Bill Gates thinks Elon Musk should keep his Coronavirus comments to himself

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Mister_K

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Not ignorance, just way smarter than most people.
If you have to justify yourself like that, then you are far from smart.

See I met someone like yourself a few weeks ago down the park. Great chat as most of my friends don't go deep into topics and always mix in misinformation. He was on the right track, thinking about the world as a whole and quite abstract way of thinking, but far too gone into conspiracy hogwash and it was all a giant word salad.

Absolute lost cause, remember to keep yourself in check, balanced thought process is like balanced diet. You sway too much in one side and it's not healthy for you.

To answer your comment your statistics are completely incorrect.

The virulence (R0) of SARS-CoV-2 is estimated between 1.4-6.49, with a mean estimate of 3.28[1] . This mean estimate is much higher than the seasonal flu, which has an R0 of 1.3[2] . What this means is that SARS-CoV-2 spreads signficantly faster than the seasonal flu.

The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) of SARS-CoV-2 is at least 2-3%[3] . This is 20-30 times higher than the CFR of the season flu, which is around .1%[4] .

SARS-CoV-2 can be transmitted without the infected showing any symptoms[5] .This makes it much more difficult to control.

Roughly 20% of SARS-CoV-2 infections result in serious symptoms that require medical intervention[6] . This is more than 10 times the hospitalization rate of the seasonal flu[7].

Symptoms from SARS-CoV-2 can persist over a month[8] compared to the seasonal flu where symptoms typically tend to clear after 5 days[9] .

There is no vaccine for SARS-CoV-2[10] whereas people regularly get annual flu shots.

There is no herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2 which means that it can theoretically infect the entire population. See, for example, a Korean psychiatric department where the virus infected 99/102 people.

Now, consider the multiplicative effect that all of these attributes have for the virus. Compared to the seasonal flu, SARS-CoV-2 (1) spreads faster; (2) kills far more; (3) is harder to control; (4) requires use of far more medical resources; (5) for far longer a period of time; (6) has no effective treatment; and (7) can infect entire populations.

These factors mean that SARS-CoV-2, if left unchecked, is far more likely to overwhelm a country's medical infrastructure. Additionally, when medical infrastructure is overwhelmed, the CFR will skyrocket because we know that 20% of cases require medical intervention.
It doesn't take a genius to piece it all together. This virus is potentially devastating if containment measures fail. Far worse than the seasonal flu.

When’s the last time a government that values economic success over all else quarantined 60 million people?

Again tell it to the truck loads of bodies that were in Italy. Go on, go say that to the relatives that lost their dear ones. Bloody "just a flu" some people are truly misinformed.
 
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thewind

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Neither one of these *****s are Dr's so I won't be taking any advice from either.
I got a A+ in micro biology in college and have an IQ of 146. It shouldn't take rocket science to explain that 18 million native Americans died from the flu but even though its stronger today than back then cuz it keeps evolving we don't die from it as much cuz of herd immunity which you don't get from social distancing. Also mask are a joke:
THIS IS A READ REGARDING MASKS THAT SOME MAY FIND EXTREMELY INTERESTING. 🤔 SOMETHING TO SURE THINK ABOUT.

NOT my post, but I agree with it. That said, if you prefer to wear one, do so. If you are actively coughing, stay home.

From an OSHA Inspector:

"I wanted to put this out there. I have worked in a clean room for 23 years and 10 years on Submarines before that. OSHA is the standard that you have to live by in these environments. So for the people that are going to say, listen to the experts, OSHA would be those experts on face masks. Please read the following with an open mind. Not going to change the mind of the hard core believers, but it would be nice for those people to not attack us that are not, as not caring. Not going to debate this, just putting it out there.

COPIED FROM AN OSHA CERTIFIED GENTLEMAN:
If you care, then share.
For all you mask wearers (especially those of you who think wearing it outside is NOT stupid 🤦🏼‍♀️). I know I’m about to burst your “google doctor degree” bubble, but here goes nothing.

So Masks?
I am OSHA 10&30 certified. I know some of you are too. I don’t really know WHY OSHA hasn’t come forward and stopped the nonsense BUT I want to cover 3 things
• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks
Okay, so upon further inspection, OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations.

If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick, you can be sued.

• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Target and the guy with Covid has a N95 mask, his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Target (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out).

• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment.”

• Cloth masks: I can’t even believe I’m having to explain this, but here it goes. Today, three people pointed to their masks as they walked by me entering Lowe’s. They said “ya gotta wear your mask BRO” I said very clearly “those masks don’t work bro, in fact they MAKE you sicker” they “pshh’d” me. By now hopefully you all know CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.

-Ultimate Answer:
*N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.

*The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale, (Like a vacuum bag, it only works one way) but likely stops after 20 minutes, rendering it useless outside of a STERILE ENVIRONMENT (correct Becky, they don’t work in a bar, not even a little bit).

*Cloth masks are WORSE than none. It’s equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos.

The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work. They’re being used to provide false comfort and push forward a specific agenda. For the love of God, research each mask’s designed use and purpose, I bet you will find NONE are used in the way of “viral defense.”

Just like EVERY Flu season kids, wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Sanitize your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirts not clean, & I like my space. Trust me I can hear you from here. Lots of reasons to keep your distance and work on body hygiene. But trust me, the masks do not work.

*Occupational Safety & Hazard Association sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.

I know, facts suck. They throw a wrench into the perfectly (seeming) packaged pill you are willingly swallowing. Facts make you have to form your OWN OPINION, instead of regurgitating someone else’s, and I know how uncomfortable that makes a lot of you. If your mask gives you security, by all means wear it. Just know it is a false sense of security and you shouldn’t shame anyone into partaking in such “conspiracies.”

If select politicians stopped enforcing it, no one would continue this nonsense....
 
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Beerfloat

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This is a terrible and stupid way to think about it. A virus is super super small. Let me make another suggestion. When I fart I bet you will smell it and guess what thats fecal matter you are smelling. So if you can smell that after it goes through my underwear, my pants, and travels over 6 feet and goes through your mask how the hell do you think a virus that is over 10x smaller is not going to make it through? On top of that if you wear a cloth mask that will trap moisture and create micro mold which can kill you! Not including you don't get hurd imunity from social distancing and wearing a mask lowers your oxygen intake which lowers your immune system. I got an A+ in Microbiology in college I know a thing or 2 about viruses and most people are being brainwashed.
You’re certainly not lacking in confidence. Don’t you ever wonder why many of the opinions you state as fact here are pretty much completely opposite to conventional wisdom, though? Do you perhaps have some theory to offer on why there would be ‘brainwashing’ going on (of people other than yourself)? I would love to hear more from this rabbit hole.

Psychology has invented a term for a phenomena not unlike what is seen in many posts in this topic. You’ve probably heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
 
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Beerfloat

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The states with the highest unemployment and cities with the most civil unrest arnt republican.
You got a point there, Red States tend to be a little slower, much like their base really.

Take heart, though. Once we get kick the lazy grifter and his incompetent cronies out of the White House we can finally end this downward spiral!
 

Rayneofpayne

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That’sa real risk for sure. Developing and testing of a vaccine can take up to 10 years.
But as far as I know they are working on already existing (and tested) vaccines, slightly modified to fight Covid. That COULD reduce the risk, but clearly cannot eliminate it.
Keep in mind it's still a strain of influenza half the work should have been already done, it was just a matter of finding the right dummy virus that would produce the correct antibodies.
 

TheBigFatClown

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This is a terrible and stupid way to think about it. A virus is super super small. Let me make another suggestion. When I fart I bet you will smell it and guess what thats fecal matter you are smelling. So if you can smell that after it goes through my underwear, my pants, and travels over 6 feet and goes through your mask how the hell do you think a virus that is over 10x smaller is not going to make it through? On top of that if you wear a cloth mask that will trap moisture and create micro mold which can kill you! Not including you don't get hurd imunity from social distancing and wearing a mask lowers your oxygen intake which lowers your immune system. I got an A+ in Microbiology in college I know a thing or 2 about viruses and most people are being brainwashed.
Good to know that not everybody has developed a severe case of germophobia. Good to know that not everybody is drinking the kool-aid!
 

scavengerspc

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I know, facts suck
No, what sucks is that despite all your claims to fame you completely missed\ignored the one most important fact about masking. Where groups have assembled the infection rate among those that wore masks is a small fraction of assemblies where the participants didn't.



The problem as I see it after researching all of your "proof" is that the only facts that suck are yours.
 

cliffordcooley

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Where groups have assembled the infection rate among those that wore masks is a small fraction of assemblies where the participants didn't.
If only that were true, we wouldn't be worrying about the rioters. They would all be too sick to riot by now.

Either way I'm not going to wear a mask. Which doesn't work and makes everyones breathing simulate having the virus.
 
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scavengerspc

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If only that were true, we wouldn't be worrying about the rioters. They would all be too sick to riot by now.

Either way I'm not going to wear a mask. Which doesn't work and makes everyones breathing simulate having the virus.
It is true and they do work. I will mention tRUMP in Tulsa. Maskless people had a much, much higher infection rate than anyone else. And 2 weeks later Tulsa enacted a mask mandate because of it.


Don't mask if you don't want to. But you should stop lying to suit your own agenda.
 

Beerfloat

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If only that were true, we wouldn't be worrying about the rioters. They would all be too sick to riot by now.
Most protesters I've seen wear masks. I haven't seen many rioters, but pretty much ALL of those seem to be wearing masks. They're also outside. All good things.

Either way I'm not going to wear a mask. Which doesn't work and makes everyones breathing simulate having the virus.
Masks dramatically lower the spread of infection. How is this controversial?
 

candle_86

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So you not only bow down for tRUMP but for Jr. also. No surprise.

Trump Jr said what the right has been saying since 2012 at least. He is creepy and does sniff and inappropriately touch children there are a few hundred compiled YouTube clips about it. Oh he also visited pedo island at least 3 times that we know of, and continued to be friendly and be seen publicly with Epstein, unlike Trump who went out once and flight logs prove it, he also left rather fast and was not publicly seen with Epstein afterwards. So go ahead tell me it's only Trump Jr. The fact the Democrats want to ignore these facts and arnt demanding an investigation blows my mind. Also next time might I suggest you use a reputable news source not the overly and obviously biased nyt, their reporting is about as accurate as the weekly world news.
 

mailpup

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Back on topic please. You know, Bill Gates and Elon Musk. Thank you.
 

mailpup

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It was on topic no? Almost every post was a reflection of Musks' comments.
Please just let us know what Techspot allows us to say.
Although part of your post was about Musk, you know very well that you were also continuing with your off topic argument with another member.
 

scavengerspc

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Although part of your post was about Musk, you know very well that you were also continuing with your off topic argument with another member.
Don't get me wrong you are right. But I just wanted to ask him what I did as quick and short as possible before moving on. And it was not off-topic.

EDIT - Ok I see. The Biden thing was off-topic. But you let the original accusation stay. That's a bad statement.
 

mailpup

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Don't get me wrong you are right. But I just wanted to ask him what I did as quick and short as possible before moving on. And it was not off-topic.

EDIT - Ok I see. The Biden thing was off-topic. But you let the original accusation stay. That's a bad statement.
I had to cut it off somewhere. Sometimes it's you and sometimes it's the other guy. Sure, you wanted one last shot but then the other guy wants his. Then I get "Well you let him keep posting, why not me?" Can't win.
 

scavengerspc

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I had to cut it off somewhere. Sometimes it's you and sometimes it's the other guy. Sure, you wanted one last shot but then the other guy wants his. Then I get "Well you let him keep posting, why not me?" Can't win.
See its times like this I realize I should slow down and type more thoroughly before I hit the post reply button.

When I said "That's a bad statement" I meant the vile post about Biden being a pedophile.
 
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thewind

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Most protesters I've seen wear masks. I haven't seen many rioters, but pretty much ALL of those seem to be wearing masks. They're also outside. All good things.



Masks dramatically lower the spread of infection. How is this controversial?
Cuz most masks dont do anything. I fart a lot and even if I wear a surgical mask I can still smell it through a surgical mask and that travels through my underwear and through my pants on top of it. So explain to me how if fecal matter can travel through all those layers and I still can smell it how is a cloth or sugerical mask supposed to trap a virus that is 10x smaller when it can't even trap fecal matter? Now I haven't tried n95 masks but from a doctor I know those are supposed to be fitted to your face to actually work properly and then you shouldn't use them for long periods of time as the significantly reduce oxygen levels. Also they dont filter anything going out only what your breathing in.
 
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scavengerspc

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Cuz most masks dont do anything. I fart a lot and even if I wear a surgical mask I can still smell it through a surgical mask and that travels through my underwear and through my pants on top of it. So explain to me how if fecal matter can travel through all those layers and I still can smell it how is a cloth or sugerical mask supposed to trap a virus that is 10x smaller when it can't even trap fecal matter? Now I haven't tried n95 masks but from a doctor I know those are supposed to be fitted to your face to actually work properly and then you shouldn't use them for long periods of time as the significantly reduce oxygen levels. Also they dont filter anything going out only what your breathing in.
Are you serious? I mean, all of it. Are you ****ing serious?
This may be the dumbest damned post I have ever seen.

Does an Architect have to educate an "A+ microbiology student" in the basics of particle\molecule properties and how masking works? Something I know very little about. Though obviously more than you.

You, candle_86, and Musk should go on tour. America needs more laughter.
 
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Beerfloat

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Cuz most masks dont do anything. I fart a lot and even if I wear a surgical mask I can still smell it through a surgical mask and that travels through my underwear and through my pants on top of it. So explain to me how if fecal matter can travel through all those layers and I still can smell it how is a cloth or sugerical mask supposed to trap a virus that is 10x smaller when it can't even trap fecal matter? Now I haven't tried n95 masks but from a doctor I know those are supposed to be fitted to your face to actually work properly and then you shouldn't use them for long periods of time as the significantly reduce oxygen levels. Also they dont filter anything going out only what your breathing in.
Are you for real? You're not inhaling 'fecal matter' when you smell a fart. You're detecting that special mix of molecules of hydrogen sulfide, methane, ammonia and a handful of other lovely gases produced in the lower intestines.

We don't all have to wear gas masks to slow the spread of COVID, however. ANY cover that prevents or slows down a substantial portion of the virus loaded respiratory droplets that leave a person's mouth when breathing or talking from traveling quite as far is much, much better than nothing. And those droplets are an order of scale larger than your fart molecules.
 

candle_86

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Are you for real? You're not inhaling 'fecal matter' when you smell a fart. You're detecting that special mix of molecules of hydrogen sulfide, methane, ammonia and a handful of other lovely gases produced in the lower intestines.

We don't all have to wear gas masks to slow the spread of COVID, however. ANY cover that prevents or slows down a substantial portion of the virus loaded respiratory droplets that leave a person's mouth when breathing or talking from traveling quite as far is much, much better than nothing. And those droplets are an order of scale larger than your fart molecules.
Except covid is airborne it's been proven, covid also comes out as an aresol that can longer inside unclosed spaces for up to 2 hours and is circulated by air conditioners, or did you miss that information a few weeks ago. Your best chance to contract it prior to masking was indoors in a shopping area or other indoor location with people, that's still true, and a cloth mask is unable to filter airesiols. Stop listening to figureheads and start listening to actual doctors in the field.

Masks serve the same purpose a placebo does to a hypocondiact. Aka it makes you feel better, with minimal effort but is mostly useless.
 
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