Jad Chaar
Posts: 6,481 +977
True.
DirectX 11.2 said to be a Windows 8.1 / Xbox One exclusive
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True.
Microsoft have always used DirectX and IE as ways to force unwilling consumers to upgrade to newer OS's they neither need nor want.
It's very annoying. As a web developer MS's attitude to browser updates has causes me huge pain. The web would be so much better place if MS's made IE just a normal application (like Chrome and Firefox) which can be upgraded to the latest version whenever that arrives, and didn't pretend that directx and IE are built into the OS at some system level. Instead we are stuck wiith this cycle where game devs and all the web sites in the world have to cope with multiple versions of DirectX and multiple flavours of IE browser most of which should have been dead and buried long ago.
Its also really damaging to Microsoft as their reputation is so tarnished these days by IE8 (which has absolutely zero understanding of HTML5) and which is still out there on millions of XP machines that corporations and private users just don't want to upgrade. So many of the websites you visit are compromised in order to cope with this dinosaur.
It's very annoying. As a web developer MS's attitude to browser updates has causes me huge pain. The web would be so much better place if MS's made IE just a normal application (like Chrome and Firefox) which can be upgraded to the latest version whenever that arrives, and didn't pretend that directx and IE are built into the OS at some system level. Instead we are stuck wiith this cycle where game devs and all the web sites in the world have to cope with multiple versions of DirectX and multiple flavours of IE browser most of which should have been dead and buried long ago.
Its also really damaging to Microsoft as their reputation is so tarnished these days by IE8 (which has absolutely zero understanding of HTML5) and which is still out there on millions of XP machines that corporations and private users just don't want to upgrade. So many of the websites you visit are compromised in order to cope with this dinosaur.
Nobina
Posts: 4,645 +5,737
I don't expect them to go back to the drawing board, but I did expect them to go the Windows 7 way, I'm not the only one for sure. And I didn't say they won't make much money, bad sales did.
All the big game engines for PC use Directx internally - Unreal Engine, Cry Engine etc. Directx is a Hardware Abstraction Layer between the engine and the card. Without guaranteed support for dx11.2 those engines and the games which use them will either have perform certain tasks in different ways based on which dx version you have or if the devs don't have the time/inclination not use 11.2 features at all. Neither of these situations is ideal.
Will somebody, please, make a decent OS for the PC and develop opengl? Google, Facebook, China? I don`t care, I`m sick and tired of this endless discussion. Of course they want to squeeze more money and if it hadn`t been for Sony they would have gotten away with the same customer buttfxcking on the consoles.
Xclusiveitalian
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Mess with the PC gamers and you end up getting hacked.
Railman
Posts: 708 +100
That graphic of the X looks like the tacky X factor ident. Says it all!
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Cliffordcooley
God bless you and your 64 bit windows too.
Interesting mind but not mine.
When I buy a new house and live there, I will dont drop my dogs into river and buy new ones because they not compatible with the new doghouse.
God bless you and your 64 bit windows too.
Interesting mind but not mine.
When I buy a new house and live there, I will dont drop my dogs into river and buy new ones because they not compatible with the new doghouse.
Camikazi
Posts: 982 +339
That is called smoke and mirrors along with PAE switch (which is turned off for a good reason BTW), it doesn't help much. BTW even with that patch if the wrong program or driver tries to access above the actual limit your system will crash and it still won't be as fast as an x64 system doing the same thing.
technogiant
Posts: 30 +14
Does this really need an OS upgrade? Would it not be easy for game developers to steal a bit of system RAM to use exclusively as a sort of ram disk texture streaming cache?
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The question is: will this make them money? How many users will be pushed away to other software or hardware in preference to having to work with windows hate? How many will think twice about buying a new windows version if this will happen every year or two?
Why can't they just charge people $5 to use this with windows 7?
Why can't they just charge people $5 to use this with windows 7?
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They may get a few home users with this but corporate users will not come over to windows hate because of it. The main reason for sticking with windows is that staff know how to use it. If they are going to have to retrain everyone to use 8, what will persuade them to stick with windows at all?
Burty117
Posts: 5,558 +4,401
From what I've read this is compatible with any card that is DX11 compatible? Well that means every card since the Nvidia 400 series and every ATI card since the 5000 series are compatible however, This is an obvious attempt to move people away from Windows XP, Vista and 7, I honestly don't think it'll work.
Also, Not sure if any game devs are here but I was wondering if some of the features in 11.2 can be implemented at an Engine level? Such as the ability to stream textures from RAM? If so, I wonder if it would get implemented since the majority of Gamers (at least based on the Steam Hardware Survey http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc have Windows 7?
Also, Not sure if any game devs are here but I was wondering if some of the features in 11.2 can be implemented at an Engine level? Such as the ability to stream textures from RAM? If so, I wonder if it would get implemented since the majority of Gamers (at least based on the Steam Hardware Survey http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc have Windows 7?
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I see a lot of people going on here about how MS are trying to force you to move on and how you won't do it. Fair enough, I don't think they care in the slightest. Eventually though there will be games you want to play and you will move on.
Supporting old operating systems with new versions of DirectX takes a considerable amount of extra code and has negative performance implications. I'd be happier with a game running in win 8.1 that only runs in win 8.1, but runs well, rather than having reduced speed because *****s refuse to move off of WinXP. Thankfully MS are starting to get rid of ancient backwards compatibility, which is the way it should be.
To be honest I don't understand what you Win7 users are complaining about. Win8 is practically Win7, just no start bar and no 3d Win+Tab. My system runs faster in Win8 than it did in Win7 and the 8.1 upgrade should improve it further.
Supporting old operating systems with new versions of DirectX takes a considerable amount of extra code and has negative performance implications. I'd be happier with a game running in win 8.1 that only runs in win 8.1, but runs well, rather than having reduced speed because *****s refuse to move off of WinXP. Thankfully MS are starting to get rid of ancient backwards compatibility, which is the way it should be.
To be honest I don't understand what you Win7 users are complaining about. Win8 is practically Win7, just no start bar and no 3d Win+Tab. My system runs faster in Win8 than it did in Win7 and the 8.1 upgrade should improve it further.
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If you really are a web developer then you really need to do some studying. IE is an application and can be upgraded independently of the operating system. The reason old operating systems don;t get a new browser is as the operating system gains new functions, old functions become deprecated and eventually get dropped. Too many features got dropped between XP and Win7 for them to be able to make new version of IE backwards compatible with XP.
What you are commenting on here is the exact thing you want however. Microsoft are refusing to make software backwards compatible to encourage users to being their operating systems, browser and graphics libraries up to date. That's what you should want as a developer.
The idea of keeping an old operating system going forever and just continuing to patch and fix the software is ludicrous. At some point they have to say "This is the new OS, you have to use it as we no longer support that one". This is exactly the same as how you can't use 16 bit software on 64 bit machines natively.
What you are commenting on here is the exact thing you want however. Microsoft are refusing to make software backwards compatible to encourage users to being their operating systems, browser and graphics libraries up to date. That's what you should want as a developer.
The idea of keeping an old operating system going forever and just continuing to patch and fix the software is ludicrous. At some point they have to say "This is the new OS, you have to use it as we no longer support that one". This is exactly the same as how you can't use 16 bit software on 64 bit machines natively.
Zilpha
Posts: 316 +4
Every company is in the business of making money. Some have a quality product that people are happy to pay for, and some have a mediocre product and try to bully you into buying it.
This isn't an "incentive". An incentive is added value to a product that would make someone on the fence take the leap. There are very few, if any, people "on the fence" about Windows 8. For desktop and laptop PC users who don't want to inconvenience themselves just for the sake of saying they have the highest release number of an OS - we're happily going to stay with 7 as long as we can (or until M$ gets their heads our of their arses).
Railman
Posts: 708 +100
I was under the impression that Vista, W7 and W8 have a great deal in common so producing a browser that works for those operating systems should be relatively straight forward. As XP is so radically different I can see why MS have an argument not supporting that version. Frankly they are just motivated by greed.
treetops
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