Bugs in Fujitsu accounting software that led to false convictions were known "from the...

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WTF?! A Fujitsu executive has admitted that bugs in its Horizon accounting software that mistakenly led to almost 1,000 UK Post Office workers being convicted for theft or fraud were known about by both businesses from the start. The scandal led to some workers being sent to prison and is linked to at least four suicides.

In 1999, Fujitsu subsidiary International Computers Limited installed the Horizon software system in UK post offices. Up until 2015, it was used to prosecute and convict more than 900 sub-postmasters and postmistresses for theft and false accounting after money appeared to be missing from their branches. The bug-riddled Horizon was used as evidence for the prosecutions.

Some of those wrongly accused were sent to prison. Many of the victims faced financial ruin and saw their lives and relationships fall apart after being forced to pay back money that had never been stolen in the first place and the massive legal fees. There have also been four known suicides among those wrongfully accused.

More than 20 years later, only 93 convictions have been overturned while thousands are still waiting for compensation settlements, writes the BBC.

As part of a public inquiry into Fujitsu's reluctance to make Horizon's defects known to the Post Office, Paul Patterson, co-CEO of Fujitsu's European division, said "All the bugs and errors have been known at one level or not, for many, many years. Right from the very start of deployment of the system, there were bugs and errors and defects, which were well-known to all parties."

Patterson said the fact that the courts were not told of the 29 Horizon bugs despite them being identified as early as 1999 was "shameful and appalling."

When the Horizon bugs were acknowledged, witness statements from Fujitsu staff were edited by the Post Office's lawyers to make it appear as if the system was working without any issues as they continued with their prosecutions against innocent workers. Patterson added that in some witness statements, Fujitsu did not include details of Horizon's many problems, and that the "vast majority" of bugs, errors and defects were shared with the Post Office.

"I am surprised that that detail was not included in the witness statements given by Fujitsu staff to the Post Office and I have seen some evidence of editing witness statements by others," Patterson said. When asked if he considered this behavior to be shameful on the part of companies, the executive said "That would be one word I would use."

Fujitsu is under pressure to contribute to the £1 billion ($1.2 billion) UK government ministers have allocated to compensate victims. Patterson said the Japanese company is truly sorry for its part in the "appalling miscarriage of justice," and that it has a "moral obligation" to contribute to the compensation of those affected.

The Post Office has been asked by the government to look at its previous accounting system, Capture, which also resulted in false convictions after earlier potential miscarriages of justices were uncovered.

Fujitsu CEO Takahito Tokita refused to confirm if the company would return any of the money it earned from Horizon.

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Forensic accountants of the police need to be held accountable. To solely use a program as your accounting evidence is not true forensic work.

This will forever more be used as a defence for when accounting software is used as evidence in a case.

A throughly disgusting police operation with equally disgusting political manoeuvring.
 
They say some people or some person committed suicide after being wrongfully convicted of theft.
What for? No job or accusations are worth doing that unless you already suffer from other mental problems.
 
They say some people or some person committed suicide after being wrongfully convicted of theft.
What for? No job or accusations are worth doing that unless you already suffer from other mental problems.
The post office is a very community based job, you're providing a service to the local community including pensioners. The issue was the postmaster's (the business owners) were being accused of stealing from pensioners. Can you imagine the shame of that in your town or village where everyone thinks you're utter scum for stealing from old retired people? Also the financial burden. Some of the postmaster's had upwards of £300k 'owed' to the post office, so not only did they have the shame for something they didn't do they also had legal costs and debts owed to a company that's owned by the UK Government.

Fujitsu should payout compensation and the Senior management responsible for choosing the horizon systems should go to prison in my opinion.
 
Forensic accountants of the police need to be held accountable. To solely use a program as your accounting evidence is not true forensic work.

This will forever more be used as a defence for when accounting software is used as evidence in a case.

A throughly disgusting police operation with equally disgusting political manoeuvring.

Actually, the police had very little involvement. Handily for them, the Post Office were given the power to prosecute staff directly, bypassing normal police and CPS scrutiny. You really couldn’t make it up….
 
They say some people or some person committed suicide after being wrongfully convicted of theft.
What for? No job or accusations are worth doing that unless you already suffer from other mental problems.
Seriously? How about if you’re financially ruined, possibly imprisoned, your community is led to believe you’re a thief, and your relationships with friends and family break down because of it all?
 
Seriously? How about if you’re financially ruined, possibly imprisoned, your community is led to believe you’re a thief, and your relationships with friends and family break down because of it all?
If you friends believe some strangers rather than you, you do not need them.
 
Actually, the police had very little involvement. Handily for them, the Post Office were given the power to prosecute staff directly, bypassing normal police and CPS scrutiny. You really couldn’t make it up….
Omg I forgot this. Yes you are right. It’s the type of situation where it is so bad you need to bring back capital punishment.
 
They say some people or some person committed suicide after being wrongfully convicted of theft.
What for? No job or accusations are worth doing that unless you already suffer from other mental problems.
Spoken like a person of limited experience. Everyone has a mental health limit. All those gun hoe bad guys going off to war? Many come back with so many issues. Most actually.

These people were just ordinary people accused and found guilty of things that turned the whole city against them.

Imagine you had everyone in your town turn on you and found you guilty of child abuse, the evidence proves you are guilty. You know you are innocent, but no one else does. And live like that in prison for 10years.

Then tell me you don’t care for people that have gone through this.
 
If you friends believe some strangers rather than you, you do not need them.

If you never heard of or understand the ideas of power of suggestion or mob mentality, you should look them up. It may help you better understand just how easily persuaded some people can be, regardless of their relationship to you.

Or, you know, keep passing judgement on people for a situation you clearly cannot relate to based on your comments so far.
 
They went to wrong vendor to source the software. They should have come to India. We have a natural tendency to deal with 1001 artificially created hypothetical "what if" situations.
 
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