Did Covid-19 spread during the Consumer Electronics Show?

Shawn Knight

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Bottom line: For its part, CES organizers told APM Reports that they aren’t aware of any confirmed cases of Covid-19 from the conference. A single antibody test result isn’t enough to conclude that Covid-19 was indeed present at CES. It is plausible that the person in question contracted the virus afterwards but didn’t show any symptoms. Perhaps his post-CES sickness was just another type of illness – conference crud, as it is commonly called.

APM Reports has published evidence that it claims likely suggests Covid-19 was circulating in the US far earlier than believed, perhaps spreading during the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in early January.

The publication points to the positive results of an antibody test received this week for Michael Webber, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin. Webber, who also works for a global energy firm out of Paris, was one of more than 170,000 attendees from 160+ countries that showed up for the event in early January.

According to APM Reports, Webber also stopped in Hawaii, Southern California and San Francisco on his way to Las Vegas for CES.

Like several others, Webber started feeling ill by the time the four-day conference had concluded. On the last day of the show, Webber tweeted that the Las Vegas airport sounded like an infirmary with “all sorts of people sneezing & coughing.”

The publication cites several other mentions on Twitter from people who had attended CES and felt terrible afterwards.

Fortunately, Webber recovered. This week, he received the results for a serology test conducted in late April that can identify antibodies “that indicate a person has recovered from the Covid-19 virus.” The test he took “revealed what he had suspected,” the publication said, adding that it was manufactured by Guangzhou Wondfo Biotech, a company that sells pregnancy tests to Amazon and Walmart.

The test was “approved by the Chinese equivalent of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and is available in the United States under emergency guidelines.” Furthermore, it is 99 percent effective according to the manufacturer but hasn’t been approved by the FDA in the US.

Webber told the publication that he hasn’t been sick or traveled since feeling ill in January.

As someone that has attended CES four times, I can attest that it is not uncommon to feel bad after the show. CES officially runs for four days but in reality, most people are there earlier to cover press events and may even stay after to get work done, see the city or let the crowds die down at the airport. During the madness, you’re constantly on the go, shaking hands with all sort of strangers, bumping shoulders on the show floor, handling gadgets that thousands of others have had their mitts on, partying all hours of the night and running on just a few hours of sleep. Factor in plane rides to and from Las Vegas and yeah, you’re probably going to get sick.

Then again, a massive trade show like CES would be the perfect incubator for a virus to spread, especially if hardly anyone knew about it. It could also explain why there are so many cases in the US and how the virus could have spread around the globe so quickly and efficiently.

But as Dr. Chin-Hong, of UCSF's School of Medicine, correctly notes, more “old fashioned sleuthing” is needed to determine if CES truly played a role in the spread of Covid-19.

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CBTex

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You know what would be the ultimate kick in the nuts, if we find out this thing spread earlier than thought, caused relative minor symptoms in millions of undiagnosed people and our lovely political class destroyed 40+ million jobs and untold thousands of small businesses for nothing. All this so that the Republicans and Democrats could argue with each other trying to score political points.
 

Markoni35

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Totally irrelevant, since COVID is an artificially spread virus. It magically appeared in Iran, skipping all the countries between China and Iran. It's pretty clear someone who hates Iran spread it there (which means, not China, because China has nothing against Iran).

Also, there are 8 variations of COVID currently in circulation. They didn't mutate naturally. Some countries received the worst variation (Iran, Italy, Spain), others received a very mild variation (Israel) that caused almost no problems. That may also be an indicator of the origin of the virus.
 
Totally irrelevant, since COVID is an artificially spread virus. It magically appeared in Iran, skipping all the countries between China and Iran. It's pretty clear someone who hates Iran spread it there (which means, not China, because China has nothing against Iran).

Also, there are 8 variations of COVID currently in circulation. They didn't mutate naturally. Some countries received the worst variation (Iran, Italy, Spain), others received a very mild variation (Israel) that caused almost no problems. That may also be an indicator of the origin of the virus.

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man
 

Theinsanegamer

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It's been spreading since before then. The current estimated R0 rate of corona is 9.7, higher then smallpox. The strange, severe cold that has been spreading throughout the US, characterized by a multi week long cough, fever, body chills, breathing difficulties, and higher then normal pneumonia rates has been reported since at least August, and matches the symptoms of Coronavirus. Some of those tested for the flu due to these symptoms back in December/January have had antibody tests conducted, many have corona antibodies despite not being sick after the not-a-flu.

Nobody noticed or cared until China shut down WuHan. The more evidence is collected the more proof their is that Corona has been around for a lot longer then most predicted.
Totally irrelevant, since COVID is an artificially spread virus. It magically appeared in Iran, skipping all the countries between China and Iran. It's pretty clear someone who hates Iran spread it there (which means, not China, because China has nothing against Iran).

Also, there are 8 variations of COVID currently in circulation. They didn't mutate naturally. Some countries received the worst variation (Iran, Italy, Spain), others received a very mild variation (Israel) that caused almost no problems. That may also be an indicator of the origin of the virus.
Mate, there are over 30 confirmed strains. It didnt pop up magically anywhere, you could watch it spread as flights from china continued into affected areas. It likely sprad throughout the surrounding areas without alarm because most medical systems and medical tracking in the middle east are abysmally bad, and Iran, the first country in the middle east to record a sizeable number, was lying out their teeth about true numbers, their testing was spotty at best and they were spreading "facts" like praying would make you immune.

Same thing happened with H1N1 in 2009. Nobody knows the true death toll, official numbers are 190K, unofficial is over 500k because SE asia and the middle east (and china) barely tracked cases, so nobody knows how many truly dies in these areas.

Viruses mutate naturally. Look up how many hundreds of strains and sub strains of influenza there are. The exterior spikes of Coronavirus are not mutating, however, which means a vaccine/medication that specifically targets corona would be at least somewhat effective against all strains, similar to diseases like smallpox.

There is 0 evidence of it being an artificial spread, and you honestly want us to believe that the governments of the world could somehow keep such an operation undercover? Please.
Let's not obfuscate the origins of this.
First confirmed case was middle of November in Wuhan, china. However, illnesses matching corona symptoms have been reported far earlier, and the likes of the CDC are testing these earlier cases for Coronavirus. Preliminary antibody testing being 50-85 times more prevalent would indicate this disease has been spreading since at least August-October, depending on estimated R0 intensity.
 

EClyde

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Totally irrelevant, since COVID is an artificially spread virus. It magically appeared in Iran, skipping all the countries between China and Iran. It's pretty clear someone who hates Iran spread it there (which means, not China, because China has nothing against Iran).

Also, there are 8 variations of COVID currently in circulation. They didn't mutate naturally. Some countries received the worst variation (Iran, Italy, Spain), others received a very mild variation (Israel) that caused almost no problems. That may also be an indicator of the origin of the virus.
Better call Cuomo. You guys can lift weights
 

dms96960

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Totally irrelevant, since COVID is an artificially spread virus. It magically appeared in Iran, skipping all the countries between China and Iran. It's pretty clear someone who hates Iran spread it there (which means, not China, because China has nothing against Iran).

Also, there are 8 variations of COVID currently in circulation. They didn't mutate naturally. Some countries received the worst variation (Iran, Italy, Spain), others received a very mild variation (Israel) that caused almost no problems. That may also be an indicator of the origin of the virus.

Which strain do you have?
 

Uncle Al

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Even the press is reporting that the first infections happened in early January. As of yesterday there is a story of evidence that it existed in A-Symptomatic carriers even months earlier than that.
 

EClyde

Posts: 2,394   +943
Totally irrelevant, since COVID is an artificially spread virus. It magically appeared in Iran, skipping all the countries between China and Iran. It's pretty clear someone who hates Iran spread it there (which means, not China, because China has nothing against Iran).

Also, there are 8 variations of COVID currently in circulation. They didn't mutate naturally. Some countries received the worst variation (Iran, Italy, Spain), others received a very mild variation (Israel) that caused almost no problems. That may also be an indicator of the origin of the virus.
It's pretty obvious that Iran and China have VERY close ties
 

Markoni35

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It's pretty obvious that Iran and China have VERY close ties

They have close ties, Iran is providing oil to China, while China in return sells advanced technology to Iran. That's why China wouldn't spread virus to Iran. Whoever has spread the virus hates both China and Iran. Hmmmm... that immediately points to a few suspects.
 

Markoni35

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Which strain do you have?

Probably the same you have. Corona is such a common virus that shutting down entire economy for a little bit stronger flu is totally *****ic. In the last 10 years we've had silent pandemics of much stronger viruses than COVID-19 that have killed a lot more people than COVID. Last one was in 2016/2017.

And yet, there was no panic, lockdowns or even TV news about those pandemics. In fact, the virus wasn't even named. If you had symptoms and visited a doctor, he would say something like: "It's some kind of a virus".

We weren't this stupid 3 years ago, so why are we panicking now, with a lot less deaths? Because someone has decided it's time for another global economic crisis. The one from 2008 has started to decline. Time for the countries to take new loans.
 

waterytowers

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Probably the same you have. Corona is such a common virus that shutting down entire economy for a little bit stronger flu is totally *****ic. In the last 10 years we've had silent pandemics of much stronger viruses than COVID-19 that have killed a lot more people than COVID. Last one was in 2016/2017.

And yet, there was no panic, lockdowns or even TV news about those pandemics. In fact, the virus wasn't even named. If you had symptoms and visited a doctor, he would say something like: "It's some kind of a virus".

We weren't this stupid 3 years ago, so why are we panicking now, with a lot less deaths? Because someone has decided it's time for another global economic crisis. The one from 2008 has started to decline. Time for the countries to take new loans.

Maybe you should listen to one of the researchers that is looking for a vaccine. A doctor and much smarter person than most of us.
It is not just about people dieing it is about having the hospital beds to handle the number of sick. Not enough beds will raise the number that die. For this virus the other issue is there are not enough machines needed to keep people alive. If this virus is left to run riot in a country like America, you will see the number of dead escalate. Don't listen to politicians for medical advice, they pay advisors to tell them what they want to hear and often the newspapers are not much better.

This is not to say it was spread by someone on purpose, I doubt we will ever know the answer to that question. There will definitely be someone making huge profits from this though, maybe look at who benefits from the virus...

We do need to deal with the global problem in front of us. Are you happy to have friends or family die if it is preventable? I think it makes sense to isolate towns/states/countries that are virus free and let them continue to work without anything but sensible distancing and sanitization. This could allow parts of countries to keep working and reducing the economic effect. This should be left up to the town and it inhabitants though, provided they do not spread it to neighboring towns. This is not a normal flu.

I am lucky I live in Australia and we have been much less effected by the virus, mostly because we are an island and well spread out so distancing is not so hard, and we have had a bit of luck no doubt. In Victoria we have a PM that seems to make sense and is keeping things closed until the number of cases has dropped to zero. Our Federal PM Scomo was happy to go to sporting events the weekend the virus started to take off, he is an *****. He also went on holiday while our country burned.
 

ddg4005

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You know what would be the ultimate kick in the nuts, if we find out this thing spread earlier than thought, caused relative minor symptoms in millions of undiagnosed people and our lovely political class destroyed 40+ million jobs and untold thousands of small businesses for nothing. All this so that the Republicans and Democrats could argue with each other trying to score political points.

My thoughts exactly.