Bill Gates on Coronavirus: The US did not act fast enough to avoid a shutdown

10thDmenxn

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There is no high road there when Trump was doing exactly the same thing.
AGAIN, this is a lie. President Trump NEVER told people to ignore it, or go live it up. He said two things, first that the media was OVER-HYPING it, which proved to be true, since they predicted over 85,000 would die in the next month or two, and that there would be hospital beds in the streets, with millions sick, etc... NONE OF THAT HAS HAPPENED!!!! They've been wrong about EVERYTHING!!!!! Second, Trump told people NOT TO PANIC!!! And he was right! There hasn't been, and STILL isn't any reason to panic. So NO, those are not the same things.
 

10thDmenxn

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So we should all follow his example and not follow the advice of experts. Got it!
Everything Trump has promoted is to follow the advice of the experts. Again, since this doesn't seem to be registering with you, "Dr. Fauci also said President Trump has "never" gone against the science-based advice he provided. "When he suggests, ‘why don’t we do this?’ And I say, ‘no, that’s really not a good idea from a scientific standpoint’ – he has never overruled me."
 
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10thDmenxn

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For you liberals on here, I have a serious question for you. This is an honest question, not trying to be offensive nor start crap. But would love for you to OBJECTIVELY ponder this. Why is it that you NEVER hold your own leaders responsible for ANYTHING? The Baltimore leader who recently died Elijah Cummings, his district was trash-ridden, drug addict filled poor as dirt, because he NEVER did anything for them in 40 years in office. Nancy Pelosi's district is trash-ridden, streets filled with crap and piss and homeless EVERYWHERE, drug needles all over the streets, yet her constituents only blame Trump, when she's been in office for 40+ years!!!! The same trend can be seen in EVERY liberally run city or state in the union. Yet, all of the conservative run cities and states are flourishing, and don't have NEAR the problems the liberal cities do. They don't have the crime rates, financial problems nor social problems. Even in this pandemic, the worst places are the big liberal states and cities. Why do the large conservative cities not have the problems the large liberal cities do?
I can give you part of that answer as an example, NY Gov Cuomo had the chance to buy ventilators and masks a few years ago, but passed because he said they were too expensive, and it wasn't in the budget. BUTTTTTT, he spent 750 MILLION DOLLARS on a solar project that went bankrupt!!!! He also spent 800 MILLION DOLLARS on a TECH PLANT that went belly up also. So I wonder, how many masks and ventilators could he have purchased with those huge sums of money????? Please just think about it.
These aren't just coincidences that KEEP happening... Cuomo keeps bitching about not having this, and not having that, yet he has been in office for several terms. The same for the ridiculous NYC Mayor BD. Multiple terms, but NOT PREPARED FOR ANYTHING!!!! Yet, so many NY liberals are blaming Trump!!! WHY? They were also JUST blaming Trump for the CARE bill not being passed, when it was Nancy Pelosi who kept delaying it. President Trump does not make law!!!! So, can you see how ridiculous this all is???
 

Evernessince

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None of this is true. Obama did NOT declare a State of Emergency until OCTOBER!!! Every news source has published this, the NYT's, WSJ, Breitbart, Fox News, CNN and MSNBC to name a few. A quick search shows this to be empirical fact. It took him six months to declare, over 60 MILLION American's contracted it, over 12 MILLION died from it, and the mainstream press called him a hero. YOUR liberal sources are NOT objective sources. They have all proven themselves to be propaganda machines for the left. You can believe what you want, but you are only hurting yourself. Those same sources called Trump a racist, bigot and Xenophobe for banning travel from China, but doctor's Fauci and Birx, the MOST respected and MOST bipartisan doctors on staff, have said it saved tens of thousands of lives. Then the same things happened again when he banned Europe! So your sources are discredited. They also reported that Trump doesn't listen to the science or doctors on his own staff. Yet, doctor Fauci himself has said several times, "President Trump has "never" gone against the science-based advice he was provided. When he suggests, ‘why don’t we do this?’ And I say, ‘no, that’s really not a good idea from a scientific standpoint’ – he has never overruled me." So your sources are discredited and too partisan to believe on anything.
The CDC itself says it took Obama less than 2 weeks to make the swine flu a public health emergency.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html

The CDC is liberal? You've got a lot of opinion and nothing to back it up.

Please stay on topic. You can't prove your original claim let alone the one's you made of cuomo (which take all of 3 seconds to debunk: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-misleading-ventilator-counter-punch-at-cuomo/).

This conversation is going exactly as I expected. Facebook rumors and Trump misinformation that is easily disproven by even the most basic of fact checking.
 
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wiyosaya

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Sure, let's tout the magic man Trump - especially when the federal government is outbidding the states after telling them "get your own medical equipment".


Maybe Trump can wave his hands over us all and this will magically disappear.
 
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wiyosaya

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This is an honest question, not trying to be offensive nor start crap. But would love for you to OBJECTIVELY ponder this. Why is it that you NEVER hold your own leaders responsible for ANYTHING?
I do hold Obama responsible for not installing Merrick Garland on SCOTUS. I also hold him responsible for not prosecuting W and Can't Shoot Straight Cheney for treason.

I hold any leader, regardless of party, responsible especially when the reason to is based in fact. I don't trust what the news outlets say. I do my own fact-checking.

I am sure there are dozens of examples out there of Republicans doing exactly what you say Democrats are doing. I suggest that you hold them responsible, too, before attempting to take that high road and repeating the party talking points.
 
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10thDmenxn

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I do hold Obama responsible for not installing Merrick Garland on SCOTUS. I also hold him responsible for not prosecuting W and Can't Shoot Straight Cheney for treason.

I hold any leader, regardless of party, responsible especially when the reason to is based in fact. I don't trust what the news outlets say. I do my own fact-checking.

I am sure there are dozens of examples out there of Republicans doing exactly what you say Democrats are doing. I suggest that you hold them responsible, too, before attempting to take that high road and repeating the party talking points.
I absolutely do. I am NOT a republican. So they are NOT MY party talking points. Although yours were right down party lines. But, I think Rep's are spineless wimps. They always give in to the criminal Dem's. I will NEVER claim to be a Republican, for that reason alone. But I would lean towards Republican these days way before Democrat as they have gone totally insane with the stupid things they are pushing.
And I notice your things you held against Dem leaders were RADICAL dem talking points, NOT reasonable things nonpartisan's would join you on. So don't accuse me of doing exactly what YOU just did.I normally rail against Rep leaders for not spending money when it needs to be spent. And their moronic in-fighting when they need to get something passed, instead of showing unity. You see, my points against them are not radical conservative in nature, as yours actually were radically liberal in nature.
Why don't you rail against Pelosi for blowing up the deal the Senate had four days ago? Why don't you rail against the Dems for putting CRAP in the bill, like money for illegals, changes for online voting so they can rig the election, or Planned Parenthood funds for abortion... NONE of those having ANYTHING whatsoever to do with this virus, let alone the Kennedy Center...
 
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10thDmenxn

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The CDC itself says it took Obama less than 2 weeks to make the swine flu a public health emergency.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html

The CDC is liberal? You've got a lot of opinion and nothing to back it up.

Please stay on topic. You can't prove your original claim let alone the one's you made of cuomo (which take all of 3 seconds to debunk: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-misleading-ventilator-counter-punch-at-cuomo/).

This conversation is going exactly as I expected. Facebook rumors and Trump misinformation that is easily disproven by even the most basic of fact checking.
Start looking up individual's who run the CDC and you will find an overwhelming majority of them being liberal. The Director Robert R. Redfield has donated several times to the DNC. Deputy Director Anne Schuchat is also active with the DNC, and donated direct to the Hilary Clinton campaign. Michelle Bonds, Robin Ikeda, Kyle McGowan, Sherri Berger, Anstice Kenefick and Reginald Mebane are all Associate Directors, COS or COO’s are all Democrats!!!! Also their Chief Med Officer Mitch Wolfe, is also Democrat. But the Lab Director is the sole Republican on the upper echelon. John Howard, the Director of NIOSH, is also a Dem. As is the acting Dir of Pub Health Serv and Implem Science, Kathy Daniel. So there is your unbiased CDC. Lol. Wow! So much for diversity of thought…

The same thing with factcheck.org.
They are owned by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, at the University of Pennsylvania, which is over 95% liberal. Also, the Annenberg Public Policy Center Donated 65k to Hilary Clinton's campaign and Foundation.
 

10thDmenxn

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I do hold Obama responsible for not installing Merrick Garland on SCOTUS. I also hold him responsible for not prosecuting W and Can't Shoot Straight Cheney for treason.
Why don't you hold Obama responsible for completely dismantling our Military? Why don't you hold him responsible for sending Iran 1.8 Billion IN CASH for a few hostages? What about the IRS targeting? What about the NSA Spying scandal? What about the FAST and FURIOUS, selling arms to Mexican cartels? What about him being the ONLY president in history NOT to hit at least 3% GDP growth? Coming out of a recession that should have been easy! What about "You can keep your doctors and medical plans? What about his admin spending 10.5 TRILLION Dollars, and pushing the deficit from 9 T to 19.5T, MORE than the last 43 presidents combined??? What about him swapping Bergdahl, a traitor, for five terrorists, who went back on the battlefield and killed MORE Americans??? Speaking of American's dying... Benghazi???? Why don't I read you listing any of those things, since you say you hold liberal democrats responsible for their failures???????
 

Evernessince

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Start looking up individual's who run the CDC and you will find an overwhelming majority of them being liberal. The Director Robert R. Redfield has donated several times to the DNC. Deputy Director Anne Schuchat is also active with the DNC, and donated direct to the Hilary Clinton campaign. Michelle Bonds, Robin Ikeda, Kyle McGowan, Sherri Berger, Anstice Kenefick and Reginald Mebane are all Associate Directors, COS or COO’s are all Democrats!!!! Also their Chief Med Officer Mitch Wolfe, is also Democrat. But the Lab Director is the sole Republican on the upper echelon. John Howard, the Director of NIOSH, is also a Dem. As is the acting Dir of Pub Health Serv and Implem Science, Kathy Daniel. So there is your unbiased CDC. Lol. Wow! So much for diversity of thought…

The same thing with factcheck.org.
They are owned by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, at the University of Pennsylvania, which is over 95% liberal. Also, the Annenberg Public Policy Center Donated 65k to Hilary Clinton's campaign and Foundation.
Oh boy, you just move from one position to the next without even trying to provide links to back anything up don't you?

FYI Robert R Redfield is a Trump appointee which democrats opposed. It's always a good laugh when Trump says he has the best people until they do something he doesn't like and all of a sudden they are the covfefe boy.

In case you didn't know, attacking the individuals and not the argument is called an Ad Hominem attack. It means you can't debate on the facts.
 

10thDmenxn

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Oh boy, you just move from one position to the next without even trying to provide links to back anything up don't you?

FYI Robert R Redfield is a Trump appointee which democrats opposed. It's always a good laugh when Trump says he has the best people until they do something he doesn't like and all of a sudden they are the covfefe boy.

In case you didn't know, attacking the individuals and not the argument is called an Ad Hominem attack. It means you can't debate on the facts.
Trump has appointed several people who are not Republican's. He values talent over party in several positions. And I have not attacked anyone. So you can keep your ad hominem. Please point out where I attacked anyone. I've made general points, and none of them were personal attacks.
By the way, it's a "form letter" liberal reply to accuse someone of being a racist, xenophobic, a misogynist or of using an ad hominem attack to avoid answering a question they have no answer for...
 

3volv3d

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You didnt describe capitalism, you described corruption. You cannot legislate the poor into wealth, by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
Ok. But the problem is that with money comes great responsibility. No wait thats power, no wait money buys power. Money corrupts. Wait wheres the line?
 
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Yynxs

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Final Fantasy remake will be out mid-April 2020. Easter is April 12th.
To define your political leanings, answer the following questions:

Are you hoping the Chinese Coronavirus lockdown continues so you can stay at home and play all day with the 1200 buck help check warming your pocket for the next few weeks as the elderly die alone behind fear closed doors and the US and world economies die but Trump is seen as "presidential" and reelected?

or

Are you hoping that Trump will 'wave his hand' alone uncovered by the press or even Fox News in the darkness in the White House cellar as large corporations increase their tax deductions for supporting the national effort, their stocks rise, their CEOs get bigger bonuses and everyone not replaced by the newly imported 85,000 H1B approvals is back to work on the 13th following the devout attending Easter services getting sick en masse and dying and Trump loses the next election?
 

Maxiking

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His statement about not being ready is a tautological statement, it is correct under any condition.

It is like saying we are not ready for the next economic crisis.

No one can predict it, no one can stop it.

So pointless article and pointless credits.
 
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10thDmenxn

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Final Fantasy remake will be out mid-April 2020. Easter is April 12th.
To define your political leanings, answer the following questions:

Are you hoping the Chinese Coronavirus lockdown continues so you can stay at home and play all day with the 1200 buck help check warming your pocket for the next few weeks as the elderly die alone behind fear closed doors and the US and world economies die but Trump is seen as "presidential" and reelected?

or

Are you hoping that Trump will 'wave his hand' alone uncovered by the press or even Fox News in the darkness in the White House cellar as large corporations increase their tax deductions for supporting the national effort, their stocks rise, their CEOs get bigger bonuses and everyone not replaced by the newly imported 85,000 H1B approvals is back to work on the 13th following the devout attending Easter services getting sick en masse and dying and Trump loses the next election?
You know it's funny that your ONLY two options are both doom and gloom. Another funny part of it, is you almost use the same words as Obama did when Trump was a candidate. He said, "“When somebody says like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these manufacturing jobs back. Well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s uh-uh no answer to it. He just says, “I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well how? How exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have?" And the New York Times columnist and economist Paul Krugman tweeted on November 25, 2016, “Nothing policy can do will bring back those lost manufacturing jobs. The service sector is the future of work; but nobody wants to hear it.”
Well those were all doom and gloom just like you are posturing, and President Trump HAS brought manufacturing jobs back, just like he said he would. And he did it in just the manner he promised, with negotiation. Right now, manufacturing jobs are up 10 Times what they were under Obama. And since you guys are so demanding of sources, when you could just go get them just as easily, I will leave a source for this info, even though it's widely known. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckd...-10-times-obamas-over-21-months/#30e11a775850
So the point I'm making is that there are OTHER scenarios which are not YOUR doom and gloom. Many, many, many times people have predicted doom and gloom with President Trump, and in every single case he has beaten their odds. They said people would die if he was elected president. It didn't happen. They said the stock market would crash if he were elected, and it didn't. In fact, he's had more historical records than any president in history with over 150. Why is it that you guys keep predicting doom and gloom, when he beats you every single time? He's created over 7.5 MILLION JOBS in just three and a half years. We had the lowest unemployment in 75 years before this virus hit. Minority unemployment has been the lowest in HISTORY!!! We are energy independent for the first time in 65+ years, and we are NOW the worlds largest exporter of oil and natural gas. He beat ISIS back into non-relevance, sured up the southern border to protect all of us. He forced the big drug companies into lowering their prices, and we had the first drop in drug prices in 2019 in over 55 years. He's beating the opioid epidemic, and has made infinitely better trade deals with Japan, South Korea, Europe, Canada and Mexico. He got us out of the TransPacific Trade deal which is NOW a disaster, and the same goes with the Paris Accord. Not one country in the Paris Accord has dropped their emissions as much as the UNITED STATES of AMERICA has. Not one! In fact none of them have abided by it at all. He gave us the biggest tax cuts in history, and right before this virus hit, we had the largest wage growth in 80 years, especially for the lower and middle income people.
He has done all of these great things, and improved our lives in such a dramatic way, yet you still ONLY think about the doom and gloom. Why???
Furthermore, and more amazingly, he did all of this with NO HELP from the narcissistic democRATS. In fact they have obstructed him as much as they could at every turn. He did all this with the mainstream media fabricating stories about him, and reporting flat out lies on a daily basis. So shouldn't all that give you a positive outlook??? Or are you one of those who prefers to constantly be negative, and search for the possibility of something bad???
 
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neeyik

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Please use the General Discussion for this kind of conversation - stick to the immediate news topic in the article, thanks folks.
 

10thDmenxn

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Please use the General Discussion for this kind of conversation - stick to the immediate news topic in the article, thanks folks.
Okay, my apologies.
So here is my take on this, Bill Gates is as Brilliant as he can be in computer software and general business sense. But he is as ignorant as it gets when it comes to things of the medical field. He accidentally killed thousands in Africa, to where they asked him to "STOP HELPING THEM"!!!! He is NOT well educated in this, or any other medical emergency, as his record reflects. Why people equate a software company founder as a medical expert is beyond me. His rhetoric is dangerous and completely erroneous. He has ZERO credibility in this sphere...
 

That Dude There

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Bill Gates is one of the best examples of why capitalism is the best practice for commerce. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. People should be able to make as much money as they want, and its their damn money...not mine, not everybody's to share, THEIR DAMN MONEY.

Gates has invested more into charities and the overall growth and positive evolution of human beings as a whole then most billionaires. I admire him as he built the foundation for my career, as I work in IT, and his premise to use his earnings to help the world can only be viewed negatively by those who have been swindled into thinking capitalism is something its not. Free enterprise is what makes other people leave thier countries to come here.
The word of the day folks here is 'Liberty'.
And if I hear one damn word about 'corrupt corporations buying themselves into tax fraud and loops' as if it has any correlation to any party, I am going to shoot you in the face with my strongest nerf gun.
give me a break. Capitalism is good, except it is limited if you are not in the club. We would not have poor people if they didn't greedily take the majority of everything. Worldwide/nationwide chains, mobile phone giants, shopping center slave owners renting businesses out of buisiness, Software GIANTS...ect ect ect. Either way they WANT to crash the economy to bring you the mandatory vaccine/currency/religion. (Revelation 13) Hint: JFK deception coming soon.
 
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captaincranky

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And that is somehow supposed to make his greed over the decades all better. There is not an eye roll emoji large enough to fit this instance.
Well, I've said this before, (nobody listened then either), but Mr. Gates' "philanthropy", is nothing more then a mutated case of "survivor's guilt".

"Why didn't I die with the rest of my troops", modifies nicely to, "how come I'm so rich and so very many others are so dirt poor.

Then there's the provincial tradition of "noblesse oblige"", whereupon the very rich share a bit of their vast riches with the less fortunate.

In either case, Mr.Gates multi billion (?) dollar hydrogen powered yacht is under construction. Perhaps he could sport it around the poorer ports of the world tossing care packages off the stern, like "chum for humans".
 

wizardB

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Gates is busily trying to promote his latest vaccine, all the while trying to undermine the one cure that seems to lessen the effects of this thing.
 

Yynxs

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So I'm guessing the part where I mention Bill Gates' foundation donating money to malaria research but not using foundation money to contribute to US workers' health care and money to live on either struck a nerve or wasn't enough to keep from losing the post. It's probably a Seattle thing. And I worked so hard on being humorous and telling people to ease up too. oh well.
 
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wizardB

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This great calamity has killed fewer people then the seasonal flu does and all I see is people grabbing power and ripping others off for something that looks like it can be stifled by quinine. Almost seems like a part of this is an attempt to steal people's freedom almost that is..
 

captaincranky

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This great calamity has, as of yet, killed fewer people then the seasonal flu does...[ ]....
There's one huge stumbling block with people continually making this comparison. We have vaccines to prevent or at least mitigate seasonal influenza.

In fact, I get the extra heavy duty dose of the vaccine, because as they say, I'm "an old fart" (For free, from Medicare).

OTOH, having gained acquired immunity from having contracted measles, mumps, and chicken pox, by living through them, I would still allow my children to receive the vaccines to prevent them. This, in spite of the fact that I believe this generation is a bunch of snowflakes with respect to these traditional "childhood diseases".

So, whether or not this virus is more or less lethal than some of the other strains of corona viruses, is actually a moot point. If it spurs the development of a vaccine to prevent it altogether.

If Covid19 does turn out to be a seasonal occurrence, we really can't develop a vaccine to prevent it fast enough.
 
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