Bill Gates thinks Elon Musk should keep his Coronavirus comments to himself

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candle_86

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Uh huh. So, what is pretty clear is YOUR goal is to keep making stuff up as you go along as you continue to try to make facts fit your world view.

Your arguments are a patchwork of anecdotal random noise with such a complete lack of any kind of comprehensive line of reasoning to them that I can only assume it must be by design.

So I'll leave it at addressing two particularly outrageous statements.

Firstly, the one about viruses not having cures. Are smallpox and polio still a big concern among people in your peer group? Because I can happily inform you that the rest of the civilized world has really enjoyed the benefit of seeing these crippling diseases almost completely eradicated.

The second one is about those smart Europeans you mentioned, or the very people TOTALLY NOT BOTHERING with the distraction of hydroxychloroquine and instead focusing on treatments that have actual promise.
Except polo and small pox weren't cured, they vaccinated everyone and the rate of mutation is much slower than flu, or covid. There will never be a vaccine that eradicates it. It will be around mutating each year, that's a simple fact.
 

candle_86

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Here in the US, they are actually viewed more as a cult.
Yes because we ignore concrete proof of links to a well known pedophile, we ignore inappropriate contact with minors, we say listen to all women who say they raped me unless it doesn't fit our political goals, and we bury our heads in the sand. Oh wait that's the left I forgot silly me. Congrats on being the first group to proudly and openly support a pedophile.

The right calls out Trump's bad behavior, we don't endorse it, but we also see he's kept his promises, and we can also see how deeply the left has attempted to sabatoge everything. You *****s where calling for impeachment in November 2016 before he was even formally elected by the electoral college. You think we don't see thorough you, your lies, your arrogance, and your hatred for America are so blantaly obvious to everyone that isn't a sheep.
 

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Except polo and small pox weren't cured
Smallpox and Polio have long been declared eradicated.
The right calls out Trump's bad behavior
Nope, you dont.
where calling for impeachment in November 2016 before he was even formally elected by the electoral college
Because he had already admitted to assault.
"And they let you do it"
support a pedophile.
So I ask again, prove it
I met a garbage pile once, you are worse.
he's kept his promises
What promises did he keep?

Trumpanzees are the worst, this is proof.
 
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candle_86

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Smallpox and Polio have long been declared eradicated.

Nope, you dont.

Because he had already admitted to assault.
"And they let you do it"

So I ask again, prove it
I met a garbage pile once, you are worse.

What promises did he keep?

Trumpanzees are the worst, this is proof.
Oh I could prove it but you won't accept it. Your an utter waste of time, I've yet to get even a glimmer of intelligent thought out of you. Your what's wrong with this country and I'm betting you raised your daughter to be equally stupid and to follow blindly.
 

scavengerspc

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Oh I could prove it but you won't accept it. Your an utter waste of time, I've yet to get even a glimmer of intelligent thought out of you. Your what's wrong with this country and I'm betting you raised your daughter to be equally stupid and to follow blindly.
Remember that when your kids come to pick up her garbage or clean her pool.
I now refer you to my last post before this one. You just accused me of everything people think about you.

Oh I could prove it
But let me guess. You wont. Right?
 
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scavengerspc

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Neither side will. That is why the scientist are divided on the topic.
There is no division. Well unless you are talking between Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, Mayo Clinic, ECDC, and every major university on every Continent on Earth VS. Billy Bubba from Git er Done Community College.

And his secret proof I was asking for was about Biden.
 
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thewind

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Yeah, toilets spray water when flushed. The video mentions 'tiny droplets' and shows how a piece of paper stretched over the toilet catches them.

I get it. When you say 'farts' you don't mean the regular anal gas ventilation that other people associate with the word. You're actually thinking about 'explosive diarrhoea'.

Which, coincidentally, is also a pretty good description for the totally confused nonsense that is your contribution to this topic.
Dude if you watched the whole video the control toothbrushs in a completely different room and covered had fecal matter on as well. This is cuz stuff that gets in the air and travels and travels. Hail is heavy but it still foats in the air until it gets big enough to fall. Rain accumulates in the air until its heavy enough to fall. Tiny viruses in the air you breath that you can't even see can travel long long distances. Way farther than the 6 feet they say you should keep apart.
 

Beerfloat

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Dude if you watched the whole video the control toothbrushs in a completely different room and covered had fecal matter on as well. This is cuz stuff that gets in the air and travels and travels. Hail is heavy but it still foats in the air until it gets big enough to fall. Rain accumulates in the air until its heavy enough to fall. Tiny viruses in the air you breath that you can't even see can travel long long distances. Way farther than the 6 feet they say you should keep apart.
Dude, this isn't a revelation. What's problematic is you and your compatriots using this as an argument why you shouldn't have to bother with masks (and even call people who do wear masks uninformed sheep!).

That's just reckless and inexcusable when there is a mountain of evidence for the important role of masks in slowing the spread and getting the pandemic under control.
 
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Beerfloat

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The right calls out Trump's bad behavior, we don't endorse it, but we also see he's kept his promises
Where's the Obamacare repeal and replace? Where are the health saving accounts? Where is the cross-state insurance? Where is the resurgent manufacturing sector? Why is the federal debt way up instead of down? Where are the congressional term limits? When will his accusers of sexual misconduct get sued? Why were AT&T and Time Warner allowed to merge after all? Why is Hilary not in jail? Where's the wall? Where is Mexico's funding for the wall? Where are his tax returns?

Trump's promises are like most of his statements in general: Both stupid and lies.
 

candle_86

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Where's the Obamacare repeal and replace? Where are the health saving accounts? Where is the cross-state insurance? Where is the resurgent manufacturing sector? Why is the federal debt way up instead of down? Where are the congressional term limits? When will his accusers of sexual misconduct get sued? Why were AT&T and Time Warner allowed to merge after all? Why is Hilary not in jail? Where's the wall? Where is Mexico's funding for the wall? Where are his tax returns?

Trump's promises are like most of his statements in general: Both stupid and lies.
Unemployment hit record lows and manufacturing was comming back. He also got the coal mines reopened which he promised,the wall not being built is because of Rhinos and that evil ***** Pelosi (may she choke and die soon), and Obamacare was crippled, SCOTUS is about to rule the entire law is bad since it was crippled, and we don't want any sort of government control on healthcare, he listened to the people that voted for him, and they said no government healthcare programs. I'm upset Hillary isn't in jail but he was trying to build a bridge that you whacko leftists decided to jump off anyway. You also decided to sabotage the best economy in 50 years because I guess orange man bad. And we all know when the left takes over your goals are gun grab, shut down coal mines, end fracking, outlaw cow farts, and likely kiss China's *** and apologize, start shipping nuclear material back to Iran, and try to force universal healthcare again, and finally your going get rid of ice and board patrol and welcome all the ms-13 members back to America. Welcome to bidens America.

Which will ensure the economy stays dead but that means people have to turn to government for all their needs, it will lead to a bloody brutal civil war but at least when it's all over and the left is broken we can reform the government and treat socalists like Germany treats Nazis.
 

dotnon

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I got an A+ in Microbiology in college I know a thing or 2 about viruses and most people are being brainwashed.
OK, I'll take your word for it.

If you studied microbiology, you'd probably know that viruses are carried in the air by water droplets.
You'd probably also know that masks will stop some water droplets.
You'd probably also know that smelling a fart through a mask and layers of clothing is much less potent than smelling it with no clothes on and your nose 1m from and with direct line of sight to the anus.
And you must also know that reducing the amount of viral load reduces the chance of an infection taking hold.

So I'm not sure how you have reached your conclusions, but you got an A+ in microbiology, so whatever.
 

dotnon

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Except covid is airborne it's been proven, covid also comes out as an aresol that can longer inside unclosed spaces for up to 2 hours and is circulated by air conditioners, or did you miss that information a few weeks ago.
You seem to think an "aresol" [aerosol] is somehow different to virus loaded respiratory droplets, but the definition of aerosol is "a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets in air or another gas". We're talking about fine airborne droplets which contains viral matter here.

Yes the aerosol particles are small. No, masks do not stop all aerosol matter, but they do reduce the amount that is transmitted, both on the way in and out. And that reduces the odds of infection rather significantly.

This is not controversial. It's not placebo, and if people had more sense it wouldn't even require more science to prove.

Stop spreading dangerous misinformation.
 

dotnon

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Sorry for the late replies, it did get even more stupid afterwards and I think I'm done here. I know calling people stupid doesn't help them see reason, and I know ad-hominem attacks don't add to the debate, but I'll admit defeat with these two.

Being a "real doctor" doesn't make one right. But if 90% of "real doctors", or a body that represents them told me something relevant to their field, I'd listen. I've never seen a body with such a level of credibility come out against wearing masks.

Intelligence isn't knowing everything, it's knowing what you don't know, knowing when to defer to authority, and having the skills to evaluate the credibility of that authority.

When people such as @candle_86 and @thewind can become so mistrustful of authority that they reject all logic which might prove such an authority to be credible, it shows me that we have a real problem with trust. Trying to fight misinformation with facts is thus pointless - it's the trust in authority that needs to be fixed, and trust is earned.
 

dotnon

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At leaast Musk knows to use critical thinking and not a SHEEP like the rest of the masses..
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You shout SHEEP as if following the herd is a bad thing, when actually there are far more benefits to sheep flocking than going it alone. They use each other for warmth in cold conditions. It's easier to find mates and support their young. It helps protect them from predators. And they usually follow the most experienced/intelligent members of the herd.

Using a huge platform to spout uninformed nonsense is not critical thinking. Elon Musk is busy enough with Tesla and SpaceX. He does not have the time to become an expert in epidemiology. And he's know to speak off the cuff without considering the impact of his words. So why would anyone listen to him on the subject of vaccines?
 

Endymio

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Unless you are talking between Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, Mayo Clinic, ECDC, and every major university on every Continent on Earth VS. Billy Bubba...
That's the same claim you made about cloth masks being "essential". Then I gave you three separate studies by more than a dozen researchers demonstrating that cloth masks were not only ineffective, but actually increase the spread of disease.
 

Endymio

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Gates said: "When you let people communicate, you have to deal with the fact that certain incorrect things that are very titillating can spread very rapidly..."

He's obviously talking about the claim that Covid is so dangerous to children that our schools must be shut down.
 

Endymio

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You shout SHEEP as if following the herd is a bad thing, when actually there are far more benefits to sheep flocking than going it alone
Men are not sheep.

Elon Musk is busy enough with Tesla and SpaceX. He does not have the time to become an expert in epidemiology ... why would anyone listen to him on the subject of vaccines?
This is an prime example of the logical fallacy known as the "appeal to authority". The nice thing about facts is that they are independent of who speaks them.
 
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