Donald Trump tells Apple to "get rid" of diversity programs after shareholders back them
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Just provide some evidence man. If we are so wrong, shut up and provide evidence to support your argument.
I have no problem providing evidence to support mine, and none of you even want me to do that because you know how easy it would be.
Ohnooze
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Techspot knows how to get the clicks these days.
And thus we have an answer to why certain users haven't been banned.
It's all just to feed the advertisers, and we're all the bait.
machineheart
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you are sooo close to figuring this out it almost hurts!
BogdanR
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Well, in the movie Stephen walks a tightrope of loyalty and betrayal, balancing his allegiance to his master with the silent contempt of his peers.
Trapped Nowhere
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Except people HAVE cared about it... and while it began in the 60s officially, it didn't really become a "living thing" until the murder of George Floyd in 2020...
OK, not ALL policies... but any policies intended to bring about dramatic LONGTERM change, by definition, can't be judged until decades have gone by.
There is certainly merit to this - I'm no Trump supporter, and one of my main complaints about him is how he has helped to polarize your nation - and then exploited it to get elected.
No... it's faced a LOT of criticism from both the Democrats and Repbulicans (I won't say "left" and "right" as your country doesn't really have a "left" - just "right" and "more right")
Here is some "evidence" for you... although I find it quite telling that you ask others to "shut up if you don't have evidence" without providing any of your own....
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Many studies - notable a Harvard Business one in 2016 - found that mandatory diversity training often fails to improve outcomes and can even backfire by increasing resistance among employees.
A 2022 report by the Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM) noted that many companies struggle to measure whether DEI initiatives translate into real change.
A 2023 paper by researchers from the University of Michigan and Princeton found that overly rigid DEI policies can lead to resentment, with some employees viewing them as political mandates rather than genuine inclusion efforts.
Some businesses have reported a decline in morale due to perceived favoritism or tokenism, where DEI efforts prioritize certain groups over others rather than fostering inclusivity.
A 2021 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) found that anti-bias training programs, a common DEI tool, do not reliably reduce bias in hiring or promotions over the long term.
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Now, here's the thing... DEI, as a "concept" is fine. Ideally, every company should have a diverse selection of peoples/cultures/religions/etc representing the population they serve. But this was always a political way to make this happen!
To have true diversity, you need to address the root causes of WHY MINORITIES AREN'T QUALIFIED for certain jobs. If a certain ethnicity lives in terrible conditions, receives subpar education and is treated like dirt by the rest of the population, simply forcing businesses to hire them won't serve any purpose.
We need to bring social programs to provide ways for these people to get the eduction/training/funding they need to BECOME QUALIFIED.
Of course, this is a lot harder and more expensive to do for any government - hence DEI.
dangh
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Does colour of people skin make impossible to be a racist? lol...
If you had to work twice as hard to get same job because of colour of your skin it clearly shows that DEI is needed so people who work as hard as other have same opportunities as other. Right now you work as 2 people for salary of 1 person. It is like modern slavery, and surely not an equal chances.
Diversity training not being effective doesn't mean it's bad, nor is it the same as what "DEI" typically refers to. It's related, but not the same thing.
Businesses that push DEI too far and create resentment obviously only have themselves to blame. Yoy could say the same for a business that pushes anti-DEI policies or any other policy beyond the point of reason.
Claiming that it hasn't been very effective is not the same as claiming that it's actually caused harm, which on anything but one off small scale instances, it certainly hasn't.
You can find a few one off examples about anything when it's a national issue. If you're not looking for general trends, then your just cherry picking whatever supports your bias.
dirtyferret
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DEI is just code for a dog whistle to the maga base. No different than critical race theory before it. These people could not define critical race theory, they can't define DEI now. Their entire position comes down to "white people (particularity male) can't catch a break".
Again - see my previous post about it not being possible to provide concrete evidence - papers like this show a disturbing trend though....
And... where's your evidence supporting DEI's miraculous transformation of our society into a tolerant utopia?
Yup. And even beyond that, republicans always break the economy in some way and then blame POC for it. Make things worse for everyone except themselves and their rich donors while keeping enough white people angry at minorities, blaming them for the thing the politicians are actually doing on purpose.
Saying a thing repeatedly doesn't make it any less wrong.
And ignoring the fact that DEI's biggest hurdle is just the imaginary stigma that magas have created around it is disingenuous at best.
Create the problem, and then look for other to blame. Republican tactics 101.
So... to quote you... GIVE SOME EVIDENCE to support your side...
Because all of YOUR posts have either repeated the same thing, or accused another poster of being racist...
I did link an article already. I can link more if you need.
Your characterization of my posts is wholly innacurate.
Plutoisaplanet
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Then why are you giving into the bait and fueling the issue? Who cares if someone says something you disagree with, you don't have to respond.
The real question is not if DEI hiring practices are needed because a problem exists, but why there is a problem and how to solve it. If you think the problem is that hiring practices at some companies are racist, well yes that would offset it. And that's why DEI was created in the beginning, along with why there are HBCUs. That's why "historical" is in the name too.
But the problem is no longer caused by the workplace. Elementary to high school education, upbringing, and home life don't set up many young people for success. DEI is not the solution to that, and it is not specific to only minorities either (though obviously affecting a greater % of population of some minorities).
I also don't see any problem at all with inequality in sex. People from some genders have affinity to some careers/fields and not others. Having few female engineers has nothing to do with racism and it's not a problem to be fixed. Otherwise having few male nurses would be a problem, but it's not. The reason there are fewer female engineers is the same reason there are fewer female construction or oil workers. It's just not a feminine job, so I'm sorry that few women are interested in it but I don't see the problem.
lol, that was even less useful than mine
So prove it... You remind me of the Monty Python "argument" sketch... your're not arguing, you're just contradicting
There is some logic in showing opposition to blatantly ignorant and racist ideology, even if it doesn't work on the people I reply to.
Contradictions are part of an argument. If you say something that's wrong, I will likely contradict that.lol, that was even less useful than mine
So prove it... You remind me of the Monty Python "argument" sketch... your're not arguing, you're just contradicting
46 Diversity in the Workplace Statistics to Know | Built In
Understanding diversity in the workplace statistics is important for making DEI a priority at work — here are some key statistics to know.
builtin.com
machineheart
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To Pluto and Squid - I'm sure republicans will have plenty of social programs to address the underlying issues that led to DEI, they're def known as the party that supports these!
Joey Rakas
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There was a particular person who lived on earth some 2000 years ago who had the best idea! Shoot it was something like treating each other as we would want to be treated? I think it was called the "Golden Rule"? If people actually lived by, and practiced that standard alone, these pointless points of view would simply not exist. They only exist because bad people, like doing bad things, and care more for themselves above all others, no matter the outcome. They lie about things, even to themselves. And theses very lies have been passed down from one generation to the next. They are very much embedded in *most* all culture.
Did you actually READ the link you sent as "proof"... it actually "proves" nothing... but implies that DEI isn't working!!Contradictions are part of an argument. If you say something that's wrong, I will likely contradict that.
46 Diversity in the Workplace Statistics to Know | Built In
Understanding diversity in the workplace statistics is important for making DEI a priority at work — here are some key statistics to know.
I'm sorry you can't read. That's not what the article says.
Here's another one:
The backlash against diversity, equity and inclusion in business is in full force − but myths obscure the real value of DEI
Diversity, equity and inclusion are good for the bottom line.
theconversation.com
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