regretted it. My problem is I get bored because I remember the vast majority of the original, and I'm not enough of a fan boy to get all excited considering the update is mostly graphical. Want to get me excited? Remaster some of the 8/16 bit classics like Ultima 4 with modern graphics and game play...
 
Looking at game released in the past 3 or more years, they are getting increasingly poor quality due to poor story and gameplay. Big developers are really just hiding poor quality games behind established and popular game titles, and overlaying it with "fancier graphics" that is buggy and performs poorly. The other issue is that even if the developer is well known in the past, the people that are focus on delivering good quality games are probably gone. The developer is basically just a shell run by execs that only focus on getting the product out quick to make money. Fun games are probably tertiary or further down the priority chain. So if people are expecting a good new Fallout game, they should probably manage their own expectations. Look at Starfield for example, not sure if that is even a good game.
 
I played Fallout 3 back in the day after around 50 ini tweaks. I have fond memories.

Beth. games often have annoying bugs, so I'll wait for reviews. If it gets praised it's a sure buy for me.

Fallout 4 was good too (again after mods, and manual tweaks.)

Fallout 76 - I felt they lost the plot. Didn't like it at all. Probably no more then 10 hours in total. Paid full price too, still in my Steam library, but I wont' ever be re-installing that one.

Finally Fallout Las Vegas was very good too. Many people say it's their favourite. Played that after Fallout 3, but didn't spend much time modding, tweaking it. After many many hours in FO3 I should have waited a while. FO3 is my favourite.

BTW: just as with Skyrim, manual tweaking of the ini files can result in far far superior graphics. No mods used. I love tweaking myself. Ini files are easy after learning what the lines mean, and testing how far it can be pushed. Pretty darn far - if you have the time and are into that kind of thing.

Edit: I have the Oblivion re-make, restarted it twice but never got past the character creation screen. I'll reserve judgement on that, but seems the review etc are mixed.

Is it tweakable manually (don't like nexus mods)? Anyone tweaked or modded it?

Edit 2: With the old FO3 game, the max settings via the annoying launcher are like, "low," compared to a well tweaked set of ini files. Need to bypass the launcher except for the first launch. Don't remember how I did that, but if memory serves the unnecessary launcher can revert stuff and generally mess up hard work with ini files. Back up originals and all tweaked versions - goes without saying, oh and set to "read only."
 
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You know I bought a couple of remasters and instantly regretted it. My problem is I get bored because I remember the vast majority of the original, and I'm not enough of a fan boy to get all excited considering the update is mostly graphical. Want to get me excited? Remaster some of the 8/16 bit classics like Ultima 4 with modern graphics and game play...
Good point, me too. I make a few rare exceptions. Oblivion was one, and FO3 maybe depending on many things...

The only others were the (forget the name) Halo package which included all 4 main games.
That really was worth it.
 
What's more fun than reading the article and talking about the content presented? Watching the plebs argue with each other politics that have nothing at all to do with the topic of the article. Yup! Very amusing! _rolls_eyes_
 
Fallout 5. That's all I needed to hear.
Making the same mistake they did with TES:VI announcement. Showing essentially nothing back in 2018 and now it's 2026 and it doesn't look like it will land before 2028. Perhaps even later.

For FO5 they didn't even both coming up with a fake teaser trailer and they wont start working on until TES:VI ships, so... 2040 for FO5?
If they even exist at that point.

Unless it's entirely outsourced to a 3rd party studio because they cant start development on FO5 while still haven't been able to finish TES:VI.
 
Making the same mistake they did with TES:VI announcement. Showing essentially nothing back in 2018 and now it's 2026 and it doesn't look like it will land before 2028. Perhaps even later.

For FO5 they didn't even both coming up with a fake teaser trailer and they wont start working on until TES:VI ships, so... 2040 for FO5?
If they even exist at that point.

Unless it's entirely outsourced to a 3rd party studio because they cant start development on FO5 while still haven't been able to finish TES:VI.
Sadly, you are probably right. Not at all excited anymore....😞
 
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