E-waste or Linux? Charities face tough choices as Windows 10 support ends

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In a nutshell: As Microsoft prepares to end free security updates for Windows 10 in October, a significant challenge looms for charities that refurbish and distribute older computers to those in need. With an estimated 240 million PCs unable to meet the stringent hardware requirements for Windows 11, these organizations face a difficult decision: provide potentially insecure Windows 10 systems, send them to e-waste recyclers, or explore alternative operating systems like Linux.

Microsoft's requirements for Windows 11 include a 1GHz or faster CPU with at least two cores, 4GB of RAM, 64GB of storage, Secure Boot capability, and TPM 2.0 compatibility. However, the supported Intel CPU list only goes back to 8th Gen chips, introduced in 2017, while the AMD list includes Ryzen 2000 series and above.

This means many relatively recent and powerful computers are ineligible for the upgrade, despite having ample RAM and storage.

"Deploying Windows 10 at this time is a bad idea," Chester Wisniewski, director and global field CISO for Sophos, told Tom's Hardware."The writing is on the wall. Microsoft has made the internal decision to obsolete this equipment, so I guess they just don't want more people to use Windows."

Wisniewski notes that Windows 10 and Windows 11 share a largely common codebase, meaning vulnerabilities patched in one can often be exploited in the other. On recent Patch Tuesdays, dozens of vulnerabilities were addressed, with some already being exploited by criminals before fixes were available.

Besides the security implications, charities that remain on Windows 10 must consider other risks, such as compliance.

For instance, charity shops using Windows 10 for electronic point-of-sale systems will face potential compliance issues with regulations like GDPR once support ends. Non-compliance can result in significant fines, damaging the charity's reputation and financial stability.

The issue of e-waste also looms large, with only 14 to 40 percent of US electronic waste being recycled. This could lead to an estimated 1.06 billion pounds of e-waste, equivalent to the weight of 320,000 cars. When electronic devices are not recycled, they can end up in landfills, where toxic substances like lead, mercury, and cadmium can leach into the soil. The contamination affects soil quality, making it unsuitable for agriculture, and poses risks to drinking water supplies and aquatic ecosystems. Additionally, burning e-waste releases harmful fumes into the atmosphere.

This amount of e-waste isn't just impacting the environment. According to the UN, the net annual economic cost of e-waste is $37 billion. Unless improvements are made to e-waste management and policies, it is expected to reach $40 billion by 2030.

Despite these concerns, many users will continue running Windows 10. According to Statcounter, Windows 10 still accounts for 58.7 percent of all Windows installations, compared to 38.1 percent for Windows 11. The likelihood of all these systems being upgraded or replaced by October is low, and even fewer users will opt for Microsoft's Extended Security Update program, which costs $61 per year.

Tom's points out that charities like PCs for People are taking steps to avoid this issue. CEO Casey Sorensen explained that they discontinued distributing Windows 10 a year before the cutoff and now focus on Linux Mint for older systems. "We will distribute Linux laptops that are 6th or 7th gen. If we distribute a Windows laptop, it will be 8th gen or newer," Sorensen tells the publication.

PCs for People refurbishes 140,000 PCs annually, offering affordable options to low-income individuals and sending older units to recyclers.

Sorensen notes that attitudes toward Linux have changed over time. "Ten years ago, if we distributed Linux, they would be like 'What is it?'" he says. Today, many users view their computers primarily as gateways to the internet, making user-friendly Linux distributions like Mint more acceptable.

However, Linux still lacks some popular applications, such as Microsoft Office and Slack, though alternatives are available.

As charities navigate the challenges of obsolete systems, they must balance the need for secure computing with the environmental impact of disposal. Whatever path they choose, it's clear that many users will continue running Windows 10 beyond its support lifecycle, leaving them vulnerable to emerging threats.

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I see we're going for virtue signalling and rage bait today. Let's see if we can get all the usual comments out of the way.

"Micro$oft can shove Windows 11. I'm still running Windows 7/10 are have no plans on upgrading."
"Doesn't affect me. I've been running Linux for X years and never looked back"
"Typical corporate greed punishing the little guy"
"Windows hasn't been good since Windows XP"

I've probably missed some classics, but oh well.
 
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Haters gonna hate.
 
I switched to Linux when Windows XP came out and Im fine... Play games on Steam, surf the internet, use e-mail, create music, pictures, even use it in my day-to-day job.

I even use Slack, Signal, and Discord natively on Linux. There are downloadable applications for these on the vendor site for Linux and in the Linux distribution's app page..

Plex, Spotify, my wife even uses the iTunes application on her Linux KDE desktop - so does her mom.

MS Office 365 can be used without issue on Linux with a browser. But there are great alternatives for NORMAL users like Libreoffice, Openoffice (Might be older releases), OnlyOffice, and so on.

My wife, mother, tons of friends and allot of others that use Linux too these days. Just look on Reddit in any of the Linux subreddits and the linux_gaming subreddit. People are migrating to Linux in droves and asking questions.

There really is no excuse for normal users to be able to use Linux anymore. Sure, there are edge cases, but for 70% - 80% (Or higher) of the eWaste that is coming this year - Linux will be great for those cases!

This year just may be the year of the Linux desktop, thanks mostly to Microsoft LOL
 
Windows 10 LTSC 2021 is supported until 2032. Just thought I'd mention it...
I like this idea, but where you can you get reasonable priced license for this?

Last I heard on Youtube, it was in the hundreds of dollars - LTSC is mainly for IoT, POS, industrial, etc.

Its a shame, however, that M$ cant just make a version for home users with this technology in it. There isnt the extreme hardware requirements for LTSC as for normal Win 11
 
I have over 20 pc's I forced over to win 11 that technically are not supported. I will say though for normal use many 4 core or under pcs's are very slow today and are getting long in tooth. ssd upgrade is a must. Even then win10 and win 11 cpu usage using normal app jumps many time to 100% . I personally dont see why people think they should support an os for almost forever? Also if smart enough just force load win11 if you need windows support.
 
Mmmm, could be a reason why SteamOS is about to be “re-released” once again. Productive? Probably not. But for anyone using their PCs for mostly gaming, it could be a thing for those unsupported devices…
Lol no. Steam OS doesn't even support Intel CPUs.
 
This isn't a real problem because it's extremely simple to install Win11 on pre-11 hardware. All you have to do is clone a drive from a PC that already has 11 on it and then boot from that drive in a pre-11 PC. There are other ways to do it, but this way will always work.
 
I like this idea, but where you can you get reasonable priced license for this?

Last I heard on Youtube, it was in the hundreds of dollars - LTSC is mainly for IoT, POS, industrial, etc.

Its a shame, however, that M$ cant just make a version for home users with this technology in it. There isnt the extreme hardware requirements for LTSC as for normal Win 11

"Those who seeketh Ltsc with nary a penny shouldst forthwith sail the high seas unto a destination yclept GassMrave."
 
This isn't a real problem because it's extremely simple to install Win11 on pre-11 hardware. All you have to do is clone a drive from a PC that already has 11 on it and then boot from that drive in a pre-11 PC. There are other ways to do it, but this way will always work.

I’n gonna assume you’re joking but if you’re not, if you’re seriously saying it’s easy if you have to open up a computer, remove its drive and then either put that drive into another computer or use a cloning dock to install an OS (or, taking the more ironic route, clone an external drive using a Linux Live session) that’s no longer gonna be as accessible as booting from a USB drive. Most people are gonna laugh at the idea of having to have 2 internal drives at a minimum to install an OS.

If you are joking, then hats off to you sir.
 
I’n gonna assume you’re joking but if you’re not, if you’re seriously saying it’s easy if you have to open up a computer, remove its drive and then either put that drive into another computer or use a cloning dock to install an OS (or, taking the more ironic route, clone an external drive using a Linux Live session) that’s no longer gonna be as accessible as booting from a USB drive. Most people are gonna laugh at the idea of having to have 2 internal drives at a minimum to install an OS.

If you are joking, then hats off to you sir.
Lol you clearly don't do IT. It would be extremely easy, and you don't have to open the computer. You just have to clone a drive with windows 11, then use the cloned drive to boot in an older computer. I have literally done this, what I am saying is true and accurate despite your lack of knowledge.

Also, I never said to have two internal drives. Please increase your reading comprehension skills before you quote me again.
 
This isn't a real problem because it's extremely simple to install Win11 on pre-11 hardware. All you have to do is clone a drive from a PC that already has 11 on it and then boot from that drive in a pre-11 PC. There are other ways to do it, but this way will always work.
Lol you clearly don't do IT. It would be extremely easy, and you don't have to open the computer. You just have to clone a drive with windows 11, then use the cloned drive to boot in an older computer. I have literally done this, what I am saying is true and accurate despite your lack of knowledge.

Also, I never said to have two internal drives. Please increase your reading comprehension skills before you quote me again.
You clearly dont "do IT" either, because if you did, then you'd know that Rufus exists, and makes a windows 11 ISO bootable on non supported PCs in a few minutes, and has been able to do so for several years. Why in the actual hell would you go cloning drives?

Also, the VAST majority of the world does not work in IT. Your average person has no idea how to clone a drive and most dont have access to an IT shop either. BestBuy isnt going to use rufus to load windows 11 on your skylake PC. They're going to tell you to buy a new one. And if MS ever decides to further screw with 11 to make it unusable on older PCs then you, the charity, now have to deal with this support nightmare. For free.

All of this could be fixed by MS not being such dicks about 11's compatibility. It's blatantly obvious that it's TPM and CPU requirements are entirely artificial.
We should donate them to red states to aid them in developing literacy.

I mean to red states that already have electricity, of course. Sorry Louisiana.
Nah, ship them to Baltimore. Then maybe they could get their graduating classes to a literacy rate above 0%.
 
You clearly dont "do IT" either, because if you did, then you'd know that Rufus exists, and makes a windows 11 ISO bootable on non supported PCs in a few minutes, and has been able to do so for several years. Why in the actual hell would you go cloning drives?

Also, the VAST majority of the world does not work in IT. Your average person has no idea how to clone a drive and most dont have access to an IT shop either. BestBuy isnt going to use rufus to load windows 11 on your skylake PC. They're going to tell you to buy a new one. And if MS ever decides to further screw with 11 to make it unusable on older PCs then you, the charity, now have to deal with this support nightmare. For free.

All of this could be fixed by MS not being such dicks about 11's compatibility. It's blatantly obvious that it's TPM and CPU requirements are entirely artificial.

Nah, ship them to Baltimore. Then maybe they could get their graduating classes to a literacy rate above 0%.
I am also aware of Rufus. That's why I said there's more than one way to do it.

But if you had a bunch of PCs to do, starting from a fresh clone would be the most efficient way to do it. I don't think people looking to recycle old hardware for poor countries (where a lot of this stuff ends up) should care about best buys policies.
 
I am also aware of Rufus. That's why I said there's more than one way to do it.

But if you had a bunch of PCs to do, starting from a fresh clone would be the most efficient way to do it. I don't think people looking to recycle old hardware for poor countries (where a lot of this stuff ends up) should care about best buys policies.
Nobody is swapping drives between PCs and cloning to do first time setup. That's been obsolete since Norton Ghost way back in the olden days.

Also, recyclers DO care about this kind of thing, being official and not violating license agreements is kind of a big deal. Charities are not going to clone drives to install windows 11 on unsupported PCs and then hand them out (which is a license violation, knowingly giving out unsupported hardware), hence the concern of windows 10 vs linux.
 
I see we're going for virtue signalling and rage bait today. Let's see if we can get all the usual comments out of the way.

"Micro$oft can shove Windows 11. I'm still running Windows 7/10 are have no plans on upgrading."
"Doesn't affect me. I've been running Linux for X years and never looked back"
"Typical corporate greed punishing the little guy"
"Windows hasn't been good since Windows XP"

I've probably missed some classics, but oh well.
Thanks for pre-typing my comment. Appreciated.
 
I see we're going for virtue signalling and rage bait today. Let's see if we can get all the usual comments out of the way.

"Micro$oft can shove Windows 11. I'm still running Windows 7/10 are have no plans on upgrading."
"Doesn't affect me. I've been running Linux for X years and never looked back"
"Typical corporate greed punishing the little guy"
"Windows hasn't been good since Windows XP"

I've probably missed some classics, but oh well.
You're right, there is a little "bait" wording in the article, but It won't change the fact that Windows nowadays, especially 10 and definitely 11, are no longer operating systems. Operating system, as the name implies, was a layer between a hardware and user that allowed to run application to perform work. Today Windows is a "service" designed to mine user data. Windows 7 was probably the best of Redmonts pieces of software, and could be updated indefinately, but was artificially killed of to make way for more and more intrusive data mining projects, as probably lacked integrated tools that would allow "telemetry". On top of that, hearing nearly every week about Win 11 blunders is simply scary to consider the move.
 
Lol you clearly don't do IT. It would be extremely easy, and you don't have to open the computer. You just have to clone a drive with windows 11, then use the cloned drive to boot in an older computer. I have literally done this, what I am saying is true and accurate despite your lack of knowledge.

Also, I never said to have two internal drives. Please increase your reading comprehension skills before you quote me again.


Lmao why are you so triggered? I’ve worked over 2 decades in IT in a range of private and public organizations as small as 10 users to over 10,000, providing support in scope ranging from local offices, national branches, and overseas satellites.

And yes, cloning a drive involves having at least two drives. A master and slave. Your method is quite involved and only makes sense if you are cloning a bunch of drives in bulk. I never even said it was impossible, so clearly you are the one who needs to work on your reading comprehension.
 
I like this idea, but where you can you get reasonable priced license for this?
There is no reasonably priced license. It's not for end consumers. Period. Everyone evangelizing LTCS assumes you have no qualms with sailor talk and eye patches.
 
I see we're going for virtue signalling and rage bait today. Let's see if we can get all the usual comments out of the way.

"Micro$oft can shove Windows 11. I'm still running Windows 7/10 are have no plans on upgrading."
"Doesn't affect me. I've been running Linux for X years and never looked back"
"Typical corporate greed punishing the little guy"
"Windows hasn't been good since Windows XP"

I've probably missed some classics, but oh well.

Doesn't affect me. I've been running Linux for X years and never looked back !!!!
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.
 
Lmao why are you so triggered? I’ve worked over 2 decades in IT in a range of private and public organizations as small as 10 users to over 10,000, providing support in scope ranging from local offices, national branches, and overseas satellites.

And yes, cloning a drive involves having at least two drives. A master and slave. Your method is quite involved and only makes sense if you are cloning a bunch of drives in bulk. I never even said it was impossible, so clearly you are the one who needs to work on your reading comprehension.
Cloning a drive is so easy, the fact that you're trying to frame it as being difficult leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. Master and slave are not terms that apply here, this isn't an IDE cable. And I literally said it would be the most effecient way to do it in bulk. You just make and image and clone it over and over.

I'm not "triggered", I'm just genuinely annoyed by stupid comments from people with an attitude and no idea what they're talking about.
 
Nobody is swapping drives between PCs and cloning to do first time setup. That's been obsolete since Norton Ghost way back in the olden days.

Also, recyclers DO care about this kind of thing, being official and not violating license agreements is kind of a big deal. Charities are not going to clone drives to install windows 11 on unsupported PCs and then hand them out (which is a license violation, knowingly giving out unsupported hardware), hence the concern of windows 10 vs linux.
The license would validate.

In mass the easiest way to setup an OS is to clone the same fresh image over and over.

The point here is that anyone can take a hard drive or cloned image from a windows 11 era PC and move it to a window 10 era PC and it will work just fine, activated and all. So if people want to use windows 11 on older hardware for recycling, they can.

And yes there are other ways to do this.
 
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