Actually, Bill's been talking about preparedness since 2015; we weren't prepared then, and we aren't prepared now.
Bill Gates on Coronavirus: The US did not act fast enough to avoid a shutdown
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I couldn't agree with you more. Bill's been helping this planet out more than any other capitalist. I don't see any of the other tech magnates doing anything other than to serve themselves (for the most part).
How do you know he couldn't get WIn8 right, do you use it? He actually understands this stuff more than most, especially those at the Hill.
cliffordcooley
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And that is somehow supposed to make his greed over the decades all better. There is not an eye roll emoji large enough to fit this instance.
Time for you to get on the bus and face it; that you are living in a capitalist country. If you don't like capitalism/greed, move on. BTW, it's pathetic to see anyone jealous of others' successes.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Gluttony goes far beyond success. I have nothing against success. You don't seem to understand how many underneath have to bleed to give him such success. I'm apposed to the extent of bleeding it took.
Str8Shot
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+1000 people died from the Swine Flu before Obama reacted, and Fauci was then still part of that administration.
from your snopes quote:
Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China.
But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration. And as the CDC told FactCheck.org, the cuts were ultimately avoided because Congress provided other funding.
As for the firings mentioned, if you notice, the guy actively seeking access to the President, John Bolton, was fired later on.
Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded
Setting aside, the United States paying for CDC efforts in China, people tend to ignore the rest of what is going on. Three years of Trump's Administration has been undermined and sabotaged in the midst of being falsely accused of treason, even by some people who actively committed the crimes he was accused of. You, and others here, keep expecting one man to sort through all the lies and misdirection from the press, the Congress, career civil servants, and the intel community, for the basic truths of a country full of problems and make accurate up-to-the-minute decisions on everything while attempting to create a staff from embedded career adminstrators with their own agendas.
If you're going to make citizen accusations about political subjects, please look at all sides of the politics. Any Administration is only as good as the people that inhabit it and those career peoples' success in the politics of civil service (politics is what is required to be in an Administration or monarchy) Civil Service success is not predicated on being the "best in the industry". The best go into private sector where there is lots and lots more money. The rest remain "in public service" for good or bad.
I disagreed strongly about what was said about Wuhan Coronavirus by the President and posters here, especially considering the anomalous no contact spread points both in China and in the US, but what you are seeing now is the result of an unknown worst case scenario and the Chinese Emperor Xi blatantly lying. Do you honestly thing Bill Gates, the President, or anyone outside of the politburos wanted to shut down the economy of the United States, put 3.3 million people out of work, spend 10% of the entire national debt in one funding bill, and shut down all trade in the world to contain what was, in January and February, and is still called a "slightly more deadly than the flu" virus? You are acting like they knew it would be this before and then chose not to react. Please gain a sense of perspective on what has occurred.
bexwhitt
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when one person can infect 50,000 in ten steps Huston we have a problem. Regardless how deadly it is a percentage need hospital treatment to survive. The availability of treatment is not infinite too many ill leads to collapse.
Don't quote false things. Trump's administration has been clearly spreading lies and deceit just so they can shift the blame. They should just man up, admit guilt and push forward.
Do some fact checking before you quote such stuff because people will just laugh at you.
Let me give you a proper quote:
"The Obama administration started to address H1N1 just as the disease emerged in April 2009. A public health emergency was declared on April 26, 2009, when there were about 20 confirmed cases in the United States."
Source: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-wait-swine-flu-n1h1/
Obama addressing the public in April:
Let's not beat around the bush here. It is very important that the US handles the outbreak as well as it can so that global resources don't get strained more than they should have to. The US should have the production capability of essential medical equipment to help other nations that are already past the point of no return (not for free, just the correct price).
The situation in Europe is pretty dire right now. I'm just afraid that the US has already passed the threshold and we'll see the same or a bigger tragedy than the one that struck Europe. I've only gone out of my home once a week to purchase food and other essentials for the past 3 weeks as the situation in Romania is clearly getting worse and worse.
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amstech
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You didnt describe capitalism, you described corruption. You cannot legislate the poor into wealth, by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
IMO, it is well past time to employ the 25th amendment with Trump. Why his sock puppets do not do so is a mystery that may befuddle the mind of many US citizens and historians for centuries to come.
Fauci is the only one who is willing to stand up to Trump ATM and speak reason. All his other a$$ kissers (aka, advisors) just continue to kiss his a$$.
Unfortunately, Trump is a stable genius (because he told us so) and will likely fire Fauci for someone willing to kiss his a$$ - the ever revolving door of the so called advisors to this administration and particularly the clueless Trump.
Trump and Gates, with their over-inflated sense of ego, are alike in this case. Trump, IMO, is far worse than Gates will ever be.
Fauci is the only one who is willing to stand up to Trump ATM and speak reason. All his other a$$ kissers (aka, advisors) just continue to kiss his a$$.
Unfortunately, Trump is a stable genius (because he told us so) and will likely fire Fauci for someone willing to kiss his a$$ - the ever revolving door of the so called advisors to this administration and particularly the clueless Trump.
Trump and Gates, with their over-inflated sense of ego, are alike in this case. Trump, IMO, is far worse than Gates will ever be.
Trump: Don't worry, it will all be fine
Also Trump: I knew this would be a pandemic
Trump: People with mild symptoms of the coronavirus can go to work and they will get better
Also Trump: I never said people with the coronavirus should go to work
Trump: The Obama administration put in a regulation that was blocking testing. We removed that rule
Reality: There was no rule. The only rule was made by the Trump administration, which Trump then removed
POTUS Trump is a pathological liar. You can defend him all you like but he still lies to the American people and the world regularly. He lies so much that he cannot keep his story straight for more than a few days.
I get why he does it. He lies in order to protect the US economy and stock prices. He downplayed the virus as much as possible for the first few weeks in order to protect the DOW and to keep people in jobs. That motivation is commendable. But don't lie in order to achieve it. And don't blame others to try to improve your own ratings. That's just pathetic.
As for Bill Gates' comments that the US was not prepared, I think no country is prepared for this because no country wants to "waste" money preparing for something that might not happen. But once it is happening, once it has crippled other countries and is clearly heading for yours, what do you do? Do you consult with your experts (Trump had fired most of them), put emergency measures in place, step up and inform your citizens of what the plan is? Or do you lie and tell America that there are 15 cases in the US and it will soon be zero (Feb 26)? Today there are 85,991 cases (highest in the world) with 1296 dead (6th highest in the world).
Also Trump: I knew this would be a pandemic
Trump: People with mild symptoms of the coronavirus can go to work and they will get better
Also Trump: I never said people with the coronavirus should go to work
Trump: The Obama administration put in a regulation that was blocking testing. We removed that rule
Reality: There was no rule. The only rule was made by the Trump administration, which Trump then removed
POTUS Trump is a pathological liar. You can defend him all you like but he still lies to the American people and the world regularly. He lies so much that he cannot keep his story straight for more than a few days.
I get why he does it. He lies in order to protect the US economy and stock prices. He downplayed the virus as much as possible for the first few weeks in order to protect the DOW and to keep people in jobs. That motivation is commendable. But don't lie in order to achieve it. And don't blame others to try to improve your own ratings. That's just pathetic.
As for Bill Gates' comments that the US was not prepared, I think no country is prepared for this because no country wants to "waste" money preparing for something that might not happen. But once it is happening, once it has crippled other countries and is clearly heading for yours, what do you do? Do you consult with your experts (Trump had fired most of them), put emergency measures in place, step up and inform your citizens of what the plan is? Or do you lie and tell America that there are 15 cases in the US and it will soon be zero (Feb 26)? Today there are 85,991 cases (highest in the world) with 1296 dead (6th highest in the world).
cliffordcooley
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I love how you are putting our failure on Trump. Each and every one of us that traveled bears responsibility. Each state has a Governor for a reason. But yet for some reason it is all Trumps fault.
Obviously, it is not all Trump's fault. IMO, his "help" is rare. He pretends to be an expert (because he thinks he is (similarly to Bill Gates, IMO)) when he is far from such, and as I see it, this just demonstrates that his ego, rather than the infinitely more important trait - wisdom, rules him. He is also still sowing division when we need unity. To me, these are not the signs of a capable leader by any stretch of the imagination.
And for those who still think that this is no worse than the flu - https://www.zmescience.com/other/pieces/is-covid-19-worse-than-the-flu/
I'm not sure if that was directed at me but I'm not saying that Trump alone is a failure for letting the coronavirus into the country or for how it has spread. I'm saying he's a failure at being a leader. In what he says and how he says it. In how he chooses to behave and in who he chooses to blame. Instead of giving good advice and leading by example, he was too busy downplaying it, comparing it to a normal flu and blaming the Democrats for spreading fake news. This is his MO. This is how he deals with everything: spread conflicting information and blame the other guys when things go wrong but claim responsibility for anything that looks good. I'm sorry for saying it. He'd be a likeable guy if he was hosting a TV-show or managing a pub. But it's a terrible quality for someone who was elected to run a country that consists of more than rich Republicans with good healthcare.
Do you know who else is a bad leader? Boris Johnson gave a televised press conference where he said that, not only is it ok to shake hands with people, but that we should be doing it. He said that he went to a hospital and made a point of shaking hands with everyone there. Do you know where he is now? He's working from home as he has tested positive for coronavirus.
This is the same Boris Johnson who was critcised by other European countries for being so slow to react to the virus and who then went on to criticise America for being so slow to react. That's how far behind the curve America is.
Oh, and perhaps I was too harsh in saying that the US has the highest number of cases. Of course it would, lots of people live there. When accounting for the number of cases per capita, the US is only the 6th highest in the world.
I hope this virus fizzles out soon or we're all in trouble. Both in personal health and in economic health. Let's hope we learn something from it.
10thDmenxn
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President Trump has done MORE than any other leader on the planet to fight this outbreak. He inherited a depleted stockpile, as the Obama Admin NEVER replenished it after H1N1. So he had to fight that. Then the entire democRAT party and media have politicized this from day one, he's had to fight that. China released it, covered it for month's, arrested doctors who tried to expose it to the world, made them sign confessions and finally killed them. He had to deal with that. Yet, America has tested more people than any other nation, and has a better death rate, meaning smaller, than any other main country with huge populations. China has recently been caught refusing to test anymore, and burning the bodies of the newly dead to cover it up. They expelled journalist and have lied about EVERYTHING!!! They also knew about it all the way back in October. Here are a few important pics:
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Jimster480
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Funny that he takes potshots when the president closed down borders and the media was calling him a racist.
As he warned people to be careful they said he was "doing nothing" and "being xenophobic". Biden and sanders came out and slandered him further; reinforcing the same logic and saying "they would never close the borders".
SO Trump acted against the advise of everyone; was burned for it and now people want to take potshots? NYC mayor and health board leader were literally telling people to "live it up" and "go to parades and restaurants and large gatherings" and basically said the virus was "a racist ourburst by the president".
Now that they are the center of the problem its trump's fault again? So when he warns people its his fault, when he closes the border its his fault, when he said its not a big deal right now its also his fault. So basically no matter what he does it will be his fault because people cannot take responsibility for their own actions?
Combine that with the fact that the left in the USA is holding the country hostage to get funding for their special interest groups and trying to sign new green deal ploys into law in exchange for aid.... and we have the show that is going on today.
As he warned people to be careful they said he was "doing nothing" and "being xenophobic". Biden and sanders came out and slandered him further; reinforcing the same logic and saying "they would never close the borders".
SO Trump acted against the advise of everyone; was burned for it and now people want to take potshots? NYC mayor and health board leader were literally telling people to "live it up" and "go to parades and restaurants and large gatherings" and basically said the virus was "a racist ourburst by the president".
Now that they are the center of the problem its trump's fault again? So when he warns people its his fault, when he closes the border its his fault, when he said its not a big deal right now its also his fault. So basically no matter what he does it will be his fault because people cannot take responsibility for their own actions?
Combine that with the fact that the left in the USA is holding the country hostage to get funding for their special interest groups and trying to sign new green deal ploys into law in exchange for aid.... and we have the show that is going on today.
10thDmenxn
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Here is proof they have been developing this since 2007!!!! Pay attention to the date at the top, and the words in the lower right-hand column:President Trump has done MORE than any other leader on the planet to fight this outbreak. He inherited a depleted stockpile, as the Obama Admin NEVER replenished it after H1N1. So he had to fight that. Then the entire democRAT party and media have politicized this from day one, he's had to fight that. China released it, covered it for month's, arrested doctors who tried to expose it to the world, made them sign confessions and finally killed them. He had to deal with that. Yet, America has tested more people than any other nation, and has a better death rate, meaning smaller, than any other main country with huge populations. China has recently been caught refusing to test anymore, and burning the bodies of the newly dead to cover it up. They expelled journalist and have lied about EVERYTHING!!! They also knew about it all the way back in October. Here are a few important pics:
10thDmenxn
Posts: 86 +55
This is absolutely correct! I have videos to prove it. If President Trump didn't ban travel from China almost immediately, many more thousands of people would have died. He also banned travel shortly there after from Europe! His unpredictability is why the left can't seem to beat him. He does what they think he would NEVER do. Just like his releasing of the phone call with Ukraine. They NEVER thought he'd release it, as it's never been done. China NEVER thought he's stop travel from China or Europe. But he did. So that gave us a HUGE step up on fighting this thing. Also, the speed at which we are manufacturing test kits, and equipment for use, is nothing short of amazing!!! America will always win, because of who we are.
Evernessince
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Facts say otherwise
"On April 15, 2009, the first infection was identified in California, according to the CDC, and less than two weeks later, on April 26, 2009, the Obama administration declared a public health emergency. The day before, on April 25, the World Health Organization had declared a public health emergency. "
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin - FactCheck.org
In tweets and other appearances, President Donald Trump has repeatedly compared his response to the new coronavirus with President Barack Obama’s handling of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic. But Trump’s information is frequently incorrect or misleading -- and the two viruses are very different.
www.factcheck.org
Please do cite your source. As it stands right now, your argument is nothing more than conjecture.
Only the president has the power to declare a national health emergency, to secure mass amounts of medical equipment, to control the engineer corps, ect.
Ultimately it is the federal government alone that has the power to put a ton of resources behind quashing a pandemic. Many states like NY have already been doing everything they possiblely can and yet Trump denied them additional ventilators and access to more medical supplies for doctors.
Not to mention the epic press bungling. So yes, in many ways this is directly Trump's fault.
Sure you could blame people for their poor individual efforts but in fact their effect is less than a millionth that the president has and thus it makes sense to focus on the biggest issue.
None of which is true. You read the top 5 fake news posts on facebook essentially and now are spreading them here.
There is literally a fact check ON FACEBOOK calling the green new deal policies in the corona bill false.
"However, the bill does not include language on tax credits for solar and wind energy. "
Trump ad mostly right on what’s in Pelosi coronavirus bill
As President Donald Trump’s negotiators were working with congressional leaders to assemble a coronavirus economic relie
www.politifact.com
amstech
Posts: 2,687 +1,860
This has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump, but its funny to see this entitled, spoiled generation take shots at him and the left wing.
There is no high road there when Trump was doing exactly the same thing.
So we should all follow his example and not follow the advice of experts. Got it!
10thDmenxn
Posts: 86 +55
None of this is true. Obama did NOT declare a State of Emergency until OCTOBER!!! Every news source has published this, the NYT's, WSJ, Breitbart, Fox News, CNN and MSNBC to name a few. A quick search shows this to be empirical fact. It took him six months to declare, over 60 MILLION American's contracted it, over 12 MILLION died from it, and the mainstream press called him a hero. YOUR liberal sources are NOT objective sources. They have all proven themselves to be propaganda machines for the left. You can believe what you want, but you are only hurting yourself. Those same sources called Trump a racist, bigot and Xenophobe for banning travel from China, but doctor's Fauci and Birx, the MOST respected and MOST bipartisan doctors on staff, have said it saved tens of thousands of lives. Then the same things happened again when he banned Europe! So your sources are discredited. They also reported that Trump doesn't listen to the science or doctors on his own staff. Yet, doctor Fauci himself has said several times, "President Trump has "never" gone against the science-based advice he was provided. When he suggests, ‘why don’t we do this?’ And I say, ‘no, that’s really not a good idea from a scientific standpoint’ – he has never overruled me." So your sources are discredited and too partisan to believe on anything.Facts say otherwise
"On April 15, 2009, the first infection was identified in California, according to the CDC, and less than two weeks later, on April 26, 2009, the Obama administration declared a public health emergency. The day before, on April 25, the World Health Organization had declared a public health emergency. "
Trump’s H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic Spin - FactCheck.org
In tweets and other appearances, President Donald Trump has repeatedly compared his response to the new coronavirus with President Barack Obama’s handling of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic. But Trump’s information is frequently incorrect or misleading -- and the two viruses are very different.
Please do cite your source. As it stands right now, your argument is nothing more than conjecture.
Only the president has the power to declare a national health emergency, to secure mass amounts of medical equipment, to control the engineer corps, ect.
Ultimately it is the federal government alone that has the power to put a ton of resources behind quashing a pandemic. Many states like NY have already been doing everything they possiblely can and yet Trump denied them additional ventilators and access to more medical supplies for doctors.
Not to mention the epic press bungling. So yes, in many ways this is directly Trump's fault.
Sure you could blame people for their poor individual efforts but in fact their effect is less than a millionth that the president has and thus it makes sense to focus on the biggest issue.
None of which is true. You read the top 5 fake news posts on facebook essentially and now are spreading them here.
There is literally a fact check ON FACEBOOK calling the green new deal policies in the corona bill false.
"However, the bill does not include language on tax credits for solar and wind energy. "
Trump ad mostly right on what’s in Pelosi coronavirus bill
As President Donald Trump’s negotiators were working with congressional leaders to assemble a coronavirus economic relie
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