Congress will require automakers to implement anti-drunk driving tech in vehicles

Austinturner

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Based on my experience with lane-following in a 2020 Subaru Forester, it MUST NOT be mandated until it coordinates with blind spot detection so it moves over in a lane away from encroaching vehicles crossing the lane markers. Too many close calls due to this "feature" not working with blind spotting. Also, it drops out immediately when it encounters sections with poor, or no, markings as with many older highway sections. This also happens with heavy rain/splashing, and weird lighting effects. Also, I just had the experience for the first time of it trying to follow the offramp instead of staying with the through lane I was in.
NOT ready for prime time!
Makes sense, I guess I’m thinking of more like future capabilities, that sounds pretty dangerous!
 

Rayneofpayne

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not "pro drunk driving." After a second offense it's very difficult to get your license back and after a 3rd it's almost impossible. However,I'd like you to consider something with an open mind. A person I worked with who claimed he wasn't a pot smoker(we live in PA) said he got a DUI simply because he had Marijuana in his system. Their is no "legal limit" on Marijuana because it is a federally controlled substance. Because of US "mandatory minimums," he lost his CDL. As he told me, his roommate smokes Marijuana, but he does not. After seeing the levels in in his case, I'm inclined to agree with him. But I don't think people in the US fully understand this, you can get a DUI simply for driving without enough sleep.

So where I'm going with this is, if you're driving with too little sleep, can your car stop you from driving? I have epilepsy and what I take for it are depressants. Should my car stop driving because the drugs I take to prevent seizures look to the car's AI as I'm driving under the influence?

Driving under the influence is wrong, I won't dispute that at all. What I will dispute is that cars shouldn't be the ones making the decision if your intoxicated or not.
DUI is "driving under the influence", either alcohol or drugs, and both impair your abilities while driving.
Whatever works to make people making stupid choices and having the rest of us deal with the consequences.
Honestly, you probably shouldn't be allowed to drive, a vehicle is very deadly and even if their is a chance you can prevent your loss of life or the loss of an other is more important than a convenience, grant it that sucks and my heart goes out to you but there has to be a better solution that works for you and keeps everyone safe.
I have zero tolerance for drugs taken, like alcohol it's a sign of a mental instability, and people over medicate to the point they make poor choices, like everything else people go habitually overboard and then act surprised when they have to pay the consequences for their physical and mental weakness.
 

yRaz

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DUI is "driving under the influence", either alcohol or drugs, and both impair your abilities while driving.
Whatever works to make people making stupid choices and having the rest of us deal with the consequences.
Honestly, you probably shouldn't be allowed to drive, a vehicle is very deadly and even if their is a chance you can prevent your loss of life or the loss of an other is more important than a convenience, grant it that sucks and my heart goes out to you but there has to be a better solution that works for you and keeps everyone safe.
I have zero tolerance for drugs taken, like alcohol it's a sign of a mental instability, and people over medicate to the point they make poor choices, like everything else people go habitually overboard and then act surprised when they have to pay the consequences for their physical and mental weakness.
Millions of people take what I take for my epilepsy legally and if the levels in our system correlate to our prescription, we are allowed to operate machinery. If you had any delectable amount in your system without a prescription you could get a DUI. Will I need to provide car with my prescription details in order to drive? Am in gonna have to make coffee before I leave for work in the morning instead of stopping at my favorite local store?

Further, there are no guidelines on how this will work, just that auto makers have to do "something." I'm not against this because I want people to drive under the influence, I'm against it because by its very nature it is flawed
 

Rayneofpayne

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Millions of people take what I take for my epilepsy legally and if the levels in our system correlate to our prescription, we are allowed to operate machinery. If you had any delectable amount in your system without a prescription you could get a DUI. Will I need to provide car with my prescription details in order to drive? Am in gonna have to make coffee before I leave for work in the morning instead of stopping at my favorite local store?

Further, there are no guidelines on how this will work, just that auto makers have to do "something." I'm not against this because I want people to drive under the influence, I'm against it because by its very nature it is flawed
Question for you, would you rather have a non biased computer AI saying yes or no, rather than a biased human?
Out of all the alternatives an AI will do what it is programmed to do, grant it as you have said there are no exact initiatives yet in place, but hypothetically if it can say you are not in a shape or form to drive, and keeps you safe and or from harming others, what is the problem with that exactly?
Personally I really do feel most of if not almost all of US drivers are deplorable and probably shouldn't be allowed to drive and it couldn't come sooner than to have self driving cars that are better than the current humans driving.
Then all of this can be removed from the equation.
 

Austinturner

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Question for you, would you rather have a non biased computer AI saying yes or no, rather than a biased human?
Out of all the alternatives an AI will do what it is programmed to do, grant it as you have said there are no exact initiatives yet in place, but hypothetically if it can say you are not in a shape or form to drive, and keeps you safe and or from harming others, what is the problem with that exactly?
Personally I really do feel most of if not almost all of US drivers are deplorable and probably shouldn't be allowed to drive and it couldn't come sooner than to have self driving cars that are better than the current humans driving.
Then all of this can be removed from the equation.
What does the US do? In Australia the police have breathalysers and portable drug detection swabs, you’ll be tested in random stops or if you have an accident, if you come up over the limit you go to the police station for a test on calibrated equipment and that reading is used for any prosecution. You then go to court where you can argue for any extenuating circumstances etc. There is no interpretation in DUI here?
 

yRaz

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Question for you, would you rather have a non biased computer AI saying yes or no, rather than a biased human?
Out of all the alternatives an AI will do what it is programmed to do, grant it as you have said there are no exact initiatives yet in place, but hypothetically if it can say you are not in a shape or form to drive, and keeps you safe and or from harming others, what is the problem with that exactly?
Personally I really do feel most of if not almost all of US drivers are deplorable and probably shouldn't be allowed to drive and it couldn't come sooner than to have self driving cars that are better than the current humans driving.
Then all of this can be removed from the equation.
I don't want a computer confusing me being tired for being drunk when im on my way to work in the morning. I don't want this system in a vehicle I own and paid for. I'm sure my boss would love to hear,"I can't come in today, my car thinks I'm drunk."

Although I do agree many drivers are horrible. I often drive over a thousand miles a week for work and I have a lot of experience with other drivers.

I do feel that a system like this shouldn't be in place until we have cars that are capable of 100% self driving.
 

yRaz

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What does the US do? In Australia the police have breathalysers and portable drug detection swabs, you’ll be tested in random stops or if you have an accident, if you come up over the limit you go to the police station for a test on calibrated equipment and that reading is used for any prosecution. You then go to court where you can argue for any extenuating circumstances etc. There is no interpretation in DUI here?
No, we have what are called mandatory minimums. The process is similar, they will breathalyze you, if you pass they can force you to take a blood test, refusal results in an automatic DUI. We also have random check points. Same with accidents, if you are in an accident you will be forced to goto a hospital to have a blood test done
 

Prrredictable

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No, we have what are called mandatory minimums. The process is similar, they will breathalyze you, if you pass they can force you to take a blood test, refusal results in an automatic DUI. We also have random check points. Same with accidents, if you are in an accident you will be forced to goto a hospital to have a blood test done
I'm not sure where you live, but in my state forced blood tests are absolutely not legal unless you're suspected of committing one of a few serious offenses such as DUI with death, involuntary manslaughter, etc.
 

captaincranky

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Or states could idk just forbid that person from obtaining a license after convicted, and people will have no choice but to stop when considering even the though of driving home from a bar or intoxicated.
That's a great idea. It's a shame it's so naive and idealistic.

Taking away a drunken driver's license, oftentimes results in them driving drunk on a suspended or revoked license, and killing someone else in the process.

Having a habitual drinker's license pulled, pretty much elicits the same response as asking someone to put on a mask who doesn't want to wear one. "You're infringing on my constitutional rights". They generally consider driving as a "right", and not the actual privilege that it is.
 

Rayneofpayne

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That's a great idea. It's a shame it's so naive and idealistic.

Taking away a drunken driver's license, oftentimes results in them driving drunk on a suspended or revoked license, and killing someone else in the process.

Having a habitual drinker's license pulled, pretty much elicits the same response as asking someone to put on a mask who doesn't want to wear one. "You're infringing on my constitutional rights". They generally consider driving as a "right", and not the actual privilege that it is.
No, because depending on the state they will be behind bars before they can kill anybody..
Driving is not a right in any state, all 50 states in bi-laws it is listed as a privilege for the reason that they can pull your license. No where does it say it is your constitutional right to drive, and judging by how the average American does drive it should never be a right because people are terrible failing to follow the most simplistic directions.
The simplest solution is often the most ideal and people like to think they are more smart than they are, creating overly complex solutions to simplest problems. Generally they are morons and fake.
 

captaincranky

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No, because depending on the state they will be behind bars before they can kill anybody..
Driving is not a right in any state, all 50 states in bi-laws it is listed as a privilege for the reason that they can pull your license. No where does it say it is your constitutional right to drive, and judging by how the average American does drive it should never be a right because people are terrible failing to follow the most simplistic directions.
The simplest solution is often the most ideal and people like to think they are more smart than they are, creating overly complex solutions to simplest problems. Generally they are morons and fake.
I\m puzzled as to why you quoted my post, and then repeated everything I said back to me.

I'm well aware driving is a "privilege", and not a "right'".

I've also had experience with chronic alcoholics.Some can be rehabilitated, some flat out can't.

Now I'll tell you something you're apparently not aware of. Drunk driving isn't punishable by life in prison, in any state.

And if you should kill somebody while driving drunk, here are the penalties, across the US.,


Simple DUI, no aggravating circumstances. are prosecuted as a misdemeanor.
 
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